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BoT issues new statement regarding Paterno

Steve Garban, chair of Penn State's Board of Trustees, and John Surma, vice chairman of the Board of Trustees, have issued a new statement this afternoon in response to questions raised regarding former football coach Joe Paterno at President Rodney Erickson's town hall meeting on Wednesday night in Pittsburgh. The statement, in full: "Many alumni have asked why the Board decided to remove Coach Paterno from his position as Head Football Coach. On Wednesday, November 9, Coach Paterno announced that he would retire at the conclusion of the 2011 football season. Given the nature of the serious allegations contained in the Grand Jury Report and the extraordinary circumstances then facing the University, the Board's unanimous judgment was that Coach Paterno could not be expected to continue to effectively perform his duties and that it was in the best interests of the University to make an immediate change in his status. "Therefore, the Board acted to remove Coach Paterno from his position as Head Football Coach effective as of that date. Coach Paterno remains employed by the University as a tenured faculty member. The details of his retirement are being worked out and will be made public when they are finalized. "Generally speaking, the University intends to honor the terms of his employment contract and is treating him financially as if he had retired at the end of the 2011 football season."

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no kidding

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 12, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh... oh... let me try.

Dismissing JoPa because they believed he wouldn’t be able to perform his duties inflates the issue.
Dismissing JoPa for any reason but the incident couldn’t have been claimed to be an active response.

Immediately removing JoPa sounded like they were taking swift and decisive action.

With JoPa already announcing retirement, it was just toooooo juicy an opportunity to pass up.

Of course, it was an epic failure making it appear the problem was widespread and feeding rumors everyone knew about it – but everything else they did was an epic failure, so why would this be different?

Proud proponent of the 52 team Uber Conference

by ProveIt on Jan 12, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I mean, I am in agreement with the people who say that Paterno couldn’t have continued to coach, at least after the Nebraska game. But let’s not pretend the operative reason had anything to do with his ability to “effectively perform his duties” – it was about the real and projected negative media attention that his presence would bring. I would have respected them a lot more had they just said that.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think the BoT's statement is "lame."

Who would have been more “effective” in a crisis, Paterno or Bradley?

Though TB handled things pretty well considering, Paterno would have been more than equal to the task, especially since there would not be the additional scandal inflaming “news” of his firing and its guilt filled implications.

The BoT screwed up, period and won’t admit it. All they had to do was say they were going to accept JoePa’s resignation and wait and see how all the investigations shake out, and all the news vans would have slinked away.

It’s time top fire the BoT and write a new charter.

by TonyLion on Jan 13, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously.

Erickson said at the townhall meeting tonight that PSU didn’t issue any statements sooner because it was impossible to get the message out during that chaos. To which I say, O NOEZ IF ONLY MEDIA WAZ AROUND AT TIME!

by Chris Grovich on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This statement on top of the original statement.......

Do they even realize that they are losing any kind of credibility they may have had, if they had any at all to begin with?

by BRJ75 on Jan 12, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

I thought I had blacked out and was imagining it, but the guy next to me confirmed it. We then agreed to go get booze immediately afterward. Dr. Erickson brought alumni together last night.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 12, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe somebody tomorrow should ask Erickson

Dr. Erickson,Do you or the BOT know what the purpose of a Grand Jury Report is?

by BRJ75 on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Of all of the different statements by Erickson, this made the least sense. Just look for the vans with the tall satellite towers. Chances are good that media is nearby

by danpsu97 on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

You made a decision, and now are doing a double-take?

Steve " No Balls" Garban, and John " No Balls Too" Surma.
If Joe had fired you two, he would not be thinking twice about it.
You did what you thought you had to. Now, you are trying to backtrack?

The South Carolina Polls are still open guys. Time to run for office.

Or…..Shut Up!

Son of an Infidel.....Eater of Vegetables!

by joefromboalsburg on Jan 12, 2012 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

I hope if my nickname is ever "No Balls"

I’m at least the primary one and not Too

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

That is all.

Cory Giger smells like bologna.

"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."

Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Two things

1. “Given the nature of the serious allegations contained in the Grand Jury Report”

So thats your info BOT? I wonder if they know what the purpose of the Grand Jury Report was?

2. “the extraordinary circumstances then facing the University”

So they didnt see this coming? Who was it that canceled Joe’s presser? Thats when the media went stark raving asshat.

by BRJ75 on Jan 12, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

Remember, they didn't have all the facts

But given all the facts, they had to fire Joe. It’s really that simple.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 12, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Correct me if Im wrong

but during “the infamous” press conference, when questioned what facts/info they had that they used to justify firing Paterno, didnt they basically skirt the issue by saying “we have nothing more than what you have seen” which was at that time, the Grand Jury Report only?

Holy run on sentence.

by BRJ75 on Jan 12, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought they said,

We didn’t have any information outside what was in the GJ report. Might not be remembering perfectly.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what I remember.

And honestly, most of my outrage was due to the fact that 2 days prior to Paterno’s termination, the BoT committed to an internal investigation to determine the facts prior to taking action. They then inexplicably removed Paterno from his position and admitted to having no new information.

It was from that point that I stopped taking anything stated by the BoT or PSU administration seriously and just considered them hollow words. As far as I can tell, their words are still hollow and their actions and motives are still suspect.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 12, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I believe half of it

In light of reading Dr. Novaks website. I believe that the majority of the BoT didn’t actually have any other information. I believe that a select few, including Corbett (who started the damned investigation into Sandusky, I mean, come on) knew something more.

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by psuphysicist on Jan 12, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep...

But the FIRST order of business was disgracing Joe by firing him. And if was FOOTBALL related, as this son of a bitch suggests, then why in hell wasn’t he fired in 2004?
To quote the great Lee Elia “MY F*&NG A$$!”

Why not claim it was football related 2 months ago? No, now that ESPN, The NY Times, etc, have gotten what they wanted, Joe’s job, and have quieted down, the Joe supporters are being heard and spin is being put forth…

by JoePa'sHornRimmedGlasses on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not that smart.

Please elaborate on how “not having all the facts” and “given all the facts” can be printed in the same state at same time.

I’m actually not messing with you, I’m just expressing my incredulousness at such a ridiculous statement.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 13, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They didnt have all the facts

but the facts they did have said they had to do it….

My guess is that is was a twisted sideways slam on the BoT….

I know I know… he should have used the sarcasm font…

All of our comments are irrelevant - LetsGoPSU

by jaytay13 on Jan 13, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I could have used the sarcasm font

but that’s exactly what Surma said. I thought the absurdity could stand on it’s own.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Just out of curiosity

Should really get this in the hands of somebody at the Philly or definitely for the NYC Town Hall meetings just to call them out on the ridiculousness of this statement.

by BRJ75 on Jan 12, 2012 7:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Bull!

They fired him late at night by phone. If what this statement said was the real reason then they tell him that he really should make his resignation effective immediately or else they’ll have no choice but to terminate him. Maybe he still wouldn’t retire on his own, but this way at least gives him a chance at a more dignified exit. And even if he refused you don’t then terminate him at that time and in that way.

Sorry, but I’m NOT buying this load of crap. I still think they wanted him gone for a long time and this gave them a ironclad excuse.

by J Breezy on Jan 12, 2012 7:05 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

That was you?

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a lot of us.

I just rec’d MainLion for admitting to it first.

Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®

by leeharvey418 on Jan 13, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Was this statement

approved unanimously by the BoT or only by these two clowns? Was there a discussion by Bot members about the need for this statement now? Did they hold a scheduled meeting or at least a conference call? Were minutes taken and votes recorded? Does this qualify as a BoT statement if these two conjured up this “explanation” all on their own? Do they presume to speak for the entire BoT if they acted alone?

Maybe there should be a disclaimer about these views not necessarily representing the views of the BoT or PSU or the students, faculty or alumni?

Stop blaming Joe -- media mobs!
Nominate - Elect Franco Harris, Lydell Mitchell, Jimmy Cefalo to BoT (and vote out all nine alumni incumbents over next three years)

by OlderBudweiser on Jan 12, 2012 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

That's cute

You think there are more than just a small group of Trustees (including these two) who are ever involved in decision-making.

If they made such a disclaimer, they’d have to make it on everything they’ve ever done.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

this might have been the truthiest statement on this situation that I have seen so far.

by IndianaLion on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Administrative leave

So why wasn’t administrative leave from head coaching duties pending outcome of an internal investigation considered or used?

Phil

by baronlion on Jan 12, 2012 7:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

The choice was the right thing or the expedient thing

Say what you will about the BoT, they knew exactly what would mollify the media. And it weren’t no multi-month investigation. They played the roll of Pontius Pilate with aplomb! Bravo.

by Jitterbug on Jan 12, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Please correct me if I'm wrong but

Didn’t Surma admit that the action was due to the intense media scrutiny during the press conference immediate following “remov(ing) Coach Paterno from his postion”?

Striving for Success with Honor

by Frank O'Brien on Jan 12, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Roll = role

If Pontius Pilate had a “roll,” it would definitely be a kaiser.

by Jitterbug on Jan 13, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't really like this statement either

Scott needed to not say anything.

Except the part where he said “the termination…was not handled well” which actually made me laugh out loud.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice one Scotty

True story: During some post-school wrestling in junior high, I once hoisted Scotty up and body-slammed him WWE style into a snow bank by the bus stop. Pin. We were about 12. My finest athletic achievement.

He didn’t really need to say anything here but othing he said was wrong.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Was Scott packing the pounds back then?

Because, if so, then this feat is the adolescent version of body-slamming Haystacks Calhoun.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He had a few pounds on me.

He was just a bit heavy then too, but a bit shorter than I was. I’d say he had about 20 pounds on me then.

Those were good times. Nowadays, parents always hang around the school bus stop. In my day it was Lord of the Flies. And we turned out ok, right? Grumble grumble … Old man…grumble … Cost a nickel. Etc.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 11:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Now get off my lawn!

Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®

by leeharvey418 on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I was 12 in Oil City in 1969.

We were post-apocalyptic, when post apocalyptic wasn’t cool.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 13, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It is

the Board’s MY unanimous judgment was that Coach Paterno could not be expected to continue that you two obviously cannot to effectively perform his your duties.

Wouldn’t it be in the best interest of the University for you both to accept that and abdicate your f***ing thrones?

"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"

by nitwit86 on Jan 12, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

Also:

Just when I can’t get any more furious at our spineless, clueless leadership, the offer up new and improved examples.

It’s like being brain damaged isn’t enough; they need to prove they’re the MOST brain damaged.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Not brain damage

They are very smart. They have been hugely successful. They are stupid in the way that isn’t accessible to the actually stupid. There needs to be a new word for this.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe the Peter Principle refers to it as

percussive sublimation. Moving an incompetent up to get him/her out of your hair. Eventually they get to the top and can’t go any further.

*

by Smee on Jan 12, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the Peter Principle applied when you were promoted to a level beyond your competence.

Seems to apply to most of these board members. And jives with what I’ve heard about Surma at the very least.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 12, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember when U.S. Steel was run by some serious badasses.

Judge Gary must be spinning.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

There it is.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

But I don't think they believe anybody buys this nonsense.

I mean, they didn’t even say anything in the statement. It’s a knee-jerk reaction to the outrage at the Pittsburgh town hall with Erickson. Fitting, because why should PSU start being proactive instead of reactive about public relations now?

by Chris Grovich on Jan 12, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

Obviously they’re paying Ketchum a gajillion dollars. Here are three things that have happened:

1. PSU set up the town hall meetings as a way to change the narrative/promote transparency/rally the alumni

2. People following realized that a lot of the questions that had been asked had to deal with the firing of Joe Paterno.

3. Two major BoT members issued a carefully crafted statement regarding the firing of Joe Paterno.

Ketchum was obviously behind all three of these things. The interest of the Board is not to promote transparency. The interest of the Board is not to give an explanation of why they fired Joe Paterno. The interest of Board is to maintain the status quo, and to do so by giving the appearance that they’re promoting transparency and being honest about what happened. Ketchum is a firm that is good at serving their clients interests.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I agree to!

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Jan 13, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

why should PSU start being proactive instead of reactive about public relations now?

This is going to be the name of the class that replaces the Paterno PR course, right? #institutionalcontrol

by Kevin Powers on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

So, in a perverse way PSU's problem has been too much institutional control?

We have institutional control to the point of paralysis? This idea resonates with me. I wonder if the NCAA is ready to deal with this angle.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 13, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's a much less desirable type of institutional control.

It’s obvious they’re not actually in control of the institution, eg Penn State, but they do seem very much interested in institutionalizing the current power structure, both with their message, their actions, and their decision to use large amounts of university money to effectively make themselves look better.

To that last point, it’s pretty clear the PR contract is an effort to correct the image of the BOT, not Penn State.

by Kevin Powers on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

This sounds about right to me.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

And I should say, not just the BOT, but the current group of leadership, which I guess all flows to the BOT anyway.

by Kevin Powers on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Since Penn State has demonstrated too much institutional control

does that me we get recognized by the NCAA and are awarded extra scholarships for a few years?

Formerly known as kmart93
Black Shoe Diaries

by Kyle_Martin on Jan 13, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No.

The way we’ve been fucked in the polls in the past, we now get a National Championship for being listed in the “Others Receving Votes” section of the polls.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 13, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen it happen

Organizations where bureaucracy is so smothering and/or unrewarding that it is better to do nothing or go with the flow than to risk sticking your head out of the foxhole. I’d elaborate but would necessarily have to delve into politics which I’d rather not do – I like ya’ll too much for that.

by cs93 on Jan 13, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to think so . . .

But there is a bunch of evidence to the contrary. Far too many people operating in the areas of marketing, politics, and public relations seem to follow Dr. Goebbels’ maxim that if you simply keep asserting something, then it will eventually become true. Unfortunately, Jacques Ellul has demonstrated that view to be largely correct.

Yeah, I just went Nazi. Where is MainLion with that cat’s theory about internet arguments.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 13, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

We've only just begun . . .

Cue The Carpenters.

On second thought, don’t.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 13, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

It's simple

Step One: Steal Underwear
Step Two: ????
Step Three: Profit!

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Or, never mind, I get it now.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 13, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

if it takes $300,000 to get "town meetings" (however bad they turn out), then it is money well spent; however bad these town meetings are turning out, they are ultimately good for PSU and the alumni.

Item 1: some - not a lot -- but some information is coming out.
item 2: some -- quite a lot actually -- information is being delivered to the BOT from the alumni
item 3: the townhall meeting caused the BOT to issue the “release” that is the subject of this Fanpost;
item 4: some sort of narrative is being written by the alumni that is not media or BOT driven; a la Grovich (in another thread), you may not like the narrative that is being written, but it is there none the less.

by WarBuck46410 on Jan 13, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In my experience

you use PR firms to pull connections and do the legwork to message (find media outlets, find people with a following who will listen, actually craft the press release or interview). What you decidedly don’t need a $300k invoice to do is decide on something as common sense as listening to the alumni base and being more upfront about what happened — that last thing they are going to have to do eventually anyway.

I’m relatively sure part of the $300k went towards getting that A1 article placed with the USA Today with the infamous “de-emphasize football” quote from Erickson, which we’ve all discussed and mostly agree that it’s impossible to do that without effectively folding the AD and hurting the school on the whole. That’s how you spend PR money, even if I happen to think that was a pretty inefficient effort since it was basically a lie.

For town hall meetings? You just hire an event planner, which I’m sure they did anyway on top of the $300k fee. When you hire a PR firm to do something obvious, it’s a cover your ass move. If these things backfire, the BOT can turn to the firm and shout YOU BLEW IT a la Billy Madison, instead of making their own decisions and living with them. This way mistakes can be outsourced, and rather than replace yourselves when thing go bad, you replace a falsely accountable PR firm.

by Kevin Powers on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

My comment was not about town meetings.

It was about the fact that PSU paid a crisis management firm more than $300k back in November and yet the BOT is still attempting here in the second week of January to explain why they fired Joe more than two months ago. That is inept. Whether the BOT is alone in its ineptness, or is joined by the PR firm, I don’t know.

They can hold all the town meetings they want. I’m fine with that. But as Jesse said in the first post, this explanation could have and should have been articulated and released back in November.

by CvilleLion on Jan 13, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure where you got this
They caved to media pressure and they’re admitting it.

That is what they should have said. What they actually said was:

Coach Paterno could not be expected to continue to effectively perform his duties and that it was in the best interests of the University to make an immediate change in his status.

You have followed everything, so you read what you said into what they said in their statement. But they didn’t say that. In fact, if someone had no information of what happened and just read the statement, they would assume that something happened which would directly affect Paterno’s ability to coach.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 12, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I am reading that into it

But it’s the only inference I can draw. What other “extraordinary circumstances” would they be referring to other than the media circus? That’s the only thing that would have been extraordinary about that game.

I’m being facetious when I say “this doesn’t bother me.” I thought that was clear.

The first part of this statement says nothing. Not just nothing new, but nothing at all really. “In the best interest of the University” doesn’t tell us anything. As opposed to what, “the detriment of the university?” What else would they say?

“Didn’t feel he could effectively carry out his duties.” – isn’t that just a repeat of what they said before? And still no clarification on how a media shotstorm would have affected Joe, a guy who doesn’t read the paper? Really, fellas? Two months and you’re still going with that line? And, beside, isn’t that just the organizational equivalent of “it’s not you, it’s me?” C’mon.

So like I said, they’re showing their cards and they’ve got nothing. They fucked up good and proper. They know it. We know it. They know we know they know. They know we can’t touch them (yet). It’s Kabuki. Some members of the media don’t seem to get that it’s all a choreographed dance.

I actually wished that game could have been rescheduled. But now because of the B1G championship game (which I don’t really like), that would have been impossible. Joe not being there wasn’t a disaster. It worked out ok. But he should have been allowed to discuss it with them as adults. His absence drew attention to the Sandusky thing as much as his presence would have. The haters still hated. Oh well, thank God that’s in the past.

As for the rest of the release – the stuff about Joe still getting paid. Yeah, thanks BOT for clarifying that, but we know all of that already. No thanks to the board. That was explained by the newspapers.

I don’t have a problem with board members wanting to force Joe to retire if they really honestly believe that’s what would be best for the program and university for sound football or academic reasons. We can discuss those things openly as adults and respect differences of opinion. But to give us empty phrases is just weak sauce.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 12, 2012 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

To clarify

I dont mean to say the BOT is literally admitting anything, but them pretending like they didn’t cave to the pressure is like Michael Jordan pretending he talks to random people about his Hanes underwear. Nobody can really believe that. Even the people who support the firing don’t seem to believe that.

I think there’s a case to be made that caving to the pressure was the smart play. Not sure, but maybe. But even if so, they could have talked to Joe and the team about that like men.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 13, 2012 12:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ESPN, CNN, et al. may not have been interested in PSU's message

but there is zero chance that any of them would have turned down an exclusive 30 minute interview with Dr. Erickson on November 12th. Zero chance. That’s how you get your message out.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's true

But I don’t think that interview would have gone well. All they could say was “it’s under investigation.” I don’t think the interviewer would give them a chance to talk about the good things at Penn State. There would have been a “how long have you been hiding the rampant child abuse here” questions.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 13, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

That's why you negotiate the exclusive

We will give you 15 minutes on topic A, but first you have to give me 15 minutes on Topic B. And you have to air it all. Someone would have bit on that.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

If the GC was worth a damn, then she could have done it

She’s not. So she didn’t.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently not

She has an impressive resume, but she hasn’t covered herself in glory on this one. She needs to be canned.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 13, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Absolutely.

She might be sneaking ahead of Schultz on the failure chain. My current rankings:

1. Sandusky
……….. way down the list ……..
2. Spanier
3. Schultz
4. Baldwin
5. Curley

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the Board has acknowledged that they can hear us

But I still don’t think they’re listening or understanding.

Still, it’s a start.

by newenglandnittanylion on Jan 13, 2012 3:22 AM EST reply actions  

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!

Could someone PLEASE ask Erickson tonight (at the NY TH) why they didn’t simply put Joe on administrative leave? Based on this statement from the BoT, it seems like that would have accomplished their objectives.

To me this is a crucial question. The moment they fired Joe, they broke trust with the Penn State community. That was the first moment that this whole episode went from "wow, this is really bad" to complete an utter shock, disbelief and rage. That was the moment this all got personal for all of us. That is why we have been so angry and cynical about every action/inaction they have taken since.

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Jan 13, 2012 7:26 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

It was asked in Pittsburgh

He punted to the BoT.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

bummer... that we he did for everything yesterday too

I don’t think they get along very well, bc he certainly feels free to throw them under the bus

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Jan 13, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that's it at all

First, it’s true that he wasn’t in the meeting. Second, by making the decision not to have anyone from the BoT in attendance, he gets the cover of saying he wasn’t involved in the decisions and nobody from the BoT is there to take the heat. I think this was a strategic decision not to have anyone from the BoT in attendance; gives Erickson plausible ignorance/lack of authority to answer certain questions.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 13, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point

I doubt they even considered it having a rep in attendance, since the BOT likes to act in totally anonymity, not because they wanted to give Erickson an easy out. That was probably a nice bonus for him. It didn’t make him look good though. He’s a lame duck president and that was very obvious.

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Jan 13, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Because...

Surma and a few of the others CLEARLY had an axe to grind on Joe and were STEAMED when he said “The board should not waste another second considering my future” and then used “in hindsight I wish I’d done more” to pounce.
To paraphrase Costner in JFK (“Kennedy could not be allowed to ‘escape’ Dallas alive”) Joe could not be allowed to escape to retirement.

by JoePa'sHornRimmedGlasses on Jan 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

As he should have

That wasn’t his decision and he wasn’t in the room when the BOT made it.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 13, 2012 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

These poor people

are unfortunately not very bright, and I don’t trust them at all, or want to hear another word out of them short of resignation letters.

*edited since this is a family website.

by FB6244 on Jan 13, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

They don't care

At all.

They still have the power.

jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.

by jtothep on Jan 13, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

Sadly true.

I’m sure that operation “It Will Blow Over” is in full swing.

by CvilleLion on Jan 13, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Some folks ARE continuing the "Let Them East Cake" mindset

When they say crap like “I know how to use the delete key.”

by cs93 on Jan 13, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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