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Tooooooo Late!

People are going to believe what they want to believe….it’s not what they read or research but what they “heard”…..the genie is out of the bottle; until a trial starts, maybe, MAYBE we will finally get to the truth. the sanctimonious Media and the Laptop Anonymous will grind their axes and the 98% of the believers will genuflect at their collective feet….when I did radio work long ago, I was told that only 2% of the audience will actuallly call the show and comment while the remaining 98% will believe what they say as gospel, truth or not….this is how we get our info nowadays and we let somebody else interpret for us….we are the 98%…besides, “I heard it on the _______ Show, so it must be true.” If enough people report it, it must be the Truth…..but it just might be tooooooo late! to tell the difference.

"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."

by DerryPharmer on Jan 19, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

Even if / when perjury charges get dropped,

I expect people to assume it is due to corruption or to legal technicalities. Minds have been made up and most people have moved on by now.

by CvilleLion on Jan 19, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The sad truth is dropped charges do not equal guilty.

Once someone is charged with something, they are typically considered guilty of it in some form regardless of the outcome. If it goes to trial, it’s likely viewed as faulty prosecution or a biased jury. If the charges are dropped prior to trial it’s likely viewed as not enough evidence. In neither case is the person considered innocent, they are just considered not guilty enough to have been convicted.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 19, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

*do not equal innocence.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 19, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This part was excellent:

(At least half a dozen writers at ESPN — Ivan Maisle, Roderick MacLeish, Tim Keown, Gene Wojchiechowski, Jemele Hill and Bryant — wrote asinine opinion pieces filled with misplaced outrage and indignation based upon the false assertions in the grand jury presentment. I wish I could say they gave sports reporters a bad name, but they’re actually quite representative of the poorly educated slugs who stink up this so-called “profession.” If you’re looking for the bottom of the barrel, however, look for Dan Bernstein)

by FB6244 on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It's so good I'll post it too - in a different color
(At least half a dozen writers at ESPN — Ivan Maisle, Roderick MacLeish, Tim Keown, Gene Wojchiechowski, Jemele Hill and Bryant — wrote asinine opinion pieces filled with misplaced outrage and indignation based upon the false assertions in the grand jury presentment. I wish I could say they gave sports reporters a bad name, but they’re actually quite representative of the poorly educated slugs who stink up this so-called “profession.” If you’re looking for the bottom of the barrel, however, look for Dan Bernstein)

He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu

by rahpsu92 on Jan 19, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he gives a little too much credit to most people.

I don’t think most people took the time to read the grand jury report, but instead just went off of the hysteria and speculation being flamed in the media. Unfortunately, this is why I don’t have much faith in long, logical and factual reports such as this having much success in changing public opinion. The amount of misinformation out there is astounding, and contradicting the foundations of that misinformation accomplishes very little in relation to the assertions out there.

Does disproving that McQueary saw anal sex accomplish much to someone believing Paterno allowed child rape to occur at his own house? Or to turn the opinions of people who believe there was systematic abuse? What the media has done is place the burden of every child molested by Sandusky on to Penn State and Paterno. Refuting the burden of 1 victim does very little to remove the burden of the other 8 or so. I appreciate the effort that went into this, and I support anyone who takes a stand for Penn State and Paterno and bases that on actual information. I’m just doubtful that it will have any impact on the majority of people out there, since the majority of people didn’t take the time to look at the facts. Instead, they went off of the allegations and speculation being hurled by the media, who will undoubtedly never admit that they were wrong.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 19, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Because my own feelings about all of this are fairly complex

I usually find something I disagree with in pieces like this. But Uhler kept it focused and mostly based in fact. I wonder, though, if a more accurate GJ presentment would have really led to less criticism of Paterno and Penn State.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 19, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

I doubt it.

As long as the media could link Paterno with information of a child being victimized in some way, and he didn’t personally stop it, they had enough to make the story what it is today.

The presentment was released on a Friday, and most of the hysteria didn’t hit until Monday. I don’t think it was necessarily the content of the presentment that caused the overall hysteria (it undoubtedly caused the initial outrage), but the lack of any action taken by the BoT and Penn State. They had a full weekend to gain control of the narrative, but instead allowed the media to run with it. By the time they tried to do anything to stop the hype, it was too late.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 19, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Who cares about the truth?

It’s way more fun to shit all over us and throw us in the trash pile of history.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."

by showtime on Jan 21, 2012 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

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