Video from Curley & Schultz Lawyers & mostly Odds a with few Ends
by aurabass on Jan 17, 2012 6:17 PM EST
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PrintTake a few minutes and watch the lawyers for Curley and Schultz address the media on the Perjury charges brought by Attorney General Linda Kelly against the Athletic Director and the Sr. VP. These charges should never have been brought and the lawyers do a good job of explaining corroboration and the fact that Perjury cannot be successfully prosecuted when it is one person's word against another's word involving a conversation. Farrell is particularly good on "actions speak louder".
1) ROBERTO ON THE CURLEY PERJURY CHARGE 2) FARRELL ON THE SCHULTZ PERJURY CHARGE
On Friday (CBS) STATE COLLEGE, Pa. Pleas Entered in Perjury & Failure to Report Cases- Two former Penn State officials have plead NOT GUILTY to charges relating to the child sex abuse scandal involving The Second Mile paid consultant Jerry Sandusky.
NO surprise there this past Friday but I wonder if the strange Attorney General expected a guilty plea to her bogus charges.
in addition some recently discovered articles of interest in the Sandusky Sex Scandal below the jump
Sandusky Made $457,000 From The Second Mile Despite Child Sex Allegations
In 2001, The Second Mile began paying Sandusky an annual "consulting" fee of $57,000, tax documents reviewed by FoxNews.com show. The fees added up to $457,000 over eight years. Raykovitz was informed in 2002 by Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley that an individual had reported to Curley that he was uncomfortable about seeing inappropriate contact by Sandusky in the locker room shower with a young boy.
I thought Sandusky was an unpaid volunteer contributing time to his charity. Now we learn he was a paid consultant. Consulting on what - we don't want to know.
The Second Mile, in 2010 after releasing Sandusky, reported having seven full-time employees. Two of them took home in excess of $100,000 from the organization: Mr. Raykovitz, who is the CEO and president, and his wife, executive vice president Katherine Genovese took home a combined $233,000 a year.adding up to 2 million dollars after Tim Curley informed Raykovitz of the allegations of inappropriate behavior by McQueary that prompted Curley and Schultz to ban Sandusky from bringing children to Penn State facilities. This further suggest a need to learn where The Second Mile spent 24 million in revenues since 2002.
Curley and Schultz were not informed of a sexual assault by Paterno or McQueary. At best McQueary told them about "inappropriate contact of a sexual nature" - a far cry from sexual assault.Why did the Attorney General claim Schultz and Curley were required to report suspicions?
Top administration officials at PSU, Curley and Schultz, after receiving a report of the sexual assault from both a graduate assistant and the coach Paterno, failed to report the incident, as required by law
The law in 2002 did not require Paterno, Curley or Schultz to report suspicions but Raykovitz was subject to that law. Does the Attorney General not know the law?
The 2002 law required that the abused child come directly in contact with a person in his or her professional capacity in order for that person to be considered a mandatory reporter. The law was then amended in 2007 to broaden the reporting requirements
Second Mile CEO implicated in failure to report in Sandusky scandal
Raykovitz has not been charged in the sex-abuse scandal even though PA law says anyone who works with children must report suspicions of child abuse " "A fair reading of the statute would implicate the CEO of the charity in the event he received a report or information regarding possible abuse,"
Raykovitz with a PhD in psychology was the CEO of the Second Mile subject to the Pennsylvania Mandatory Reporting law as a psychologist and head of an organization that constantly dealt with children. Why was Raykovitz not charged with failure to report? Raykovitz was in a position of responsibility for the victims of Jerry Sandusky who was being paid by The Second Mile and a trained psychologist who could have located and interviewed Second Mile kids with whom Sandusky spent time
Rick Santorum Does Not Know What's Being Taught at PSU After Learning of the Scandal
Rick Santorum weighed in, with the former Pennsylvania senator saying the controversy left him feeling "punched in the gut." "Heads have rolled, but we're not done yet, and we shouldn't be done yet," Santorum, a 1980 Penn State graduate, said on CNN. "I don't know what's being taught up there anymore."
"We're not done yet"? What does Santorum have to do with teaching at Penn State? Is he trying to make people believe that pedophile enabling is being taught at Penn State? Does he think banning Penn State from a bowl game is better for the victims than raising 1.5 million dollars for an awareness program?
Pennsylvanian politicians and particularly Rick Santorum, a Penn State alum who once sponsored Sandusky for a ‘Congressional Angels in Adoption’ award have been vocal in attacking Penn State. Santorum has made sure to make the most of this unusual media moment. He has announced he’s "devastated" and made a big splash when he said "Penn State should be banned from bowl play this year".
These odds and ends all have connection to public perception that was intentionally focused on Penn State by the misleading statements and the bogus Perjury Charges laid on Penn State by the Attorney General Kelly. Kelly's inaccuracies fueled a Media Frenzy that brought a firestorm of negativity about Penn State into court of public opinion. Her presentment description was a LIE, her press release cover up conspiracy and equivalency claim bizarre and misleading, and her application of the law dead wrong for 2002.
I suppose this information could have been made into a fanshot or added to the already over long Rabbit Hole -Second Mile Deep post - but it should be more fun to discuss these additions separately. Can't wait to hear what PSU people think of this frothy mixture of videos and articles since there hasn't been much discussion of the far more comprehensive Rabbit Hole.
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I hope this results in some discussion of Raykovitz role
since the Rabbit Hole post was so long and detailed.
Seems to me the CEO of the organization for children that paid Sandusky was required by law to investigate and report the McQueary suspicions. This entire scandal should have involved PSU and Paterno as a side note and The Second Mile as the primary concern.
Every victim was a Second Mile child and Sandusky was the paid consultant responsible with Raykovitz the trained psychologist who interacted with him on a consistent basis.
Now the Attorney General and the Governor have made themselves central figures in this case because of the misleading statements and lies while bringing bogus charges and failing to investigate The Second Mile thoroughly.
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This is a shame as it just shows that bigger fish get bigger lines.
No need to actually investigate any crimes. Just snoop around and see if you can ignite a shitstorm. No one ever heard of the Second Mile so that won’t get any headlines. Oh well. We’ll just destroy a proud school instead.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
I didn't know that Santorum was a Nittany Lion. That's embarrassing.
“I don’t know what’s being taught up there anymore.”
Gee they’re probably teaching us about science and reason. I guess they didn’t back in the 80s. Whoops. Oh well it’s slightly topical.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
He might change the curriculum
to creationism, dominion, and theocracy. I don’t know how the students would react to that.
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That guy is a bum. No surprise he'd sacrifice his own alma mater for political expediency.
he did the same thing to common sense, why not betray your school?
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
Nothing says integrity quite like betrayal.
Unfortunately it seems to be the trend.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 18, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I once met Santorum in passing
at a political conference in DC. Since I was traveling with fellow students, we let out a “WE ARE”. All we got was a blank stare.
he was too busy trying to come up with a way to stop you from doing that
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
The definition of sexual assault in PA includes rape
And any intercourse with a person younger than 13 years of age is defined as rape under PA state law.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Sorry but I don't understand the relevance of this comment here
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you wrote that
“Curley and Schultz were not informed of a sexual assault by Paterno or McQueary. At best McQueary told them about “inappropriate contact of a sexual nature” – a far cry from sexual assault."
Inappropriate conduct of a sexual nature with a person under the age of 13 fits the PA law’s definition of sexual assault.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I suppose we could nit pick the statements and definitions
from what I gather from the testimony of those involved
Schultz thought he was hearing that Sandusky was wrestling or engaging in horseplay with the boy and there might have been inadvertent touching of the genitals
Curley thought he was hearing about inappropriate behavior and horseplay
Joe thought he was hearing about inappropriate possibly something of a sexual nature
McQueary thinks he conveyed something of an extremely sexual nature
My summation is “inappropriate contact of a sexual nature” at best – is what McQueary conveyed back in 2002 because I cannot find any motive for Curley or Schultz to sweep anything more compelling or graphic “under the rug” and cannot see any evidence of a conspiracy to cover up.
The “inappropriate contact” they assumed was inadvertent touching while engaged in horseplay
and that is not “sexual assault” by any definition or at least sexual assault is not what Curley and Schultz would call it.
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No motive for Curley and Schultz to sweep child rape under the rug?
Are you crazy? What about the cash cow that is Penn State football? Even if Sandusky was just a emeritus professor, that guy raping a kid at the PSU football facility had the ability to do terrible damage to the PSU brand — Curley and Schultz were both concerned with protecting the brand. Pretty clear motive to me.
And who cares what Curley and Schultz would call it. You seem to be arguing with the AG’s word choice, and “sexual assault” fits the AG’s witness’ (i.e. McQueary’s) testimony.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Schultz did not try to sweep it under the rug in 1998.
Not sure why he would be inclined to in 2002.
by dontcallmescooter on Jan 18, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Schultz testified that he wasn't aware of a UPPS report on the 1998 investigation.
Not that it’s ‘sweeping it under the rug’, but it’s not exactly being on top of the situation either.
Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®
by leeharvey418 on Jan 18, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I will look it up
But I believe that Harmon testified that he told Schultz of the 1998 investigation and that Schultz did nothing to interfere.
by dontcallmescooter on Jan 18, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I believe you're correct on both counts.
I also recall Schultz having testified to the Grand Jury that he wasn’t aware of the existence of an extensive police report in 1998. It’s basically my latest justification for thinking there should actually be a statute that defines Criminal Stupidity.
Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®
by leeharvey418 on Jan 18, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
You crack me up leeharvey
I enjoy your comments and agree with most of them
but really? I see this situation quite differently
Here’s a VP who is basically in charge of the facilities and he has a 10 minute meeting with Curley & McQueary in Mar of 02 where he thinks he hears a calm McQueary tell about an inappropriate incident of horseplay or wrestling between a boy and the founder of a popular charity and foster father known to be physical with everyone who might have inadvertently touched genitals while wrestling. . It really strikes him as unimportant since he knows Sandusky and his proclivity for “headlocks, wrestling, punches in the shoulder”.
McQueary tells him about 3 slapping sounds and a couple of two second glances and his suspicion that something inappropriate was happening that “wasn’t all that serious”. He isn’t trained to deal with this stuff.
Gary buys air conditioning systems, has plumbing repaired, deals with renovations, maintenance, janitors, repairmen, lights, security etc. He has no expertise in judging the activities of a charity founder and the kids who are served by that charity. Like everyone else he thinks they help kids and that’s a good thing.
STUPIDITY? well total ignorance on that subject certainly but this isn’t a stupid man when it comes to facilities management. This is 10 days after the event and MM is calm while Gary is asking himself – If this was a big deal of some sexual assault why didn’t this big strong young coach step in and at least ask the kid if he was in trouble"
I don’t see why we should expect something different from this guy. He certainly didn’t take this as a serious problem that might hurt the university
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My problem is really with the system, of which Schultz was a part.
I have almost no doubt that the reason Schultz was brought into the meeting with McQueary was because there was a ‘procedures manual’ for senior administration that said that in cases where potential criminal activity occurred, Schultz was to represent Police Services. The system was created to deal with things like, at worst, a student claiming that a professor had made sexual advances. This is the same type of internal reporting that is supposed to occur in practically every corporation or university in the county, and I think that it’s absolutely asinine – especially when the university in question has a sworn, uniformed police force in-house.
I’ve said at least once before that the Sandusky affair is a lot like 9/11/01 in that events were allowed to occur because no one ever imagined that they could happen the way they did. Schultz and Curley made the decision to not involve Police Services because they were given the prerogative to do so. Had they gotten anyone involved who recognized that there were too many uncomfortable similarities between 1998 and 2002, then maybe the Grand Jury could have convened six years sooner and we wouldn’t be discussing this now.
Yeah, Schultz bought air conditioning systems and had plumbing repaired, etc. – that doesn’t mean that if he’s not competent to receive statements from potential witnesses in criminal matters, that’s it’s not his responsibility to pipe up and let somebody know that maybe they should get Tom Harmon to take some notes. Graham Spanier was obviously comfortable with Schultz’ decision-making abilities when it came to determining whether a criminal investigation was warranted.
I feel like I’m not getting a coherent thought put together – been feeling that way a lot the last few weeks. Hopefully I’ve gotten enough thoughts in print to get my point across as to why I hold Schultz and Spanier (and the BOT who were comfortable with them having power) responsible.
Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®
by leeharvey418 on Jan 18, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I understand your position
but I simply see it differently
Had they gotten anyone involved who recognized that there were too many uncomfortable similarities between 1998 and 2002, then maybe the Grand Jury could have convened six years sooner and we wouldn’t be discussing this now.
It seems to me because I would have thought it at the time – that those similarities would work strongly in favor of not making this a police matter. If the “same thing” happened in 98 why would anyone expect a different outcome?
If the mindset is “charity founder and foster father working out with charity/foster kid was found to acceptable in 98 why would it be found unacceptable in 02 – not knowing who this kid was and exactly what his relationship with Sandusky was” – then the obvious thing is to kick it over to Jack Raykovitz. Raykovitz is the guy closest to Sandusky and it’s Second Mile kids that would obviously be involved because Sandusky is always around Second Mile kids. It’s his job and his life. Raykovitz should know if there is something wrong with this. We are Univ administrators not the authority on acceptable behavior between Second Mile people and the kids they are responsible for helping. Raykovitz is the Dr. of Psychology and Sandusky is his ally. Let Raykovitz decide the appropriate action.
That’s exactly how I would handle it under the same circumstances. I don’t want to cause a hassle for Second Mile or Sandusky and the kid did not seem distressed or in pain and McQueary didn’t seem upset enough to make a big deal about it. I understand he was concerned about the naked old guy in the shower with a boy thing. So I don’t know what the best thing to do is and putting this ball in Raykovitz court seems like the obvious solution.
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You're really going here?
Gary buys air conditioning systems, has plumbing repaired, deals with renovations, maintenance, janitors, repairmen, lights, security etc. He has no expertise in judging the activities of a charity founder and the kids who are served by that charity. Like everyone else he thinks they help kids and that’s a good thing.
When it suits your purposes, Schultz isn’t a cop anymore?
Page 118 Harmon’s testimony – “I called Mr. Schultz and told him pretty much just what I have related to the Court about the incident. I also told him that we were contacting the Centre County District Attorneyfor guidance in the handling of the case.”
He told Schultz that he was contacting the DA (someone outside of Penn State). Subsequently, Harmon testified that he did not interfere in any way with the investigation. He did not sweep it under the rug in 1998, and there were no negative repercussions for Penn State.
In the same hearing, McQueary testified that no one told him not to discuss the 2002 incident. If they were sweeping it under the rug, don’t you think they would have said, don’t talk to the media about it?
I have problems understanding what motives Paterno, Curley, or Schultz would have had to bury it.
by dontcallmescooter on Jan 18, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, aurabass is arguing with the AG's word choice.
In fact, if any reasonable person were to take what McQueary’s testimony said that he conveyed to Curley and Schultz in its entirety and without embellishment, there would be no possible conclusion other than that no intercourse was reported.
Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®
by leeharvey418 on Jan 18, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Complete answer to your "cover Up" allegation
What would have been the downside for PSU if McQueary, Dranov, Joe Paterno, and the PSU administrators had reported the strange “3 slap & 1 or 2 second glances” suspicion of Mike McQueary to police and child services? How would that have damaged the men who did not believe Mike McQueary’s suspicions credible enough to involve police when compared with their view of the Second Mile Charity founder and foster father of six?
1) An investigation like the 1998 investigation could have been initiated.
Claiming that an investigation of Jerry Sandusky might have harmed the football program or the university seems odd given that Sandusky was investigated just 3 years prior to the 2002 incident when he was actually employed by PSU. No harm to PSU came from that investigation did it?
1b) Suppose a police investigation had implicated Sandusky and he had been arrested, tried, and convicted. We can argue about any potential damage that might have done to PSU. I suspect any damage to be minimal if any. Since AD Tim Curley spoke to Sandusky and we have the contention by the defense that this boy has claimed he was not molested – and he has not been identified it seems the available information tends to support another investigation with no charges. But I find it difficult to credit any idea that Curley, Schultz or Spanier would fear investigation or conviction.
2) Did any money change hands?
Some who argue cover up and conspiracy contend a guilty Sandusky would cost PSU money in sports revenues. Would State College residents and other alumni stop buying football tickets or T Shirts because a criminal had been caught who was a former coach? Would TV revenues or donations have suffered from a successful conviction of a predator 4 years removed from PSU employment?
3) Would careers be wrecked or jobs lost?
Would Doctors McQueary and Dranov, Joe Paterno, Curley, Schultz or Spanier have been fired or lost money if a GA’s suspicions resulted in the conviction of a former coach? The obvious answer to that is NO.
4) Is there any evidence of collusion, cover up or conspiracy?
Read the testimony of Paterno Curley and Schultz in the Perjury Hearing Transcript page 173 forward is the reading of their Grand Jury Testimony. If you can find any evidence of an attempt by Curley, Schultz, and Paterno trying to get their stories straight about a couple of 10 minute meetings with Mike McQueary in 2002 please post it in the comments. No one asked Mike McQueary to remain silent. They did not draw up a statement for him to sign. No one threatened him with dismissal as a coach. They didn’t even record the meeting or take minutes. Take my word for it – the obvious evidence shows no attempt to match testimonies or shape them to avoid any suspicion of a cover up. If anything the rather muddled testimony recollecting a 10 minute meeting in 2002 seemed completely unconsidered, confused, and unrehearsed. If this was a cover up it was completely mismanaged by very intelligent people.
So we have a very insubstantial and debatable motive, no monetary reward, no threat to employment, and good evidence that no collusion took place to support this widely held idea that some cover up conspiracy promoted by the Attorney General existed at Penn State. When you break it down the conspiracy by cover up is plainly ABSURD.
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"When you break it down the conspiracy by cover up is plainly ABSURD."
yeah but it's just so riveting!
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
Your position is essentially
Spanier, Curley, Schultz, etc all did the right thing? You think that accusations of Jerry Sandusky sodomizing a ten-year old in the Lasch building couldn’t harm Penn State? The damage that would have been done was not so much directly to Schutlz and Curley, but to Penn State at large and the football program in particular.
The ability to debate a motive doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
I don’t think there was an active cover-up. I don’t think money changed hands. I think the most likely scenario was that Schultz and Curley hoped that this would just go away. And so they chose to keep quiet. They shouldn’t have.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Curley, Schultz, Paterno, and McQueary all agree that McQueary never reported “anal” “rape” or “sodomy” according to the testamony in Curley and Schultz prelim hearing. There is some dispute about what they were told. But there were not told of sodomy.
by dontcallmescooter on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
BTW – Take a look at Farrell’s comments after the prelim hearing. They are very compelling and persuasive.
by dontcallmescooter on Jan 19, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
They did not keep quiet
they reported what they were told to Jack Raykovitz at Second Mile
and I’ve gone into great detail as to why that was exactly the right thing to do
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cash cow
congrats on being the millionth person to use the phrase ‘cash cow’ in regards to PSU football. I don’t even know where that expression came from or why it means what it does
by moosepsu on Jan 18, 2012 9:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
odd that spakajewia
thinks the arrest and prosecution of a former employee would hurt football ticket sales or TV revenues. I can’t imagine why any Penn State fan would quit going to ballgames because a predator got thrown in jail. But that’s just me.
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You can't imagine why any PSU fan would quit going to ballgames
because a former coach was thrown in jail for sodomizing a ten year old boy at the football building? You have a terrible imagination.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
NO I can't imagine a PSU fan
abandoning a team and activity they enjoy because a former coach turned out to be a monster. It isn’t the team;s fault of the programs fault
and if you think that’s acceptable – blaming the team or the program – I’m sure there will be someone who would enjoy your seat.
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I'll continue to go to as many games as I do now (1 or 2 a year)
but I can imagine other people not renewing their tickets, etc.
As an alum, I think that the University administration failed from the top down. The only person involved in this scandal who’s reputation should be improved is McQueary, as he’s the only one who had any guts from PSU.
You can make all of the apologies and rationalizations for Schultz, Curley, Spanier and Paterno that you want, but the sad fact is that if any of those guys had done more, the University would be in a better position today. I love my alma mater and always will. My goal isn’t to denigrate PSU, but I hope that the university community as a whole takes this opportunity to have an honest look in the mirror to see where are warts are. Pretending they don’t exist doesn’t do anyone any good.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
So you don't think McQuery had more of
a reason to go to the police, being the eyewitness, when he saw nothing was being done than Paterno did?
That is strange.
McQueary should have done more, too
Of course. But he had the guts to go to Paterno and talk about this. I don’t for a second want to imagine who hard that was for him, and it’s completely unfair how badly he’s been damaged in all of this.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I guess in my mind if McQuery was sure
he saw the actual act occuring that the presentment says he did, he SHOULD have done more. Paterno COULD have done more, but if he was told by both Curley and McQuery that things were handled I completely see why he didn’t.
I am not sure how gutsy McQuery actually was, but I agree he was unfairly treated by many.
And as a matter of fact
Attendance: 107903 for the Nebraska game after the story and Presentment became public knowledge vs
Attendance: 97828 for the Illinois game before the story broke
So attendance did not suffer – in fact it improved – although the Ill game was for JoePa’s record with snow.
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Well, we will see this year. I suspect attendance will be down. The Illinois game was during some bad weather.
by dontcallmescooter on Jan 20, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Could be
but what does it have to do with Sandusky?
or the fact that JoePa is no longer there?
or the team has a new coach?
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Cash Cow is from the Boston Consulting Group Matrix
Used to describe a mature business that has a dominant market share in their industry and, therefore, generates a lot of cash. I believe it was called a cow, because you were supposed to milk it. I believe the other catagories were dog, star, and question mark. I found this interesting, and learned about it back at Penn State.
by dontcallmescooter on Jan 19, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting. thanks for the knowledge!
by moosepsu on Jan 19, 2012 12:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
There is absolutely no evidence they tried to sweep it under the rug.
Complete incompetance yes.
Wow - Farrell's comments were very compelling
I never saw that on the evening news.
by dontcallmescooter on Jan 18, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions
No showing that on the evening news doesn't fit the media narrative
Actions speak louder
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Anybody seen "Ides of March"
too bad Clooney isn’t the real Gov of PA. Can’t imagine that character blaming PSU.
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OK who's the voter that wants Santorum on the BoT?
Fess up M?
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