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Would You Let Your Son Play Football? I'm a (still relatively) new father, and I'm not sure. Over at Grantland, Jonah Lehrer examined the relatively unexplored area of adolescent concussions:
According to a study published last year in Neurosurgery, high school football players who suffered two or more concussions reported mental problems at much higher rates, including headaches, dizziness, and sleeping issues. The scientists describe these symptoms as "neural precursors," warning signs that something in the head has gone seriously wrong.
This research builds on previous work documenting the hazards of football for the teenage brain. In 2002, a team of neurologists surveying several hundred high school football players concluded that athletes who had suffered three or more concussions were nearly ten times more likely to exhibit multiple "abnormal" responses to head injury, including loss of consciousness and persistent amnesia. A 2004 study, meanwhile, revealed that football players with multiple concussions were 7.7 times more likely to experience a "major drop in memory performance" and that three months after a concussion they continued to experience "persistent deficits in processing complex visual stimuli." What's most disturbing, perhaps, is that these cognitive deficits have a real-world impact: When compared with similar students without a history of concussions, athletes with two or more brain injuries demonstrate statistically significant lower grade-point averages.
And as Lehrer pointed out, the likelihood of teenage football players to receive an NFL payday -- or even a full athletic scholarship -- is miniscule when considering the sheer number of high school football players in America. It's a cost-benefit analysis that has taken on a whole new meaning for me in the past 12 months.
Much more linkage below the jump:
AIRBHG Goes On Vacation, Iowa Running Backs Disappear Anyway. Poor Iowa. Has one position at any school been so routinely and randomly decimated like the Hawkeye running backs? BHGP limps through Angry Iowa Running Back Hating God's reign of terror.
Shocking! Penn State's trustees were informed of the Jerry Sandusky investigation in "May or July", according to PSU President Rodney Erickson, who noted that he was not at the meeting. Tonight is the first of Erickson's "town hall" alumni meetings (in Pittsburgh). If you're going, come back to us with a full report.
Pennsylvania State University trustees were briefed by then-President Graham B. Spanier about a grand-jury investigation of child-sex-abuse allegations against former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky months before his arrest, university president Rodney Erickson said Tuesday.Erickson said he did not attend the briefing, which he said took place in May or July while he was provost, nor was he told it had occurred until after Sandusky's November arrest blew up into a national media firestorm and Spanier resigned.
Well, yeah, they should've known about it considering that members fo the BoT testified and the grand jury investigation was public knowledge as of March, thanks to Sara Ganim at the Patriot-News. This only adds to the anti-legend of Penn State's public relations ability. FWIW, I was told that the gist of Spanier's presentation to the Board ended with a consensus of "this probably won't be a big deal." Just a bit outside.
BSD WORLDWIDE. Junny quoted by Bloomberg News regarding PSU recruiting.
Stolen Without Regret. In the recent podcast, I pilfered a line from somewhere (247?) regarding Rob Bolden's potential fresh start under a new coaching regime. Essentially, he's transferred without transferring. Same goes for a number of other players on the Penn State roster, including Eric Shrive, as Donnie Collins notes.
Compiled. MGoBlog puts together the Big Ten recruiting race, based on the four major scouting services' rankings. Nice feature. Also at MGoBlog, a direct plea for Penn State fans to not RichRod the BOB.
BOB Charisma. ComRadio gets video reaction of some PSU players following BOB's first players' meeting.
B1G 33 Rosters Announced. Skyler Mornhinweg quarterbacks the Pennsylvania squad. Other familiar names include current commits Eugene Lewis and Nyeem Wartman, former commits J.J. Denman and J.P. Holtz, and former/current target DE Noah Spence.
Free Smart Football. We all love Smart Football. It is smarter than us. However, it's been jacked by a Russian mirror site, which is decidedly not cool. A closer look at this dastardly practice. Hope that never happens to Black Shoe Diaries.
I Read The Fanshots. Seems that the Pennsylvania Attorney General's office is re-interviewing former and current coaches about the ongoing Jerry Sandusky investigation. So that's nice.
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I have 2 sons, 8 and 6
and neither of them will be playing organized football. The concussions are the biggest part, but let’s not forget the spinal injuries, the blown knees, the lifetime limps, and everything else that happens with a much greater frequency in football than in any other sport. With other sports, kids get hurt from time to time, with football you WILL get hurt badly at some point.
They do play ice hockey, which right now is a bunch of little kids swarming like a beehive around a puck. As they get older and checking is introduced I’ll have to reevaluate. My rule will probably be one major concussion and you’re done.
Part of this is also an evaluation of our natural strengths. The Mudder bloodline is not, shall we say, overflowing with athletic talent. It’s the academic side of Penn State that helps us make our way in life.
Phil Espositio has a theory
that the harder, lighter plastics used in today’s protective equipment are contributing to the increase in concussions in the NHL. I’m beginning to wonder. Is there really a higher frequency of concussions today, or are we simply better at diagnosing them?
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We're probably better at diagnosing them
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by psuphysicist on Jan 11, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
This may be scientifically naive or ignorant
But brains don’t impact helmets, brains impact skulls. Is there a technology out there to keep a brain from impacting a skull when a skull impacts with anything at all? Until they get an airbag injected between the brain & the skull, concussions will continue to occur upon skull impact with external objects.
And the science of detection, diagnosis and overall brain understanding is about to improve exponentially. The more dead athlete brains are collected, the more and better the case studies will be.
I’m not a hypochondriac, and I’m in theory mentally prepared for multiple trips to the Emergency Room, but head impact sports are gonna be a tough, tough sell for my kids to try to make on me.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
I wouldn't call you naive, jtot
I have a slew of other words to use, but naive isn’t one of them towards the top of the list. :)
I should start by saying that I’m just as scientifically naive/ignorant as you, and I’m taking my cues from different places as I put this together. Yes, it is the brain rattling around in the skull that’s the issue, but the helmets/protection can play a role. Better padding can help reduce the amount of sudden movement and spread the energy over a greater area to reduce the force of the impact. In simplest terms, you are less likely to get a concussion letting your head fall into a pillow than a slab of concrete. NASCAR has done some of this, to an effect, by creating the “safer barriers” at the racetracks. Accidents still happen, and can still cause injuries, but the safer barriers help absorb and reduce the impact felt by the driver.
So, yes, concussions will still happen – heck, a hard enough sneeze can give a person whiplash. But the question now becomes, are there ways we can reduce the chances (and ultimately, the number) of players sustaining concussions?
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That's much more measured and modern, so thanks
But I can’t wait to have beers and hear some of these other names you’ve got ;)
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
Steer them to the mat, Jtot!
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Jan 11, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY!
Cost of gear is sooo much cheaper than other sports. Not like you can’t still get a concussion getting slammed to the mat, but the frequency is gonna be a shitload less.
Now all I need is for continued tech advancements in the creation of headgear. My wrestling lobby took a serious hit last March when wifey got a look at Sanderson’s cauliflower ears.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
The "safer barrier" concept from auto racing
takes me back to Esposito — and make no mistake, Honoured Member or not, Espo comes off as a crackpot more often than not. Nonetheless, might we attenuate the rigidity of the plastics (shoulder, elbow, etc. pads) by padding the outside of the pads? It seems to me a similar dynamic at surface.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Or brain-injectable air bags!
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
Who said there aren't any more JFK style visionaries?
I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of injecting an airbag in a young athlete’s brain and extracting it safely.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Jan 11, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh shit!
Forgot all about the extraction after deflation.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
That might be possible
Animals like longhorn sheep have that. That’s why they can ram each other like that while fighting for the females.
I write about medical devices for a living. I’m not an expert but sticking something in that space seems possible. It might not be a good idea and I’m not sure how it would be “triggered” but of they can stick platinum coils into brain aneurysms, I don’t see why a thin balloon in that brain-skull space (forget its name) would be impossible.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 12:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This comment has me terrifically excited
On many levels.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
The two of you
are making the post-human turn.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Pillow Helmets?
Will take care of the head to head hits, since hitting someone with a pillow is unlikely to make much effect.
Maybe Oregon can put some wings on their pillows.
There are ways to reduce the likelihood of concussions
wearing a properly fitted mouthpiece is one. Also, helmet to helmet (or head to head) contact isn’t the biggest factor in concussions, its more the whiplash motion you get from the hit. And I believe contact to the sides of the head is much more likely to result in a concussion than head on collisions. So in theory, there are ways they can work on protective equipment to decrease the chances of getting a concussion, however, as you’ve stated, there’s no way to completely eliminate them.
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I think it's harder to comment on the former
because the latter is true. The NHL (as well as other sports) are doing a better job of diagnosing concussions, as well as forcing teams/players to take proper action to fully clear players before sending them back into play. This greater focus on concussions has meant an increase in the number of concussions reported, but that doesn’t mean that there is a higher frequency of concussions.
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I think part of it also..
Is that athletes today are bigger, stronger, faster than athletes were 20, 30, 40 years ago… Google search the sizes of offensive lineman in the NFL over the last few decades and see the massive differences. That alone could be a big factor… and dare I mention that a majority of NFL players are most likely on steroids which is making those athletes much larger and faster than nature intended which could also be a factor.. (and is a huge factor in why there are so many devastating injuries to tendons/ligaments/bones/etc. these days)
by Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) on Jan 11, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I played from 3rd grade through my senior year of high school, and I wouldn't trade that experience for anything.
BUT… I was lucky in that my only major injury from football was a broken forearm in 8th grade. I did suffer what at the time seemed like a minor injury to my right shoulder during my junior year (about 22 years ago now). Didn’t miss any playing time because of it. But ever since then, my shoulder makes grinding, popping sounds when I move it in a certain way, and while it’s never been particularly painful (although it occasionally has its days), it sometimes feels like it’s just going to give out on me someday in the near future. I have a daughter and no sons, but if I did have a son, I’m not sure I’d want him to play football because of stuff like this. And I only played through high school. I can only imagine how beat up college and NFL players must be later in life.
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
I would bet that if you got an MRI
you have at least a partial rotator cuff tear
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Yeah, I should get it checked out.
After years of holding steady, it seemd to have gotten worse over the last few months.
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
Do you have any nagging injuries or pains from your playing days?
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
not really
I was pretty lucky in the grand scheme of things. One fairly minor knee surgery.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Youth football
I played 2nd through 4th grades. Tackling was taught properly there. I’d rather my son play when he’s young and the impacts aren’t too hard and learn the right way. It is up to him of course.
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I think the data coming out just from trench studies
Is gonna make the ‘proper tackling technique’ angle moo. Linemen butt heads with each other 50+ times a game—as a matter of proper technique.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
I cannot remember where I read this but there was a article talking about how many of the brain issues arising in retired NFL players are appearing in players who played on the line.
Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".
Yeah, I think I'm remembering a study I saw on Real Sports
Being done at UNC. They had little sensors in the helmets that were measuring the number & location of brain-to-skull impacts during practice. Practice? We talkin bout practice? Yeah, the dudes were in shorts, but had helmets and the linemen were popping up from their stances and engaging at a whistleblow. They stopped 1-3 seconds after each whistle and re-lined up, but their helmets were butting the opposing lineman each time.
And science dude was pointing at a screen on the sideline that had an image of a helmet and tons of little lights lighting up where the impacts were. It was only one study and my objective self tells me not to believe everything I see, but it made a strong impression on me.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
That may have been it but I have heard it from more than one place.
A lot of the attention is put on the big hits but studies seem to be showing that it is the repetitive hits that cause more damage.
Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".
I played when I was 10-11
Never got hurt. The key? Being a pussy. I has two pick 6’s, but if you think I’d ever stick my head in to tackle someone, you’re wrong. In a related story, I bet Asante samuel has 0 concussions.
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by OctaShields on Jan 11, 2012 6:02 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 5 recs
Prime Time.
Number 21 on your scorecard.
Last in your heart.
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by SubLime on Jan 11, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The marketing propaganda for that new safety mission campaign would be hilarious

jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
Re: Concussions
Is the sheer number of HS football players in America today even close to what it once was? With competing fall sports such as, fall baseball, fall soccer, cross country, club and association leagues for more traditional winter sports, like AAU basketball etc, you could argue that there are already less kids playing football than 10 years ago. Yet the instances of concussions have increased. Granted, a lot of that may be attributed to head injury research, but still. That suggests that there’s a hell of a lot of people that sustained multiple concussions 15+ years ago. Did we see a real-world impact as a result of those concussions?
I’m not trying to discount the research. I coach my son’s middle school team, and we recently began offering IMPACT testing to all players to attain a baseline prior to the season. However, this reminds me of when I played about 20 years ago. At that time, the biggest fear was paralysis. Because of high profile cases like Chuckie Mullins and Mike Utley, you’d think, from the media reports, that thousands of kids had been paralyzed. But I wonder if the number was any greater than in any other year.
Did we see a real-world impact as a result of those concussions?
Yes, we do see the real-world impact.
Many of these kids went on to work at ESPN.
by confirmy on Jan 11, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Oh, and now Tim Curley apparently has lung cancer too.
Is there an asbestos problem somewhere?
Seriously.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Thought the same thing, actually.
I don’t know where Curley’s office actually is. Someone can help with that.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 11, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
RADON
State College is located in a limestone valley if I’m correct. Limestone is porous allowing Radon gas to travel up easily. Exposed limestone and excavation hitting bedrock will allow Radon to travel up into buildings.
My mother died of lung cancer and did not smoke in her lifetime, but she lived in a lime stone house on top of a limestone base in central/western PA, just like State College.
Again, a guess.
by F G Dreadnought on Jan 11, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
A very educated
and reasonable guess. Most likely the cause.
Stupid question
Did Joe smoke? Don’t recall seeing images of him with cigarettes. Not to say you can’t get lung cancer otherwise.
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Something tells me Sue would not allow smoking
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Joe never smoked.
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by DerryPharmer on Jan 11, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sue smoked though, right?
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Yes....
I once smoked with her many moons ago, but she’s not a smoker anymore.
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by DerryPharmer on Jan 11, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
regular cigs or the funny ones?
j/k, I know Sue would not break the law, except to maybe vandalize the Lion Shrine one time
Now you, Derry, I think you are a rebel.
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I imagine Sue using one of those old-timey cigarette holders.
Like the kind FDR used..
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
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May no act.................
by SweepTheLeg on Jan 11, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I have a 4 month old daughter at home...
and cheerleading scares me more than if I had a son who wanted to play football. Seriously… think about some cheerleaders you knew in high school. Would you trust them to not get distracted by something shiny and drop you? Not to mention, having a swimming pool, or later on, worrying about her driving. At least there are some real safeguards in football and usually a trained medical person around.
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Also, on ESPN's Outside The Lines today, Brandon Short apparently claimed...
….that Sandusky was in Spanier’s Beaver Stadium box for the Illinois game. So expect a solid 48 hours of outrage for that.
I would love to see his PPT that concluded this would not be a big deal
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Do we know if he had tickets to that box?
There are several other boxes on that level — Alumni Association, NLC, and a few smaller ones. Most of the others keep their doors closed, but the double-doors on both ends into the President’s box are generally wide open. Once you are up on that level you could walk right in. The gatekeeper is before the elevators in the ground floor entrance. The prez’s box is also huge – tons of standing room to grab food from the buffet, nosh, mingle and watch the game on TV. In theory you could go the entire game without ever seeing Spanier. However, you would see a whole contingent of BoT members that are there virtually every game.
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This
In theory you could go the entire game without ever seeing Spanier.
That was always my approach when I was upstairs, but that usually had more to do with how many beers I had pre-game.
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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 11, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I did the "traveling trumpets" gig with the blue band almost every home game my last two years.
We had a group go up into the luxury boxes every game, and we’d always hit up the president’s box because Spanier would always let us eat a little bit from the buffet. I swear, Spanier would jostle his way to the front of the crowd every time, then when it was over he disappeared and we couldn’t find him again.
....And I wonder if.....
The AG office will be interviewing Spanier?
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by DerryPharmer on Jan 11, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Spanier sure sold this institution down the river
I can’t get my arms around what he must have been thinking? He knew about the 2002 investigation, even if it had been “minimized.” So, that was smoke. Then he made a presentation to the BOT, saying “no big deal” in response to the March story, which at that point was fire. And he still invited the guy to hang out with him?
This has to be the worst exercise in risk management I’ve ever seen by an institutional head.
This. So much this.
I noted in another thread earlier today; my suspicion is that the specific reason (not just the “shit hit the fan while you were on watch, so you’ve gotta go” reason) Spanier got canned is because it was his job to sound the alarm that this thing was about to hit PSU like a Mac truck and to have a response prepared. Clearly, the BOT was not concerned enough to have a fully developed response to ready implement as soon as the charges were released.
I would absolutely LOVE to see the deck of the presentation that he gave to the BOT that resulted with them feeling that this was going to be a bump in the road.
by SkellerDweller06 on Jan 11, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
This is also potentially a game changer in terms of how we can reasonably view the BOT
Can you imagine if you’re sitting at your day job (CEO, etc.) as one of our BOT members and you see CNN come up on the monitor in your reception area saying that Curley and Schultz were indicted of perjury charges?? They probably all shit their pants in unison, from their offices across the country. Spanier had just told them that this thing was not great, but manageable and to relax.
No wonder they went off like a bunch of hair brained morons, with no cohesive message. The guy who should have been responsible for providing the cohesion was Spanier, and he completely shit the bed on this.
by SkellerDweller06 on Jan 11, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, but it's also their job to be more insightful.
Not just take the word of the president of the organization. Prod him. Ask him difficult questions. What’s our real exposure? Is there potential for civil litigation? What has Sandusky’s status with the university been since his retirement? What does he have access to? Who is responsible for policing his behavior? Do we have any record of any investigations into his conduct? What were the outcomes of those investigations? How many of our people testified before the grand jury? Were they prepped and represented by our counsel? What were they asked? What did they say? Were there any inconsistencies?
In short, Jerry Sandusky is facing possible indictment over some large scale issues – why exactly wouldn’t this be a big deal? I’m just an alum, so I’m not tasked with worrying about this. Trustees are, and if they had any common sense, they would’ve asked every single one of those questions and about a dozen more.
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by Adam Collyer on Jan 11, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with you there
for that matter, why wouldn’t they have called in Curley and Schultz for a chat as well? My guess is that they wanted to play ostrich.
Well said
The fact is that board members for most things – universities and companies – phone it in more than they should.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 12:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Whatever the org structure, the role of ‘oversight’ is often inherently hands-off. That puts a lot of pressure on the person’s Judgment—when & when not to act.
This is one of the reasons good cops are so valuable to our society.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
You will never know.....
unless he decides to tell, how Joe and Family feels/felt about Graham F. Spanier.
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by DerryPharmer on Jan 11, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Somehow
the media will spin this into Joe letting Sandusky attend the game.
Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".
"They" are.....
working on it as we write.
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by DerryPharmer on Jan 11, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
It was his last game, after all. The milestone.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 11, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I played football from when I was in third grade through high school.
Took a few shots now and again, but in all honesty I think the lessons I learned from playing the game far outweigh the risks (we did have a guy lose a spleen during a playoff game…). I’m a very strong proponent of letting boys play football. Nobody should be forced to play of course, but if they want to they should be allowed.
by NuclearLion on Jan 11, 2012 3:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
They should be allowed by whom?
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
by their parents/guardians
if they want to.
i’m a little confused by the question…who else would have authority to let them?
That answers me
But yeah, I was confused by your statement as well: ‘they should be allowed.’ Wasn’t sure if you had in mind people or organizations that might try to prevent boys from playing football, such as brain scientists, medical doctors, school districts, legislators and wondered if parents might be included in that group.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
ah i see
look, i understand the controversy associated with the game with respect to concussions. I probably got a couple myself to be honest, and I was playing high school ball in central PA. My argument is that the game’s contribution to our society’s culture and to the development of young men as a whole outweighs the risk.
Now, if somebody’s brother got his clock cleaned and now suffers seizures is opposed, I can understand that. But if my son (when I get to that time in my life) wants to play ball, I’ll support it.
Hopefully some of the new technology coming out will help mitigate the risk a little bit.
by NuclearLion on Jan 11, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I think we're all hoping for the new technology
Both camps in the ongoing debate. I’m not necessarily rooting for the tech science to reveal that no tech improvements to helmets are going to help prevent, although I’m guessing that way.
But it’s nice to you have a good understanding and your point about the other rewards to our society of our lads playing football outweighing risks to brains is an interesting one.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
yeah, i mean i think it's a relevant point
Football as we know it is an aspect of our culture that’s pretty unique to this country. it’d be a real shame to lose that part of our identity.
also, i learned a ton about life by getting knocked around from time to time. in my mind physical and mental toughness are very intertwined (not to be macho about it or anything). i’m sure there are other ways to get that toughness/resilience, but i count those lessons among the most obvious in my own life.
by NuclearLion on Jan 11, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, you actually got playing time?
;-)
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by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 11, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
shut up
i lettered all three years i was on varsity.
don’t you have poutine to eat? :-p
Yeah
I also have a job to do. Obviously, given that I’m on this board, that ain’t going so well either.
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Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 11, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
There’re too many emoticons in this sub-thread
by Truck O'Saurus on Jan 11, 2012 11:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Remember what Reggie Dunlop forecast
as the fate of young men shielded from sports — “before you can say Jack Robinson.”
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Didn't that happen to Chris Simms a few years ago?
by Chris Grovich on Jan 11, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Simms got hit really hard
most likely in the spleen area.
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my cousin was injured in that area and it saved his life
when he went to the hospital they found out he only had one kidney!
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I understand getting hit hard
and having to have it removed after. Is that what it’s referring to? If so I was taking it way to literally, thinking he actually lost his spleen DURING the game. That’s where I was confused how that happened, with gruesome visions of stomach puncturing wounds on a football field in my head.
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by Cari Greene on Jan 12, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I would guess thats what he meant
I think Simms had surgery a couple days afterwards because he was getting sick from the ruptured spleen. That would be one hell of a hit to completely obliterate an internal organ on impact.
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yeah that's what happened
i think he got hit and had to go to the hospital, where they determined his spleen was ruptured. i think i remember him walking off the field.
This doesn't sound like a real story.
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by Truck O'Saurus on Jan 12, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
i'm confused
You don’t believe it’s a story worth sharing, or you don’t believe that it actually happened? Because, despite the fact that it occurred over 10 years ago, I’m positive that one of our starting d-linemen got his spleen ruptured during the first playoff game. he ended up missing the subsequent game, which we lost.
The specifics unfortunately I can’t recall. You could google “1999 danville ironmen” if you wanted I guess. but I doubt many local newspapers had a strong online presence back then.
Danville?
I should’ve guessed.
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by Truck O'Saurus on Jan 12, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
dude
You guys used to beat the shit out of us post-99, when we lost Coach Carm.
I have visions of Nate Schicatano screaming for blood on a kickoff after we were already losing by 40. It was pretty brutal.
I see we've traumatized you
Poor little ironman.
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by Truck O'Saurus on Jan 12, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
he just got rocked
it was weird because he was a d-tackle. that was my sophomore year so i didn’t get a whole lot of playing time, but that game was a bruiser from what i remember.
Daaamnn, Junny gone and went Big Time
Those still intending to join the Nittany Lions make up a class that doesn’t address the team’s needs, most notably at running back and defensive back, according to Jeff Junstrom, a Penn State graduate and editor of BlackShoeDiaries.com, a blog on the athletic program. Junstrom said in an e-mail that the school targeted 21-24 open spots before the season, and currently has 14 verbal commitments.
"Two months ago to the day, I’d say we were on pace for one of the best classes in some time," he said. "One scandal, two months and three (so far) decommitments later, we’re on the verge of total collapse."
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
Junny tells it like it is....too bad for us anyways.
Anyone who thinks that the new hire, no matter who he was, was just going to step into a smooth running machine and not a pile of crap, is way too optimistic. And I have gotten on the BOB wagon because he deserves a chance. Now if 4 years from now, he hasn’t recruited and Bolden is the QBs Coach, then I’ll have to get more upset than I am now….and yes, I realize this job is NOT gonna be easy.
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by DerryPharmer on Jan 11, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
What do you think of Brian Cook's advice?
To not look at BOB as a real coach at all, only as interim fodder?
Do not look on Bill O’Brien as a head coach. Bill O’Brien is pickled ginger. Like the snake at the base of the tree that holds up the world, you have just finished consuming the largest piece of nigiri ever made. It was made of yourself. There’s more, but for the full experience you must spend the next three to five years cleansing and preparing your palate.
Do not regard Bill O’Brien as a person who can succeed or fail. He is doomed. You will put him in your mouth and gnaw on him and once you swallow him and dissolve him in your stomach acids you can get on with things. Bill O’Brien is football pickled Jesus ginger. He will die for your sins… someone’s, anyway.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
Too late.....
Marcellus Shale already fracked it.
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by DerryPharmer on Jan 11, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
In my humble, girlish opinion (something tells me Brian would not approve of girls who like football)
The person who followed Joe was doomed anyway. Scandal or not. You don’t want to be the person who follows the legend. You can’t win.
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Gary Moeller did ok following Bo Schembechler
At least until he got arrested three sheets to the wind and freaked out at the police
Hmm, I see your point.
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
The dirty...
little secret is that Bo Schembechler wasn’t that good of a coach. I’d take Carr over him any day.
Sigh.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 11, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Whether or not he was a good coach is debatable
I think he would qualify for legend status though.
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
agreed....
if winning every other game against OSU and losing Rose Bowls makes you a legend.
Sigh.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 11, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Haha burn
Don’t most UM fans regard him as a legend?
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
Yes, but that's because
MICHIGAN IS FOOTBALL
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 11, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
yes...
his personality is legendary. His coaching abilities? not so much.
Sigh.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 11, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
Schembechler is one of the most overrated coaches of all time.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Jan 12, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
For the record, the "total collapse" referred to the Class of '12, not the PSU football team.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 11, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I figured
That’s how I read it anyway, but look at this way. Now if anybody reads it the other way you can officially claim you’ve been ‘taken out of context.’
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
/dusts shoulder off
//forgets you all
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 11, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody cares if you're taken out of context since
we all now live within the context of no context.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
SUBLIME SAID NOBODY CARES IF YOU'RE TAKEN!
So heartless.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
I'm puzzled..
If there is no context, then how can there be context?
/cracks open another
Joseph V. Paterno has left an impression on my soul that wil never, EVER go away.
Because George W.S. Trow said so.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
But he's dead
so there’s no context.
Joseph V. Paterno has left an impression on my soul that wil never, EVER go away.
Exactly the sort of clear-headed thinking we need more of around BSD.
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Did that qualify
as both Reasonable Construction and Entertainment?
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
(burp)
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Jan 11, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I won't be encouraging...
my 7 and 1/2 month old son to play organized football. I will see where the science is at in a couple of years and if he wants to play, I will cross that bridge then.
Sigh.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 11, 2012 4:10 PM EST reply actions
I've heard people extoll
putting kids in flag football when they are younger, then letting them jump to full contact when they get older. Might be a way to let a kid play and have some fun without all the risk.
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I loved flag football...
intramurals in high school. I’ve seen younger kids playing it on an organized basis in my town. That would be an option.
Sigh.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 11, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Flag football
I think flag football has been great for my sons (7 & 9). They get to play football, but the level of contact and risk of injury is similar to soccer.
And, when they’ve had good coaches, I think they’re getting the benefits that NuclearLion mentioned above.
I just hope it is not a gateway drug to full contact.
I played defense in soccer
And stayed in to block a shot from the 18 in a playoff game. I was hoping to block it with my stomach or chest, but it caught me clean in the temple. It went about 40 feet straight up and came down within 3 yards of me,
Knocked me silly, I was chasing the ball out of position for a good 5-6 minutes til I burned out. Definitely concussed, though “mild”, as far as brain bruises can be mild.
That said, at pre HS levels when kids aren’t blasting shots very hard, I’d agree the chances of concussion are much lower. Probably not as low as flag football though, though I suppose both have small chances of full-speed collision. And of course you dont get your ankles broken in flag football (though if any HS or lower level soccer refs are letting kids slidetackle hard or studs up, they should be flayed alive).
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 11, 2012 6:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
When I think of
all those head shots in the wall, and hammering (heading) the ball both towards (younger) and away from (older) the goal, I have to wonder about long term drain bamage…not to mention all those wonderful opportunities to head the soggy/heavy ball during rainy games. I remember a doctor examining my feet/ankles/shins and asking what my lower extremeties ever did to me that led me to use them as a club, and did I “actually expect them to be operational in later life?”
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George Godsey, currently of New England QB coach fame, formerly of the single greatest player profile pic ever in the history of collegiate sports.
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His mouth seems to be off-center
In the Patriot’s bio.
Also, his thinning hair took care of an atrocious haircut.
Now that I’ve made snap judgements based off his appearance in two profile pictures, how does this hire make you all feel? Do you all think he is a “good” coach?
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
He also has a prominent chin
But, of course, can’t compete with BOB
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
His GaTech profile pic

"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
Two offensive coaches from one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL?
I guess that’s OK with me.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 11, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Junny.....
if we don’t have the personnel (aka, recruits) to man the O, you might as well have 10 OCs, because it just doesn’t matter.
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by DerryPharmer on Jan 11, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
This year? Maybe. But that's debateable.
Look longterm, though. Get a couple of classes in coupled with some surprise success and we could be humming along in no time. Or it could all be a major flop. Who really knows. All I know is this whole process has been strangely exciting to follow.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 11, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Right
I agree on the surface. But he’s only been there 11 months. I wouldn’t read too much into his involvement w/ Pats.
More information from his Tech bio:
Graduated in May of 2001 with his bachelor’s degree in Industrial and Systems Engineering and played his final season while enrolled in graduate school, pursuing a master’s degree in Industrial and Systems Engineering with a concentration in manufacturing and logistics . . . Recipient of a postgraduate scholarship award from NACDA.
Seems like a bright guy- let’s just hope he can communicate on our QBs’ levels.
Brief Bio:
After he played QB at GaTech (2nd team All ACC), he played in Arena league. Then went to UCF (w/ O’Leary) where he started as a GA in 2004. For 2005-2008, he was QB Coach and then took over the RB position in 2009.
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
industrial engineering's not really engineering...
that is all.
Per Wiki
“Industrial engineering is a branch of engineering dealing with the optimization of complex processes or systems. It is concerned with the development, improvement, implementation and evaluation of integrated systems of people, money, knowledge, information, equipment, energy, materials, analysis and synthesis, as well as the mathematical, physical and social sciences together with the principles and methods of engineering design to specify, predict, and evaluate the results to be obtained from such systems or processes. Its underlying concepts overlap considerably with certain business-oriented disciplines such as operations management, but the engineering side tends to emphasize extensive mathematical proficiency and usage of quantitative methods.”
Whatever that is sounds pretty demanding. Whether or not it’s ‘engineering,’ I don’t care. I do care that he succeeded academically at one of our nation’s premier academic institutions while playing QB well.
An intelligent guy who has played QB before, coached QBs at both the collegiate and professional level seems like a good hire to me.
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
lol just a joke
when i was in engineering school we used to refer to industrial engineering as “imaginary engineering”.
compared with your average football coach (even at elite levels) that is quite impressive. he must be quite dedicated to the game to forgo a relatively stable career for the transient nature of the football assistant coach. passion is a good sign.
Ahh
I see. I obviously know nothing about engineering.
On a side note, thanks for the bridges. I find them useful. Same goes for electricity.
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by Cream on Jan 11, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
not a problem
generally we do our best :-)
I wanted to be an imagineer
but apparenly Penn State doesnt offer that major.
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by letsgopsu on Jan 11, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tough major and a tough position,
but he’s no Craig Krenzel.
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So is that an erroneous description of industrial engineering?
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
Some industrial engineer probably embellished heavily.
The original article was a photo of a chimp throwing poop and a gigantic banner featuring “A Personal Appeal From Jimbo Wales.”
I'm the XBOX to your Atari.
i don't think it's necessarily "erroneous" per se
but “embellished” may be a good word.
but you can do that with any career field.
Out of curiosity now
What does an industrial engineer do?
Side note, if they do throw their own feces around, it sounds like the BoT members must all have backgrounds in industrial engineering then.
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
lol now i'm in trouble
i believe at least part of it is being trained to optimize things like manufacturing processes and such. there’s a strong overlap in the “soft” side of engineering development (marketing, et cetera). one of my buddies is an IE and I’m not real clear on what he does exactly. he was working for a consulting company that marketed (i think) organization software to the health industry.
as a rule i don’t think they’re very heavy on the math/science side (hence the comment about being “imaginary”). but i will say that most non-IEs I knew at PSU looked down upon them.
that’s the best i got i’m afraid.
Thanks for the knowledge
I will know approach IEs with an appropriate air of condescension
:)
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
When you said "imaginary" I thought you meant they hung out with Cauchy
I guess I totally misinterpreted that
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by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 11, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
i doubt most IEs are familiar with the complex plane
(damn it, there I go again…)
IEs are required to go as high
as differential equations to graduate. No, it’s not math-heavy as a profession, though.
Any line you’ve ever stood in was designed by an IE. Queuing theory is a big part of it. This extends to manufacturing, but there’s way more to it than that. IEs are starting to break into the healthcare industry. How many of you have ever waited way too long to be seen in the emergency room? Hershey Medical center has one of the best, most efficient ER’s in the country because of heavy cooperation with the IE department.
IEs solve the complex webs of delivery routes like you’ll see in nationwide companies like UPS, Fedex, DHL. IEs can have a hand in handling heavy air traffic at airports. I could write pages and pages of what IEs do.
In fact, Penn State invented Industrial Engineering.
We were the very first university to have an accredited program, and many prominent figures in getting the IE field started at least had ties to PSU.
Seems to me
like it belongs under operations management in the business school, not the engineering school. We spent a lot of time on queuing in my MBA program.
I take offense to this
as a graduate of the PSU IME program.
Furthermore, I respect Godsey a lot more knowing he went to GT. The current head of the whole IE department at PSU was poached from GT, and he’s awesome!
it was meant to be TIC
i know PSU has one of the best programs in the country. I’m also a Penn State engineer; maybe it was heartless and insensitive, but my other engineering buddies and I occasionally pass the time by taking potshots at IEs.
I apologize if you are offended.
Lol
my response was tongue-in-cheek too.
The fact of the matter is that IEs do a lot of important work. Just because we don’t need to write a mathematical proof to do so doesn’t diminish that.
truth!
and, after all, it’s a nice badge of honor for the college of engineering to be able to point to that program in particular when the rankings come out.
my major, unfortunately, hasn’t been so lucky…
Bet you wish you were an IE now, eh?
by Truck O'Saurus on Jan 11, 2012 11:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I wish that the IE department
would offer some kind of five year program, whether it be the double mechanical-nuclear major or the bachelors/masters combination. They could easily do it with operations research, or the MMM masters.
Pretty much ensures that BOB will be HC/OC.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 11, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent!!!
Only one person will be blamed for a shoddy game plan now instead of 2. Less paperwork for us bloggers.
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by DerryPharmer on Jan 11, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
he looks like he is wearing a space suit
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I suffered concussions.....
I am sure in my FB playing day as did my son….would I encourage my grandson to play FB? Would it be better to play soccer and get possibly multiple head shockers a game? It’s a legitimate question that requires thought.
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Yeah, we're gonna deal with it directly in my house
Wifey and I are both against letting them play football, but she is a huge hockey fan and the ice rink a mile from our house lets them get on skates at age 3. And I get that they don’t need to be open to a cross-check for the ice to give their little brains a concussion with their first fall, so I’m not sure how that all is gonna go.
Otherwise, I’m hoping for the scientific research (which I expect will be considerably damning to a shitload of these sports) to get here fast enough to help our decision making.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
Make sure you buy a real hockey helmet
I see kids all the time at the rink wearing their bicycle helmets and I think WTF? And clearly that’s something only a mother would do, safety issues aside, no dad would ever sign off on that.
In other words,
don’t be like Wayne on this point.
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I think I'd encourage my son(s) to kick or punt
Less dangerous and you can still earn that free ride to school!
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 11, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
but the QB's get the cheerleaders
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Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
Next time I'm at my parents' house
I’m scouring the joint for the 1992 Times-Leader all-star photo.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 11, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
I have a friend who works there, want me to ask?
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Would you all encourage your daughter(s) to kick or punt?
"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."
Not if they wanted to go to Colorado
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by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 11, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"katy was a girl"
“not only was she a girl, she was terrible”…
wonder what happened to him?
Probably hanging out with Tim Curley and Gary Schultz
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by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 11, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
He's been trying to get back into coaching ever since.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 11, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
ha! good luck, buddy.
have a hard time believing he’d find somebody to hire him with that priceless bit of press conference footage.
I had this same discussion with my brother and friend when I was home over Christmas
We were unanimous that we did not want our kids playing football. I remember a few years back a Penn football player committed suicide. The autopsy showed definite brain damage similar to that seen in people with concussions, even though he never had a concussion that was recognized. The implication was that a number of small hits to the head can build up over time and mimic the damage done by one big hit.
It is grim, but every time I see a bad injury on the football field, I tell my wife that it is a matter of time until someone dies during play. Frankly, I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet.
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Dont have kids, but if I did I might let them play football
my family has notoriously hard heads though.
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The existence of helmets are a part of the problem.
When you wear a helmet, you feel like that then allows you to go out and use your head as a part of the tackling motion, or to put your head in harm’s way with impunity. Helmets should NOT be viewed in this way; they should be viewed as something you wear IN CASE your head gets hit. But that isn’t something that will jive with our subconscious. Wear a helmet, take more risks.
OR, you could get rid of helmets altogether. Take away that false sense of security, and I guarantee you won’t see people spearing the ball carrier head-first. Granted, you’d have to remove the hard plastic off the other padding. Rugby isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, and I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt the long-term future of the NFL if you went with soft pads and no helmets.
This is a statement on the human condition.
Humans have a certain amount of risk in their lives that they’re willing to have. The more risky a situation, the more caution we’re going to take, this is obvious. But the curious part is that the opposite is true as well. The safer a situation we’re in, the more risks we’re willing to take. Notice how the soccer moms in their giant luxury SUVs/minivans are so much more aggressive than motorcyclists.
Exactly.
That’s why I’m saying you should cut the safety net that is helmets and hard pads. I play rugby, and I know that makes me biased, but I always feel safer playing rugby than I ever felt playing football. Dangerous tackles are essentially outlawed in the rules— if you don’t wrap up to bring the carrier to the ground, it’s illegal. It’s that simple. You HAVE to make a safe form tackle if you don’t want to get whistled.
I'm surprised by the number
of parents on here not allowing their sons to play football (or hockey, or any other contact sport). I have nothing wrong with that and respect that decision.
It just has never crossed my mind, nor anyone in my families mind ever. We are/were all athletes and all had our bumps and bruises (including concussions) but we feel our experiences in athletics, specifially football and hockey made us who we are. Friendships were born, lessons were learned, etc…
Would I have a different opinion if a family member was paralyzed from football…Maybe, but I believe in allowing other people to express themselves and have free choices to do what they want to do (without crossing the line of legality and what not). Its a risk you have to take.
We all take risks everyday. Do some people not drive/fly for fear of an accident? Yes. Do some people think those people are crazy? Yes, but its their choice.
We each have our own views on how we should raise our kids and we are both right, to ourselves. I am fairly young at 25, but grew up with a lot of freedom from my parents to allow me play whatever sports I wanted, even if it was encouraged by my father. If I did not want to play, I could’ve easily stopped, if I wanted to play, I could’ve easily played any sport without my parents telling me no. Now that doesnt mean they still were not looking out for my safety, as they would not allow me to do a lot of dangerous things as a child.
Even though I am not a parent yet, in the end, we all want whats best for our family and their future. If that means risking by playing football, then so be it. If that means risking by not playing football, then so be it.
It all comes down to “what is best for my son/daughter’s future?” And that is the choice of both the son/daughter/and their respective guardians to choose.
To be clear
it’s only football for me because it’s head and shoulders worse than any other team sport. Hockey is fine, soccer is fine, baseball is fine, basketball is fine. All carry risks, but the percentages are so much lower.
Gotcha
but being an avid fan of both sports and assisting coaching both sports in HS level, the concussions in hockey tend to be worse. Though they might be rarer, IF it does happen, they tend to be worse. I would guess the speed and impact from that speed play a big role in that (along with the equipment).
I also want to add, the concussions rules are extremely strict nowadays. Heck, if a kid has a headache (just a normal headache) he has to sit out and take concussion tests before playing again.
Football isn't safe
Neither is most anything that’s fun.
- drinking grain alcohol
- black market fireworks
- mistresses
- back alley games of craps
Hey, live a little bit! Let the kids play!
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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 11, 2012 9:30 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Or Bungee jumping
http://www.mcall.com/videogallery/67235592/News/Bungee-jumper-plummets-into-Zimbabwe-river
If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.
Headed to New Orleans tomorrow.
I’ll report back on this.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 11, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
have fun
and remember, Hand Grenade >>> Hurricane
a bunch of my friends will be in town for an event called PardiGras (mostly Texas Parrothead Club people). They will be really drunk and lots of fun.
"There are too many Irish guys on this team"
Joesph Vincent Paterno
April, 2010
Put this way
I feel like the world’s biggest square.
It is funny, tho, to see and think about everybody’s personal thresholds for different types of risks. Not sure what it says about me that I’m far more fine with my son addling his brain eating some miso soup while on LSD than by banging it inside a helmet against some other poor saps head.
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Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
Judging from parents reactions in this thread an idea popped into mine (hooray, no brain damage!)
it seems prior to this swell of concern for concussions, lots of kids were playing full contact football from the time they were little kids all the way through to high school, which in turn resulted in more physically and technically prepared fooball players to move on to the college game. Now that parents seem much more reluctant to let their kids play contact sports and at least holding off until they’re older, will we see the pendulum swing the other way to where kids coming out of highschool are less experienced and are just not physically and mentally prepared enough to come in and start on the college level? Therefor, incoming recruits are much more likely to require more development from coaches, and longer stays in college, to be able to play at a high level, which then would separate the real coaches and molders of men from those who are simply x’s and o’s gameplanner types. Curious to see if that is the case down the road as a result of these concerns.
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Gladiator.
Unless our society has a rather large seismic shift over some period of time in the near future, we will continue to marvel at great athletic feats. Those feats may include running a 9 second 100 like Usain Bolt, dunking like Blake Griffin or Lebron, and ripping off an 80 yarder like Thomas for the Broncos. And yes, flying through the air and concussing a QB with the speed and athleticism of a sprinter ala Harrison is an athletic feat. So is knocking someone out in the octagon. So is riding a thoroughbred in the Kentucky Derby at the risk of fall and paralysis. So is going up for an amazing header in soccer. There will always be glory seekers willing to do these things….as long as we continue to watch.
I will now take off my profound statement hat and go back to being a porridge slurping ex lineman with alzheimers….sad, and a joke in poor taste maybe, but a possibility, and I wouldn’t change a thing.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
I wish my nephew would play baseball
It’s safer and the inherent cruelity of a game where failing most of the time is the norm will train him for The Game of Life.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions

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