BoT issues new statement regarding Paterno
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Wow.
First person who comes up with a rational reason not to have said that two months ago gets a gold star.
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by jesse. on Jan 12, 2012 5:39 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Oh... oh... let me try.
Dismissing JoPa because they believed he wouldn’t be able to perform his duties inflates the issue.
Dismissing JoPa for any reason but the incident couldn’t have been claimed to be an active response.
Immediately removing JoPa sounded like they were taking swift and decisive action.
With JoPa already announcing retirement, it was just toooooo juicy an opportunity to pass up.
Of course, it was an epic failure making it appear the problem was widespread and feeding rumors everyone knew about it – but everything else they did was an epic failure, so why would this be different?
Proud proponent of the 52 team Uber Conference
Because it isn't true.
What about the scandal was actively preventing Paterno from doing his job? It is not like Paterno was overwhelmed with media engagements considering the university wouldn’t let him speak publicly. And if this scandal did present obstacles to effectively performing the job of Penn State head coach, why were those obstacles only a problem for Paterno and not Bradley?
by VVeRPennState on Jan 12, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Yeah
I mean, I am in agreement with the people who say that Paterno couldn’t have continued to coach, at least after the Nebraska game. But let’s not pretend the operative reason had anything to do with his ability to “effectively perform his duties” – it was about the real and projected negative media attention that his presence would bring. I would have respected them a lot more had they just said that.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the BoT's statement is "lame."
Who would have been more “effective” in a crisis, Paterno or Bradley?
Though TB handled things pretty well considering, Paterno would have been more than equal to the task, especially since there would not be the additional scandal inflaming “news” of his firing and its guilt filled implications.
The BoT screwed up, period and won’t admit it. All they had to do was say they were going to accept JoePa’s resignation and wait and see how all the investigations shake out, and all the news vans would have slinked away.
It’s time top fire the BoT and write a new charter.
by TonyLion on Jan 13, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously.
Erickson said at the townhall meeting tonight that PSU didn’t issue any statements sooner because it was impossible to get the message out during that chaos. To which I say, O NOEZ IF ONLY MEDIA WAZ AROUND AT TIME!
by Chris Grovich on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
This statement on top of the original statement.......
Do they even realize that they are losing any kind of credibility they may have had, if they had any at all to begin with?
His actual statement was that (paraphrasing) with media camped out in front of Old Main,
in front of Lasch, and on College Avenue, there was no way to get there message out. That was the one moment where I was thinking, “well, if you actually engaged the media instead of letting them control the story, I’m pretty sure that CNN or ABC or ESPN would have killed their families for an exclusive interview with Spanier/Erickson.” This is what I meant when I wrote that PSU still doesn’t understand how they are going to have to change how they communicate with the outside world (i.e., the world beyond the Patriot-News and, occasionally the PPG or PI).
The idea that they could not get a message out with the media at their front door is by far the dumbest thing that Erickson said last night.
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by kijana's acl on Jan 12, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yep
I thought I had blacked out and was imagining it, but the guy next to me confirmed it. We then agreed to go get booze immediately afterward. Dr. Erickson brought alumni together last night.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 12, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe somebody tomorrow should ask Erickson
Dr. Erickson,Do you or the BOT know what the purpose of a Grand Jury Report is?
by BRJ75 on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You made a decision, and now are doing a double-take?
Steve " No Balls" Garban, and John " No Balls Too" Surma.
If Joe had fired you two, he would not be thinking twice about it.
You did what you thought you had to. Now, you are trying to backtrack?
The South Carolina Polls are still open guys. Time to run for office.
Or…..Shut Up!
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by joefromboalsburg on Jan 12, 2012 5:48 PM EST reply actions
I hope if my nickname is ever "No Balls"
I’m at least the primary one and not Too
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.
That is all.
Cory Giger smells like bologna.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
What a bunch of horseshit.
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by skarocksoi on Jan 12, 2012 6:23 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Two things
1. “Given the nature of the serious allegations contained in the Grand Jury Report”
So thats your info BOT? I wonder if they know what the purpose of the Grand Jury Report was?
2. “the extraordinary circumstances then facing the University”
So they didnt see this coming? Who was it that canceled Joe’s presser? Thats when the media went stark raving asshat.
Remember, they didn't have all the facts
But given all the facts, they had to fire Joe. It’s really that simple.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 12, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think it's also a matter of not wanting to publically admit which facts they had.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 12, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Correct me if Im wrong
but during “the infamous” press conference, when questioned what facts/info they had that they used to justify firing Paterno, didnt they basically skirt the issue by saying “we have nothing more than what you have seen” which was at that time, the Grand Jury Report only?
Holy run on sentence.
I thought they said,
We didn’t have any information outside what was in the GJ report. Might not be remembering perfectly.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I remember.
And honestly, most of my outrage was due to the fact that 2 days prior to Paterno’s termination, the BoT committed to an internal investigation to determine the facts prior to taking action. They then inexplicably removed Paterno from his position and admitted to having no new information.
It was from that point that I stopped taking anything stated by the BoT or PSU administration seriously and just considered them hollow words. As far as I can tell, their words are still hollow and their actions and motives are still suspect.
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by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 12, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's what they said, but I don't really believe it.
Maybe it’s just me, though.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I believe half of it
In light of reading Dr. Novaks website. I believe that the majority of the BoT didn’t actually have any other information. I believe that a select few, including Corbett (who started the damned investigation into Sandusky, I mean, come on) knew something more.
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by psuphysicist on Jan 12, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yep...
But the FIRST order of business was disgracing Joe by firing him. And if was FOOTBALL related, as this son of a bitch suggests, then why in hell wasn’t he fired in 2004?
To quote the great Lee Elia “MY F*&NG A$$!”
Why not claim it was football related 2 months ago? No, now that ESPN, The NY Times, etc, have gotten what they wanted, Joe’s job, and have quieted down, the Joe supporters are being heard and spin is being put forth…
by JoePa'sHornRimmedGlasses on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not that smart.
Please elaborate on how “not having all the facts” and “given all the facts” can be printed in the same state at same time.
I’m actually not messing with you, I’m just expressing my incredulousness at such a ridiculous statement.
by Ab4PSU on Jan 13, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They didnt have all the facts
but the facts they did have said they had to do it….
My guess is that is was a twisted sideways slam on the BoT….
I know I know… he should have used the sarcasm font…
All of our comments are irrelevant - LetsGoPSU
I could have used the sarcasm font
but that’s exactly what Surma said. I thought the absurdity could stand on it’s own.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Just out of curiosity
Should really get this in the hands of somebody at the Philly or definitely for the NYC Town Hall meetings just to call them out on the ridiculousness of this statement.
by BRJ75 on Jan 12, 2012 7:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bull!
They fired him late at night by phone. If what this statement said was the real reason then they tell him that he really should make his resignation effective immediately or else they’ll have no choice but to terminate him. Maybe he still wouldn’t retire on his own, but this way at least gives him a chance at a more dignified exit. And even if he refused you don’t then terminate him at that time and in that way.
Sorry, but I’m NOT buying this load of crap. I still think they wanted him gone for a long time and this gave them a ironclad excuse.
by J Breezy on Jan 12, 2012 7:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I took a shit in the planter on Allen and College.
On second thought, I was fertilizing the plants for the betterment of downtown State College.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Jan 12, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
That was you?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
That was a lot of us.
I just rec’d MainLion for admitting to it first.
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by leeharvey418 on Jan 13, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Was this statement
approved unanimously by the BoT or only by these two clowns? Was there a discussion by Bot members about the need for this statement now? Did they hold a scheduled meeting or at least a conference call? Were minutes taken and votes recorded? Does this qualify as a BoT statement if these two conjured up this “explanation” all on their own? Do they presume to speak for the entire BoT if they acted alone?
Maybe there should be a disclaimer about these views not necessarily representing the views of the BoT or PSU or the students, faculty or alumni?
Stop blaming Joe -- media mobs!
Nominate - Elect Franco Harris, Lydell Mitchell, Jimmy Cefalo to BoT (and vote out all nine alumni incumbents over next three years)
That's cute
You think there are more than just a small group of Trustees (including these two) who are ever involved in decision-making.
If they made such a disclaimer, they’d have to make it on everything they’ve ever done.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
This statement was approved by just the executive committee.
The rest of the bobble heads just bounced up and down.
Can I take a crack at translating this?
Given the nature of the serious allegations contained in the Grand Jury Report
Giving us an excuse big enough to finally get this done,
and the extraordinary circumstances then facing the University,
and with ESPN getting righteous on the air with wall-to-wall coverage,
the Board’s unanimous judgment
the handful of us who wanted to get rid of Joe about 10 years ago pressured anyone who didn’t and
was that Coach Paterno could not be expected to continue to effectively perform his duties
took this golden opportunity to both get rid of the old man AND make him a scapegoat
and that it was in the best interests of the University to make an immediate change in his status.
to get that damn spotlight out of our faces, affording us a chance to return to the darkness to pull our strings — that’s what we call serendipity, ha ha.
by Jitterbug on Jan 12, 2012 7:27 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
this might have been the truthiest statement on this situation that I have seen so far.
by IndianaLion on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Administrative leave
So why wasn’t administrative leave from head coaching duties pending outcome of an internal investigation considered or used?
Phil
by baronlion on Jan 12, 2012 7:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
The choice was the right thing or the expedient thing
Say what you will about the BoT, they knew exactly what would mollify the media. And it weren’t no multi-month investigation. They played the roll of Pontius Pilate with aplomb! Bravo.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but
Didn’t Surma admit that the action was due to the intense media scrutiny during the press conference immediate following “remov(ing) Coach Paterno from his postion”?
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by Frank O'Brien on Jan 12, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Scott Paterno:
“It is helpful to have on the record the Board’s position (about) my father’s status with the University,” Scott Paterno said in his own statement. "As has become apparent, the termination on November 9, with no notice or hearing, was not handled well.
“Joe Paterno has reiterated from the beginning that the first priority in this crisis is to serve the best interests of the victims,” Scott Paterno continued. “He believes strongly that everyone involved is entitled to due process.”
…
According to Scott Paterno, his father sees a “wholesale attack on the football program and Penn State’s academic record, as has happened in some quarters,” as unjustified.
“This is a crisis that deserves thoughtful and thorough review. In the course of that review and analysis, however, the legitimate achievements of this University and the many good people who worked so hard to build it into a world-class institution should not be disrespected,” Scott Paterno said before concluding, “My parents are unwavering in their loyalty and dedication to Penn State.”
(link.)
by Chris Grovich on Jan 12, 2012 8:31 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I didn't really like this statement either
Scott needed to not say anything.
Except the part where he said “the termination…was not handled well” which actually made me laugh out loud.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nice one Scotty
True story: During some post-school wrestling in junior high, I once hoisted Scotty up and body-slammed him WWE style into a snow bank by the bus stop. Pin. We were about 12. My finest athletic achievement.
He didn’t really need to say anything here but othing he said was wrong.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Was Scott packing the pounds back then?
Because, if so, then this feat is the adolescent version of body-slamming Haystacks Calhoun.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
He had a few pounds on me.
He was just a bit heavy then too, but a bit shorter than I was. I’d say he had about 20 pounds on me then.
Those were good times. Nowadays, parents always hang around the school bus stop. In my day it was Lord of the Flies. And we turned out ok, right? Grumble grumble … Old man…grumble … Cost a nickel. Etc.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 11:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Now get off my lawn!
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by leeharvey418 on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I was 12 in Oil City in 1969.
We were post-apocalyptic, when post apocalyptic wasn’t cool.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
It is
the Board’s MY unanimous judgment was that Coach Paterno could not be expected to continue that you two obviously cannot to effectively perform his your duties.
Wouldn’t it be in the best interest of the University for you both to accept that and abdicate your f***ing thrones?
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
Holy shit
Just when you thought our fearless leaders couldn’t insert their foot any further down their gullet, they decide to float this turd in the punch bowl.
Could have just said, “Um, we fired Joe because we though the media would leave us alone and blame him.”
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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 12, 2012 10:05 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Also:
Just when I can’t get any more furious at our spineless, clueless leadership, the offer up new and improved examples.
It’s like being brain damaged isn’t enough; they need to prove they’re the MOST brain damaged.
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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not brain damage
They are very smart. They have been hugely successful. They are stupid in the way that isn’t accessible to the actually stupid. There needs to be a new word for this.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I believe the Peter Principle refers to it as
percussive sublimation. Moving an incompetent up to get him/her out of your hair. Eventually they get to the top and can’t go any further.
*
I thought the Peter Principle applied when you were promoted to a level beyond your competence.
Seems to apply to most of these board members. And jives with what I’ve heard about Surma at the very least.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 12, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I remember when U.S. Steel was run by some serious badasses.
Judge Gary must be spinning.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 11:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not that the members of the board are stupid,
it’s that they think we are stupid.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
There it is.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
But I don't think they believe anybody buys this nonsense.
I mean, they didn’t even say anything in the statement. It’s a knee-jerk reaction to the outrage at the Pittsburgh town hall with Erickson. Fitting, because why should PSU start being proactive instead of reactive about public relations now?
by Chris Grovich on Jan 12, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Obviously they’re paying Ketchum a gajillion dollars. Here are three things that have happened:
1. PSU set up the town hall meetings as a way to change the narrative/promote transparency/rally the alumni
2. People following realized that a lot of the questions that had been asked had to deal with the firing of Joe Paterno.
3. Two major BoT members issued a carefully crafted statement regarding the firing of Joe Paterno.
Ketchum was obviously behind all three of these things. The interest of the Board is not to promote transparency. The interest of the Board is not to give an explanation of why they fired Joe Paterno. The interest of Board is to maintain the status quo, and to do so by giving the appearance that they’re promoting transparency and being honest about what happened. Ketchum is a firm that is good at serving their clients interests.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree to!
Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson
why should PSU start being proactive instead of reactive about public relations now?
This is going to be the name of the class that replaces the Paterno PR course, right? #institutionalcontrol
by Kevin Powers on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
So, in a perverse way PSU's problem has been too much institutional control?
We have institutional control to the point of paralysis? This idea resonates with me. I wonder if the NCAA is ready to deal with this angle.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Jan 13, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's a much less desirable type of institutional control.
It’s obvious they’re not actually in control of the institution, eg Penn State, but they do seem very much interested in institutionalizing the current power structure, both with their message, their actions, and their decision to use large amounts of university money to effectively make themselves look better.
To that last point, it’s pretty clear the PR contract is an effort to correct the image of the BOT, not Penn State.
by Kevin Powers on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
This sounds about right to me.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
And I should say, not just the BOT, but the current group of leadership, which I guess all flows to the BOT anyway.
by Kevin Powers on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Since Penn State has demonstrated too much institutional control
does that me we get recognized by the NCAA and are awarded extra scholarships for a few years?
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by Kyle_Martin on Jan 13, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've seen it happen
Organizations where bureaucracy is so smothering and/or unrewarding that it is better to do nothing or go with the flow than to risk sticking your head out of the foxhole. I’d elaborate but would necessarily have to delve into politics which I’d rather not do – I like ya’ll too much for that.
I would like to think so . . .
But there is a bunch of evidence to the contrary. Far too many people operating in the areas of marketing, politics, and public relations seem to follow Dr. Goebbels’ maxim that if you simply keep asserting something, then it will eventually become true. Unfortunately, Jacques Ellul has demonstrated that view to be largely correct.
Yeah, I just went Nazi. Where is MainLion with that cat’s theory about internet arguments.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
True, but they're not really asserting anything.
I half expected to see “—> … Profit!” at the end of that statement.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 13, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
We've only just begun . . .
Cue The Carpenters.
On second thought, don’t.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
???
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by Kyle_Martin on Jan 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
It's simple
Step One: Steal Underwear
Step Two: ????
Step Three: Profit!
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Or, never mind, I get it now.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Maybe this is what the crisis management firm finally rolled out
for the $300,000+ they were paid . . . in freaking November.
if it takes $300,000 to get "town meetings" (however bad they turn out), then it is money well spent; however bad these town meetings are turning out, they are ultimately good for PSU and the alumni.
Item 1: some - not a lot -- but some information is coming out.
item 2: some -- quite a lot actually -- information is being delivered to the BOT from the alumni
item 3: the townhall meeting caused the BOT to issue the “release” that is the subject of this Fanpost;
item 4: some sort of narrative is being written by the alumni that is not media or BOT driven; a la Grovich (in another thread), you may not like the narrative that is being written, but it is there none the less.
by WarBuck46410 on Jan 13, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In my experience
you use PR firms to pull connections and do the legwork to message (find media outlets, find people with a following who will listen, actually craft the press release or interview). What you decidedly don’t need a $300k invoice to do is decide on something as common sense as listening to the alumni base and being more upfront about what happened — that last thing they are going to have to do eventually anyway.
I’m relatively sure part of the $300k went towards getting that A1 article placed with the USA Today with the infamous “de-emphasize football” quote from Erickson, which we’ve all discussed and mostly agree that it’s impossible to do that without effectively folding the AD and hurting the school on the whole. That’s how you spend PR money, even if I happen to think that was a pretty inefficient effort since it was basically a lie.
For town hall meetings? You just hire an event planner, which I’m sure they did anyway on top of the $300k fee. When you hire a PR firm to do something obvious, it’s a cover your ass move. If these things backfire, the BOT can turn to the firm and shout YOU BLEW IT a la Billy Madison, instead of making their own decisions and living with them. This way mistakes can be outsourced, and rather than replace yourselves when thing go bad, you replace a falsely accountable PR firm.
by Kevin Powers on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My comment was not about town meetings.
It was about the fact that PSU paid a crisis management firm more than $300k back in November and yet the BOT is still attempting here in the second week of January to explain why they fired Joe more than two months ago. That is inept. Whether the BOT is alone in its ineptness, or is joined by the PR firm, I don’t know.
They can hold all the town meetings they want. I’m fine with that. But as Jesse said in the first post, this explanation could have and should have been articulated and released back in November.
This doesn't bother me much
Basically, they’re just saying they believed letting him coach would add to the media circus. If they think that would have bothered Joe, they’re incorrect.
They caved to media pressure and they’re admitting it. Fine. They will be judged accordingly.
In fairness, the media circus that ensued was a bit less nasty than if he’d been there. Jay and Scrap came off as sympathetic. They did the prayer thing which was cool.
If they thought this would be an easier way to get rid of him than firing him for normal football reasons, than they got what they deserved with the massive backlash. Their hope to avoid such a backlash is the reason they didn’t fire him about ten years ago. Now they got it anyway. [insert Nelson Muntz’ Hah hah].
The board has and should have the right to fire the coach. Well, the president should have that right, but since the president was in the process of resigning, it fell to the board. The board theoretically represents the University’s rightful stakeholders (it doesn’t, but that’s another issue). Their authority is final except for the laws of the land. And that’s ok. Coaches shouldn’t be above them.
But to do it by dark of night by phone without having a proper civilized conversation with him was gutless and possibly a breach of contract.
So I’m not bothered because at least the board is now showing their cards. They have a pair of threes. Lose.
Those who say Joe was being arrogant by trying to dictate his own departure don’t respect the fact that he had a contract with the University and an unwritten obligation to his players.
He handled the termination like Socrates drinking the hemlock. He accepted the board’s decision and didn’t try to claim he deserved special treatment even though he does.
I don’t think Erickson was really wrong when he said they didn’t think they could get their message out. ESPN et al really weren’t interested in the University’s message. They wanted to burn a witch and were going to do whatever it took to do that.
But I don’t see why that prevented them from discussing it all with Paterno like adults. It’s bizarre that they chose to communicate via press releases. The Paternos’ house is a short walk from the Nittany Lion Inn. Or they could have called. The Paternos are in the phone book.
Indeed, I think they probably could have just put him on leave and even get Joe to pretend he was ok with that. Maybe discuss it with the team captains before announcing it so the team understands that he’s not abandoning them but just trying to avoid public unrest.
But instead they panicked.
Regardless of its merits, there’s no reason the board could not have put out this release months ago. There were a lot of those delays. Like why, for example, did they let McQuery twist in the wind for days, and then take many more days to explain – in a round about way – that McQuery can’t be fired because he’s a whistleblower. Likewise, I understand Curley is legally protected. That could have all been clarified immediately.
I’ve worked with crappy PR operations before. Usually the blame shouldn’t be on the PR rep fielding the question, but on the absurd procedures the company or organization has in place that forces the PR rep to get every word cleared by five different people. And if one of those five is out of the office, no statements or releases can get out the door. It seems like with Spanier, Schultz, and Curley gone, the whole system ground to a halt.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Not sure where you got this
They caved to media pressure and they’re admitting it.
That is what they should have said. What they actually said was:
Coach Paterno could not be expected to continue to effectively perform his duties and that it was in the best interests of the University to make an immediate change in his status.
You have followed everything, so you read what you said into what they said in their statement. But they didn’t say that. In fact, if someone had no information of what happened and just read the statement, they would assume that something happened which would directly affect Paterno’s ability to coach.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I am reading that into it
But it’s the only inference I can draw. What other “extraordinary circumstances” would they be referring to other than the media circus? That’s the only thing that would have been extraordinary about that game.
I’m being facetious when I say “this doesn’t bother me.” I thought that was clear.
The first part of this statement says nothing. Not just nothing new, but nothing at all really. “In the best interest of the University” doesn’t tell us anything. As opposed to what, “the detriment of the university?” What else would they say?
“Didn’t feel he could effectively carry out his duties.” – isn’t that just a repeat of what they said before? And still no clarification on how a media shotstorm would have affected Joe, a guy who doesn’t read the paper? Really, fellas? Two months and you’re still going with that line? And, beside, isn’t that just the organizational equivalent of “it’s not you, it’s me?” C’mon.
So like I said, they’re showing their cards and they’ve got nothing. They fucked up good and proper. They know it. We know it. They know we know they know. They know we can’t touch them (yet). It’s Kabuki. Some members of the media don’t seem to get that it’s all a choreographed dance.
I actually wished that game could have been rescheduled. But now because of the B1G championship game (which I don’t really like), that would have been impossible. Joe not being there wasn’t a disaster. It worked out ok. But he should have been allowed to discuss it with them as adults. His absence drew attention to the Sandusky thing as much as his presence would have. The haters still hated. Oh well, thank God that’s in the past.
As for the rest of the release – the stuff about Joe still getting paid. Yeah, thanks BOT for clarifying that, but we know all of that already. No thanks to the board. That was explained by the newspapers.
I don’t have a problem with board members wanting to force Joe to retire if they really honestly believe that’s what would be best for the program and university for sound football or academic reasons. We can discuss those things openly as adults and respect differences of opinion. But to give us empty phrases is just weak sauce.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To clarify
I dont mean to say the BOT is literally admitting anything, but them pretending like they didn’t cave to the pressure is like Michael Jordan pretending he talks to random people about his Hanes underwear. Nobody can really believe that. Even the people who support the firing don’t seem to believe that.
I think there’s a case to be made that caving to the pressure was the smart play. Not sure, but maybe. But even if so, they could have talked to Joe and the team about that like men.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 13, 2012 12:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A pair of threes?
I think what the board actually lacks is a low pair…
Alea iacta est...
by PSUGuru on Jan 13, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
ESPN, CNN, et al. may not have been interested in PSU's message
but there is zero chance that any of them would have turned down an exclusive 30 minute interview with Dr. Erickson on November 12th. Zero chance. That’s how you get your message out.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's true
But I don’t think that interview would have gone well. All they could say was “it’s under investigation.” I don’t think the interviewer would give them a chance to talk about the good things at Penn State. There would have been a “how long have you been hiding the rampant child abuse here” questions.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 13, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
That's why you negotiate the exclusive
We will give you 15 minutes on topic A, but first you have to give me 15 minutes on Topic B. And you have to air it all. Someone would have bit on that.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, but PSU lacked the kind of PR shark needed to negotiate that kind of deal.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 13, 2012 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the GC was worth a damn, then she could have done it
She’s not. So she didn’t.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently not
She has an impressive resume, but she hasn’t covered herself in glory on this one. She needs to be canned.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 13, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely.
She might be sneaking ahead of Schultz on the failure chain. My current rankings:
1. Sandusky
……….. way down the list ……..
2. Spanier
3. Schultz
4. Baldwin
5. Curley
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN and the BOT sucks.
That is all. WE ARE…..
by PSU_Brian on Jan 12, 2012 11:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well, the Board has acknowledged that they can hear us
But I still don’t think they’re listening or understanding.
Still, it’s a start.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jan 13, 2012 3:22 AM EST reply actions
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!
Could someone PLEASE ask Erickson tonight (at the NY TH) why they didn’t simply put Joe on administrative leave? Based on this statement from the BoT, it seems like that would have accomplished their objectives.
To me this is a crucial question. The moment they fired Joe, they broke trust with the Penn State community. That was the first moment that this whole episode went from "wow, this is really bad" to complete an utter shock, disbelief and rage. That was the moment this all got personal for all of us. That is why we have been so angry and cynical about every action/inaction they have taken since.
Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson
by belbijou on Jan 13, 2012 7:26 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
It was asked in Pittsburgh
He punted to the BoT.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
bummer... that we he did for everything yesterday too
I don’t think they get along very well, bc he certainly feels free to throw them under the bus
Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson
I don't think that's it at all
First, it’s true that he wasn’t in the meeting. Second, by making the decision not to have anyone from the BoT in attendance, he gets the cover of saying he wasn’t involved in the decisions and nobody from the BoT is there to take the heat. I think this was a strategic decision not to have anyone from the BoT in attendance; gives Erickson plausible ignorance/lack of authority to answer certain questions.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
I doubt they even considered it having a rep in attendance, since the BOT likes to act in totally anonymity, not because they wanted to give Erickson an easy out. That was probably a nice bonus for him. It didn’t make him look good though. He’s a lame duck president and that was very obvious.
Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson
Because...
Surma and a few of the others CLEARLY had an axe to grind on Joe and were STEAMED when he said “The board should not waste another second considering my future” and then used “in hindsight I wish I’d done more” to pounce.
To paraphrase Costner in JFK (“Kennedy could not be allowed to ‘escape’ Dallas alive”) Joe could not be allowed to escape to retirement.
by JoePa'sHornRimmedGlasses on Jan 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
As he should have
That wasn’t his decision and he wasn’t in the room when the BOT made it.
These poor people
are unfortunately not very bright, and I don’t trust them at all, or want to hear another word out of them short of resignation letters.
*edited since this is a family website.
They don't care
At all.
They still have the power.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
Sounds reasonable, but...
unfortunately, the BoT credibility on this issue is in the toilet.
Had this been the statement in November, I (for one), not being alumni, probably would have bought it, as it is perfectly sensible to conclude that Joe and the team would not be able to focus on the remaining schedule and such. Certainly, with all that was going on, it would have been a reasonable position to take.
The problem, of course, is that this is not what they said in November. Surma (to whom I will forever refer to as Asshat) said that Paterno’s firing was based on the report, no more and no less. Clearly, this statement is nothing more than damage control, meant to quell the mass of hordes, storming the gates to their Ivory Tower.
There is good news from this statement, though. That, my friends, is that you are being heard. You have called shenanigans on these assclowns and they are scared. If they weren’t, then they would be continuing the “Let Them Eat Cake” mentality with which they seem to run the university. The people on this message board, and others like it, are having an impact on changing how the university is run. This statement is nothing but desparation on the part of the BoT in general, and the “Power Group” in particular.
Keep pressing these assclowns. Make them fully disclose what they knew about JS and when they knew it. You are all modern day Woodward and Bernsteins. You, the alumni, have them on the run. Don’t let up.
by Keith Platt on Jan 13, 2012 4:02 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Some folks ARE continuing the "Let Them East Cake" mindset
When they say crap like “I know how to use the delete key.”
by cs93 on Jan 13, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

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