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That's what I said...

Finally, words from the man himself.

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 13, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah!

If you look at the picture on the page, the interview happened yesterday and will be published tomorrow.

The interviewer will answer questions on Monday – you can send questions to her at:

http://live.washingtonpost.com/joe-paterno-speaks-to-sally-jenkins.html.

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 13, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

Well the picture on the site says it’s from the interview and he looks pretty good. Obviously hard to tell from one picture. But his color is pretty good, and his face doesn’t look to drained.

by psuwresfan on Jan 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I hadn't clicked the link.

If that’s true it isn’t bad, maybe lost some wieght in the face, but seemingly pretty good.

by FB6244 on Jan 13, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He still has his hair.

Every single strand of it.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 13, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to be grim

but the first thing I thought when I saw that picture was it looked like a wig.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 13, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

his hair has always had a wig-like aspect

there are lots of new chemos now where you don’t lose your hair. Or get nauseous.

I thing Joe loves his hair. He never wears a cap or hat.

"There are too many Irish guys on this team"
Joesph Vincent Paterno
April, 2010

by letsgopsu on Jan 13, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh.

I agree. It’s parted in the wrong direction and the grey is gone. You’re probably right.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 14, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

This is interesting.

I have a feeling it won’t change any minds on either side of the fence, but will be nice to hear from him directly.

.....that which we are, WE ARE;
One equal temper of heroic hearts

by SarcasmJam on Jan 13, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

Is it better that this is released after the town hall meetings?

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 13, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

I’m not sure if I would’ve rather heard his story prior to the meetings or after. The fact that it is released after means the story will have a longer life to it as it’s not likely anything significant will be released by the university. This also means that the university may not issue much of a response to it (which may not have happened at the meetings either).

Either way, I think it’s a good thing that Paterno is doing his best to take control of the narrative. Whether this changes people’s opinions is unknown (although, honestly, if you claim that your mind is already made up without there really being any facts, I find your opinion to be worthless anyway), but it at least allows us to get a better understanding of what he knew. I just hope that there are real answers (which it’s Joe, so I expect him to not hold back) and that the interview is objective.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 13, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm concerned the interviewer won't be objective

I don’t think Paterno would handle an aggressive interviewer very well.

by psualum9931 on Jan 13, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that Joe and his family instigated this interview and wouldn’t have agreed to do it if it were going to be a hit piece.

I also think this will be the time Joe gets to say all he can (legally, anyway) about the whole story.

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 13, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing this is the case.

I would assume that they were very selective regarding who they would allow for the interview and the questions they would allow. I’m almost disappointed his story is being released in an interview format. I’d almost prefer that he just releases a full statement.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 13, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I’d be disappointed with a statement. I want to see him sit down with every reputable interviewer who’s willing to do so. So what if the questions are ‘difficult’? – the only way he’s going to fully tell his side of the story is to answer those questions.

Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®

by leeharvey418 on Jan 13, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

To be perfectly honest (and a little morbid)

I was kinda hoping he would stick to written testimony. Even before the cancer and JS, he was sounding pretty weak. This has me a little scared that he’ll just sound feeble and disconnected.

I will say that my 83 year old grandfather put on one or two grand performances where he was his old firey self right before he passed; hopefully Joe has one or two good performances left in him.

by SkellerDweller06 on Jan 13, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

I doubt there will be audio or video

as it’s being done by Washington Post’s Sally Jenkins…but I guess I could be wrong?

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jan 13, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was videotaped?

"There are too many Irish guys on this team"
Joesph Vincent Paterno
April, 2010

by letsgopsu on Jan 13, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen this multiple places

so that may be true, but I don’t remember reading it in the article.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jan 13, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

I’ve been left raising an eyebrow after hearing Joe answer seemingly simple questions about football because of the long winded, indirect response. I understand that he always had a way of dancing around questions in a meandering type of way, but this was amplified significantly in his elder years.

With tough questions, I’m afraid that his inability to answer directly will only do more harm than good. Fingers crossed that he says all of the right things in the right way.

by HorseKick2008 on Jan 13, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: meandering responses

You try answering a question for literally the 400th time and see how concise and enthusiastic you are.

Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®

by leeharvey418 on Jan 13, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I read this opinion elsewhere, but it bears repeating here. I wonder if this interview is why the Board released a statement about Paterno this week (i.e., it was their lame attempt to “get in front of the story”).

Joe is still a tenured professor of the University, and so, if were to do an interview of any kind, he would most probably need permission from the school (or at least give notification to the school that he was doing an interview). Thus, the statement from the Board. (It might be all a coincidence, but it would be a pretty big one.)

On a somewhat unrelated point, I wonder if the worm is starting to turn in this whole affair. Even the Bleacher Report (a sport source I am not fond of) had this story:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1022947-for-joe-paterno-morality-was-a-weapon-of-mass-destruction

Let’s hope this newly-appearing rationality can become more widespread in the media in their coverage of PSU.

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 13, 2012 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Rational thought

many times takes longer then knee-jerk reactions. So the story should change some, as time goes on, unless more damning information comes out, which we know a few people are hoping for. The problem is so many people are only capable of handling one input, and take awhile to let additional thoughts move in, if at all.

by FB6244 on Jan 13, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I can only agree with and rec this statement.

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 13, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you're right.

I personally think it wasn’t rational thought that caused this outrage, but just people’s willingness to destroy. We tend to be a very destructive species and jump at the opportunity to bring down in minutes what took someone a lifetime to accomplish.

I do think that rational thought will eventually dictate how these events are recorded and understood, but as far as personal sentiment, I’m much more reluctant to think that will change for most people. Doing so forces them to not only admit that they were wrong, but to reconcile themselves with a high moral standard.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 13, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd be surprised if he hadn't.

Wick Sollers has to be perfectly aware that at some point Joe is going to be the target of at least one civil suit, and it’s better to weed out malicious (dare I say – libelous?) ‘news’ pieces as quickly as possible.

Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®

by leeharvey418 on Jan 13, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I tried reading that

but I could’t get over the one sentence per paragraph format. For some reason that annoys me way more than it should.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 13, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I know exactly what you mean

A complete and complex paragraph seems be going away these days, and replaced by one sentence paragraphs. Really shouldn’t, but it annoys me as well.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin

by AriesGD on Jan 13, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

NO IT SHOULD FUCKING ANNOY YOU.

IT’S HORSESHIT.

I'm the XBOX to your Atari.

by WorldBFat on Jan 13, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh it does

But it is one of those things that I can’t control or change, so I am pissed, just not raging about it.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin

by AriesGD on Jan 14, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

"academic freedom?"

If he’s a tenured professor, then he should be able to say whatever the hell he wants and do interviews with anyone he wants to. That’s the whole point of tenure – to let faculty pursue research, etc, with freedom.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 14, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you completely, but I find the timing a bit odd for the revised Board statement regarding Paterno, i.e., why would they make it now?

If he didn’t notify them of the interview, then they very probably caught wind of it somehow. I don’t know why they would have bothered making the statement at all. I suppose they might have timed it to coincide with the Erickson meetings w/ the alumni, but, if so, I don’t think it helped Erickson take any less heat (i.e., it was ineffectual).

Maybe we’ll find out someday…

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 14, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Story needs to be advanced

Although many of us here have been saying the same things since the beginning, I think this is one of the better commentaries I’ve read that explains the media’s high-tech lynching of Joe Paterno and Penn State. Hopefully, the story will somehow be advance to major sports media.

I supported the overthrow of the media van. I would also support a boycott of ESPN’s game day when they roll into Penn State next year to cover the 7-0 OSU vs. 7-0 PSU game; that is, unless Joe is offered a loud public apology by the sports media before then.

by uforabin on Jan 14, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Brilliant.

I would hope our university bans espn’s gameday (I am purposely using lowercase regarding “that” network to symbolize their insignificance). But since our BoT has proven they have absolutely no fucking spines whatsoever in terms of standing up to the media and telling espn to fucking get lost, I suggest the next time gameday shows it’s fugly face around here we all protest in front of the set LONG LOUD AND HARD, and then LONGER LOUDER and HARDER until espn gets the hint that we disapprove of their lynching of our Joe.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 14, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If they show up

there should be so many signs being held up that they have to stick to tight camera shots the entire day. Nothing obscene just stuff like:
Enabled
Syracuse
Pervsion,
Nice!
I’ll pitch in for the art supplies.

by cs93 on Jan 14, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hope this is nothing like

the infamous CBS “interview” with Mike McQueary.

/snowglobe’d

The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.

We (Still) Are...

by PSU_Buch on Jan 13, 2012 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

Cutting Room Floor

Although Joe may have seemed slow during this year’s press conferences, he took his time, gave thoughtful consideration to legitimate questions, and provided in depth and thoughtful answers. I expect he will do the same with this interview. My concern is that the newspaper will edit the interview in such a way as to convey their bias.

by uforabin on Jan 14, 2012 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

Cool.

Do you have any links we could see so that we don’t totally hate the media?

by Ab4PSU on Jan 14, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to clarify

My concern was not with the columnist. I was concerned that the newspaper and its editors might use their power to impose their biases. Thankfully, that concern was unfounded.

by uforabin on Jan 18, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The link at the top is active now

You may have to register with WP.com, but it is there now.

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 14, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Well said.

And I agree.

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 14, 2012 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

Meant to be a reply to MainLion

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 14, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing surprising here

Joe was his usual magnanimous self. Handled the situation exactly as we thought he did.

Commenters are their usual vile, vindictive selves too.

by bubba0077 on Jan 14, 2012 4:46 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I learned long ago to never read comments on any news story, well before this scandal broke.

I always wanted a way to know who are these people who write the most vile things on the internet. Who has that kind of time?

by mleepsu08 on Jan 14, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Pitt fans?

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 14, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I signed up to be able to read the whole article. As an unrepentant and avowed apologist, I was in tears.

Thinking perhaps there was some tiny thawing of the hate, I did read most of the comments. The tears dried, and the blood pressure went up. I do wonder sometimes at the script-like hate comments. (Almost word for word from site to site.) There must be a lot of copy and paste because original thoughts are few and far between. Lots of sad and unhappy people.

Actually, did learn one unrelated fact that was Coach’s salaries. While I knew they were modest, didn’t realize just how modest. Reminded me of when I graduated and started earning about the same or more than my Dad after he’d worked about 30 years. Realized then what a sacrifice it had been to send me to college.

by be4time on Jan 14, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What I found interesting

1 – JoePa did not know of the 1998 report
2 – JoePa didn’t follow up as he didn’t want to sway opinion or actions one way or the other
3 – He was offered a crazy amount of money to ditch PSU in 73 and stuck around

All in all, I thought it was a good article. I sure hope he gets well soon – sounds like a struggle.

by BooyahPSU on Jan 14, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

4. his self-awareness to realize he was not competent to deal with this

Is not a bad thing. Let’s face it, he was a football coach, would you really want this guy leading the charge? Of course, people will use this against him.

by psualum9931 on Jan 14, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Completely Agree

I think a lot of the article was simply to show that Paterno is human, a person just like the rest of us. One that gets cancer, one that drinks pepsi, one that has dealt with adversity in life, etc. – He is not God, he does not run PSU or Happy Valley as a dictator.

I think his self-awareness is a vital piece to understanding this whole story.

by BooyahPSU on Jan 14, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I have to admit being a little disappointed

I was really hoping that at least there would be a more solid counter to the “where was the follow-up?” argument. OK, he didn’t want to influence the “investigation”, but I can just see the haters continuing to have a field day with this.

That being said, considering the lack of any other incriminating information on JS at the time, I believe he did what he thought was best. Unfortunately, it looks dreadful with the benefit of hindsight.

by cs93 on Jan 14, 2012 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

The folks who are out to burn Paterno

aren’t going to be swayed by anything an interview like this would provide. These are the folks outraged by a grand jury report and ESPN marketing who just want to see the entire school burned to the ground.

by smashtheguitar on Jan 14, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Sadly, yes

It’s the race to see who can be most outraged over child abuse. Interestingly enough, there have been a couple articles in some outlets where comments were limited to registered Facebook users only. Amazing how much more civil the comments were when they can’t be done in the anonymity of mom’s basement.

by cs93 on Jan 14, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Examples?

I’d really like to read a few of those…

Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®

by leeharvey418 on Jan 15, 2012 7:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

I’m searching – the one that stood out to me was in Chicago I think.
In the meanwhile, chew on this article which is sympathetic to my point.

by cs93 on Jan 15, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

I’m at a loss. The one or two sites that were doing that are now lost in the latest wave of hate rolling over Joe as a result of the interview. I cannot stomach searching through those right now – i’m already on blood pressure medication and this won’t help.

by cs93 on Jan 15, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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