Something I hope BOB doesn't bring with him from New England
by psu87intn on Jan 18, 2012 3:26 PM EST
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Although I was very skeptical about BOB's hire, I've mostly come around to general support because I've been impressed with how he's handled himself thus far (staff hiring aside--there are so many factors that had to go into that, I don't think it's fair to judge until I see them in action.)
I was always relatively neutral about the Patriots until Spygate, which gave me a serious distaste. NE having a propensity to run up the score just made it worse. So to see them have Brady punt the ball on 3rd down, with just over 3 minutes to go in the game and NE up by 35 points--in my opinion, that just was a classless, arrogant move. They couldn't just run the ball on third down, not make the 1st down, and punt like normal? It's not like the game was in jeopardy.
I'm hoping that was a Belichick call and not O'Brien. Because if I ever see anything like that happen with Penn State, I'll have to reconsider my support.
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I thought not taking Brady out of the game in the fourth quarter was the height of stupidity. Unjustifiable in any way, shape or form.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Agree with jessedot's point, not yours.
Even running, there is a chance for a turnover. Why not punt and ensure that they have a longer field? I’ve seen Joe do similar by kicking a FG on 3d down, for the very same reason.
Brady being in was the height of stupidity.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Jan 18, 2012 3:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It wasn't the punting,
It was why have Brady do it? I understand the “surprise” factor, but the game wasn’t it doubt. It seemed more like “see, you guys are so bad, we’re going to have our QB punt!” Even if he did a good job at it, it was just tasteless.
Ehh
I wasn’t offended. Agree to disagree.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Jan 18, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So,
if Mesko came out and booted one out of bounds at the one on 3rd down you would have been ok with it?
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 18, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
So if Brady...
…comes out on 4th down against the Ravens and punts the ball (to the Ravens surprise), are you still going to have that same viewpoint?
Seems to me like the Pats were trying something that you wouldn’t normally try in a close game.
I wondered why they wasted the trick play.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I stopped watching the game by then
and I’m almost sure that was probably a BB call, but right now…I hope we get in the position to run up a score(not actually do it but know we can) after the last two years of offensive fireworks
Believe deep down in your heart that you are destined to do great things
I'm all for being in a position to do it
and then restraint.
I don't know much about Belichick
but I honestly consider him to be the antithesis of success with honor. Between Spygate, his arrogance, his hoodie, and the way he runs up the score, that’s the opinion I get of him. This is not to say that he’s not a great coach, but just that I don’t agree with his approach to the game. I didn’t watch the game, but I’ve heard several criticisms about his decisions, including putting a wide receiver at defensive end at some point. It’s just not the attitude I want to see from the coach of Penn State, it’s more like the attitude of the coach I’d expect our coach to punch in the face.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 18, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I try to use
antithesis as much as I possibly can
Believe deep down in your heart that you are destined to do great things
Oh come on,
I get the rest of the criticisms to some extent, but who doesn’t like a huge ole’ middle finger to NFL sideline clothing policy?
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 18, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. The clothing policy is stupid
Itd be one thing if it was a dress code to make everyone look respectable. But Bellichik is actually proving a point, which is “The NFL doesnt give a shit what you look like, as long as a Reebok logo is visible.” Gotta respect him for that.
When Mike Nolan’s dad died, and he tried to wear a suit to a game, the NFL made Reebok or whomever invent a suit instead of just letting him wear one he owned. Stupid nonsense.
Dr. Samuel Johnson's right about Olsen Johnson being right.
That said, is he proving a point or is he just a dirtbag who figured out what he can get away with?
This is the same issue as the Pedobear costume. He’s just doing it because he can, not to make some grand statement.
I'm the XBOX to your Atari.
also i think hes proving a point
he didnt hear sleeveless hoodies in cleveland or New York. he wore sweatshirts sometimes, but they didnt look like dishrags.
Though he also wore some questionable hair accoutrments:
EXHIBIT A
If he really wanted to prove a point he'd wear a Reebok-branded banana hammock.
driving the 60 year old divorcees wild
I'm the XBOX to your Atari.
Like the effects of a cold day
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
That's the upscale homeless look, from JC Penny
He’s strictly K-Mart now.
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by kijana's acl on Jan 19, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
That's really bad.
But there is only so much you can do with the Browns Color scheme.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Agree on Mike Nolan and Del Rio.
Both wanted to weat suits. Reebok said they would design Reebok suits with Reebok logos that they would also sell to the public. They designed them, did market testing to see if they could sell them to the public, determined that they could not sell them profitably, and so told the NFL the coaches could not wear suits.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 18, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
They did wear suits that one season
I think they wore reebok pins on the lapels, but they retired the program after one season.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
That was the season they were "developing"
a Reebok line of suits. Although my recollection is that they gave the league and coaches a week by week exemption to wear them, and made the coaches apply to the league for an exemption each week to do so. I believe they pulled the plug before the regular season even ended and the coaches exemption applications were denied eventually during the season.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 18, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think they were each allowed to do it twice.
Kind of like an alternate jersey. But Reebok developing a suit is stupid because it’s so obviously stupid.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Well, have you considered
all the young kids who want to be coaches. It will be like the coaching
shoe the clothing company wanted to sell in Mighty Ducks 27. The air
Bombays.
But I do remember for sure that the coaches eventually filed for one of the exemptions towards the end of the season and were given the impression that the exemptions would just be automatically granted. Only to have them denied. And it was because Reebok had officially pulled the plug.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 18, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt he'd be wearing a suit if he was allowed.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I never said that.
I don’t think I even implied that, did I? I’m not saying he wouldn’t either. He grew up on the sideline at the Naval Academy with his dad, so I feel comfortable he believes in respecting the game, but I don’t know that he’d wear a suit.
But I do believe it’s a “you are going to tell me I have to pick something to wear from these clothes, then I’m going to pick the ugliest thing. And I’m going to make it even uglier if it’s within the rules.”
They literally give coaches access to a rack of Reebok clothes to pick their game day attire from. And it’s the only stuff they’re allowed to wear. Intentionally picking the worst and mutilating it appears to me to be a very intentional middle finger to that policy.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 18, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
And if he is defying The Man,
I personally have no problem with that. Our JoePa could be subversive: Recall that he said something to the effect of, “If everyone else’s uniforms were sedate, we would jazz ours up.” By keeping our unis as plain as possible he was “cocking a snook” at the establishment and other teams.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 18, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't think that's true.
Tony Dungy wore a sweater vest. I’m pretty sure if Belichick weighed in with something he’d like to wear, they’d have it for him.
Another thing, I have the exact sweatshirt he wears. It’s awesome. It’s super comfortable, warm as hell, and really easy to layer under (it’s also like $80 at retail). It’s actually designed to rip down the neck (for what reason I’ve never determined), but I imagine that he cuts the sleeves off for comfort. I live in sweatshirts (plain grey ones like JoePa) and after awhile cutting the sleeves off instead of rolling them up all the time makes a weird manner of sense. I honestly think he is wearing exactly what he wants to be wearing, in a manner that he finds most comfortable.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Tony Dungy wore a sweater vest.
Have you ever seen Tony Dungy and Jim Tressell in the same room, at the same time? Think about it before you answer!
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 18, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well,
since he will never give an honest answer to the media or public inquiries, we will have to agree to disagree.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 18, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I cut all my sweatshirts at the neck or wear zipper ones
I have an 18.5 inch neck and wear 19’s as dress shirts. Sweatshirt collars can feel snug against my larnyx.
I just read.
And, again, that's the reaction of a pre-adolescent
I have to wear a suit to work. I’d prefer to be business casual, but I’m an adult, so I do it and don’t show up in a seersucker and bow-tie (or Dumb & Dumber tux) to make some silly point.
He didn’t dress well in Cleveland, and I don’t believe that there were the same restrictions in place back then.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 19, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Truly
I believe that it’s as simple as that likes the sweatshirt. He actually has initials heat sealed on the front of it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Why not be comfortable if its legal within the dress code. I am all for that
I wear shorts 9-10 months of the year. I see other engineers ruining some nice clothes climbing over, under and around equipment. If I have a known meeting with depot commander or something planned, I will dress accordingly but everyday work has me being comfortable.
I just read.
Oh and when my wife was reading the discussion bitching about what Bellichick was wearing she called everyone on here a bunch of women.
she said, who cares what a football coach wears.
I just read.
She should check out the uniwatch blog.
If you think this place gets bizarre sometimes. There are literally whole articles with 500 comments on this exact issue. His article on Mike Nolan wearing a suit was on ESPN.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
That may be
And even though it looks shitty, I’d accept that. What I refuse to accept is that his attire is some type of political statement.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 19, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
he didnt wear sleeveless hoodies in cleveland.
there is absolutely no way to know why he does what he does, but Im almost positive its not him saying “hey, I want to be a douchbag.” He didnt dress like a homeless man until around 2003.
But he certainly didnt dress poorly in cleveland. and definitely not close to as bad as he does today.
Do yourself a favor and do a Google Images search for "Bill Belichick Cleveland"
Bill has always been fashion challenged.
I’m not saying that because he does this he’s a douchea. I’m saying that the argument that he does this as a middle finger to the NFL is infantile (if true).
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by kijana's acl on Jan 19, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I was actually going to tell you the same thing
but all i see are some browns sweatshirts, some starter jackets and some golf shirts. Nothing that bad.
Regardless, I dont care how the man dresses. I actually wish theyd all look like this
If he wanted to wear suits, he could have in the 90s
He didn’t. I really don’t care about this, but the idea that he’s oppressed (wait, is BB = M1EK?!?) and fighting back with his homeless attire is inconsistent with what I see as a history of dressing as comfortably as possible without a second’s thought of how he looks. I do the same thing on Sundays, but I’m rarely on national tv.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
It merits repeating
If BB actually wanted to wear something specific, I’m sure they’d make it for him. There is a great deal of variation between what each team has available to them. It’s actually pretty often I see a style on say the Chiefs, and try to buy in Steelers, only to find they don’t have it. Also, try to by a Mike Tomlin “puffy jacket” in Houston Texans. They don’t make a big deal about it, but the teams have say in what is sold, and what is available.
It will be interesting to see what changes when Nike takes over for Reebok next year, but my guess is things will stay pretty similar to how they are now.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Punting on that down is not the same as running up the score
In fact, you could argue that punting on third down is the antithesis of running up the score. It also gave any other defenses they might face another play to perhaps prepare for.
And, for what it’s worth, I support running up the score. Unless you can kneel on the ball and kill the clock completely, play the game at your fullest ability. Pulling punches isn’t honorable — sure, put in the third string guys if you must, but there’s nothing honorable about refusing to pass, etc when you have a lead. This is particularly true at the professional level, where these guys are paid to give their best effort at all times.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Running up the score isn't the same as giving it your all.
Just because you can score on certain play doesn’t mean you should run it every time. The point being made here is not just that the score was lopsided, but that several decisions were made during the game that seemed to be disrespectful of their opponent that were not necessary.
I would never advocate for anyone to give less than their best effort. But the coaches can make sure that the effort being given is used in a respectful manner instead of an embarrassing one.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 18, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't the best way to respect your opponent to give them your best punch?
It’s not like the Pats were playing the Little Sisters of the Poor. They were playing an NFL playoff team.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I can see calling it running up the score
When its Oregon v. Utah State. Not so much when its Oregon/Stanford. I dont think you can ever be guilty of running up the score in the NFL.
Running up the score is totally different in the NFL and college
In the NFL there are so many measures in place to make sure that competition is on a somewhat equal plane. They are professional athletes and you should have to worry about injuring others or hurting their feelings. Also, who cares about getting the back-ups “experience” you dont need to worry about getting your freshman third string back some reps for next year. You put your best players on the field and see what happens.
In college you can have Alabama playing the Newark School of the Blind. Competition can be severely lopsided. LSU, Bama, USC can basically have NFL JV teams playing against a division 1-AA, where injury is a severe threat for student athletes that are clearly on a different level. You just need to carry yourself with some class as a football team, if you are up big in the second half you can let off the gas.
woops i said essentially the same thing before i read this
my apologies.
and i obviously concur, except I believe there arent that many instances when you are guilty of running up the score in college, especially in conference (save maybe Indiana and Minnesota)
There
IS no running up the score in the NFL. It’s professional, you both get paid. You don’t like it. Stop it. In college i think you can. Wiscy did the same in our game. Wilson was in well into the 4th qtr. These kids don’t get paid. And you have plenty of guys to play. In the pro’s you only have 53 guys on game days. All’s fair.
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Agree, in pro ball there are also contract incentives
Do not pull me out of a game where I might reach one of my incentive payments.
I just read.
The Pats running up the score
is a Belichick thing, so I’m not too worried about it coming to PSU, where, and you’re absolutely right, it has no place, no matter how talented we eventually become.
That being said, I’m rooting for the Patriots to score 50+ points a game while BOB holds a “Come to Penn State” sign above his head on the sidelines.
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things."
by LAPSU on Jan 18, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm not worried either.
I don’t see McG punting against ______MAC school. (Especially since Ohio is gonna give us all we can handle 9/1, but you get my point)
Now if the opportunity presents itself against, say, oh, Wisconsin…well…..
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Ahhhhh, it might be a Pats' thing
Belichik = dick. Weiss = dick. Mangini = kind of a dick. Parcells (if you want to go back that far and up the coaching tree) = dick. Scott Pioli = dick.
I’m sensing a trend. One that I hope BOB bucks.
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by kijana's acl on Jan 18, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You forgot Josh McDaniels
Also kind of a dick.
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by LAPSU on Jan 18, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem with BOB's name being in the same sentence one day as
Belichick’s and Parcells.
I have never really had a legitimate problem with either guy past not liking them for some fan based reason.
“Belichick, Parcells, O’Brien… Those guys knew how to coach, how to win and how to get the most out of their teams while being known to give the media fits.”
I would have absolutely no problem with that sentence being written in 20 years. BOB’s comment to Cory Giger may be my next signature.
“Next question”
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
Agreed
Both are very good coaches. I just don’t believe that you have to act like a bully to be a good or great coach (see, e.g., Joe Paterno or Dean Smith).
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by kijana's acl on Jan 19, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
I hope we get the chance
to complain about this during the season.
.....that which we are, WE ARE;
One equal temper of heroic hearts
Was thinking the same thing.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
Here's Hoping
we get into a situation sometime next season where we can tell whether or not BOB will run up the score. I mean, we really were never in that situation this year!
Don't give up on psu because of a decision
the football coach makes. That said, i too am not a fan of running up the score.
keep winning ugly
There are nuances.
One could argue we ran up the score on teams such as Coastal Carolina, even though we put Tiny Tim — with his crutch — in at QB for a good part of the game.
“Running up the score” is bad form when you have your starters in for 59 minutes, and are throwing passes at the end zone instead of taking a knee.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 18, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not understanding the ire here...
Run up the middle on 3rd down and possibly get a first down or a breakaway run for a touchdown, or let my Quarterback punt the ball (obviously not his specialty) and give the ball back to the Broncos. I think the punt was the classy move. Brady just made a decent punt, which was obviously not expected, judging from his reaction and the rest of the team’s reaction. I would think running the ball again and handing it over to the actual punter would have a higher rate of success in pinning the Broncos back deep in their end of the field 9 out of 10 times that play is run.
And I agree, I would love for BOB to run up the score each and every game. Most high school offensive recruits are not looking for the “3 yards and a cloud of dust” coach. There looking for the guy who is going to give them the most opportunities for big plays and face time on TV.
by blueteeth on Jan 18, 2012 8:34 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Running up the score
Is something losing fans like to say when their team gets their ass beat. Remember when Devlin threw a bomb to Deon Butler when we were up 42-7 in the 4th quarter against Michigan State? Scoring lots of polints doesn’t make you classless. It makes you good.
I won't quibble with 2nd or 3rd string scoring
It’s leaving your first string in the whole game when you are way ahead. That’s what’s classless. And stupidly risking injury to your first string.
Off topic other than it addresses BOB
Received a note from my now-ancient PSU roomate wherein he referred to “BOB” as “O-B”, or alternatively as “Oh-Bee”. My initial thought was it sounded too “SEC”, but after thinking about it there is that potential sense of ‘future reverence’ should this candidate ever play his way to something approaching what JoePa earned. All for what it’s worth. Coach BOB still sounds too much like a FOX sunday night disaster.
In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them
I was actually saying it in
my head as B . . . O’B (Bee OH Bee) when I started seeing BOB. Didn’t realize people were saying Bob until I heard the BSD podcast.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 18, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
I only approve of running up the score if its against OSU and Wisky
by TJM5054 on Jan 18, 2012 9:02 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Yes
There is no point when I would want any PSU coach to take his foot off the gas against those two. For Wisky, I wouldn’t want to stop even if Bielema promised to resign. I have moved to irrational hate for that guy.
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by kijana's acl on Jan 19, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Its amazing what will offend people
when they already don’t like the person doing the offending.
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Don't forget
The Patriots have been putting up big numbers on offense well before BO’B was ever in a position to be calling plays. They have 5 30-point games (2 30-point wins) in 2006, 12 30-point games (3 30-point wins) in 2007, and 6 30-point games (2 30-point wins) in 2008 with Matt Cassel as QB.
The only consistent thing over that time has been Belichick; this is more of an issue with him than BO’B.
The other consistent factor...
…is they usually have a defense that will give up some points.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
True
I also think that while there are a bunch of cases where we sit back and ask why Brady’s still throwing (or even why he’s still in the game period), the NFL doesn’t seem to sit guys with big leads the way college does, unless it’s the last couple weeks of the season and a playoff spot is already locked up.
The rosters
aren’t as big only 45 actives on the 53 man roster.
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points are a tiebreaker for playoff seedings. May be far down the line
but what if you took the foot off the gas one game and missed home field advantage by 3 points.
I just read.
It's Roll Up The Score.
Duh.
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