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Penn State Recruiting Class of 2012 Signing Day Primer: Only One Week Remaining

Only seven days left in the Class of 2012 recruiting period, which culminates on February 1 with National Letter of Intent Day, commonly referred to as Signing Day, the first day that high school seniors can officially state their intent to play college football with a certain school. Until then, everything is verbal and non-binding; once ink meets paper and paper meets fax (one of the last remaining vestiges of that godforsaken machine), a contract is formed with certain requirements and expectations.

At Penn State, Signing Day typically comes and goes with little fanfare. The Joe Paterno Era Style of Recruiting was to get the class finished early and concentrate on the actual football. While there has been notable last-minute excitement in the past (see Henne, Chad; Shaw, Michael), for the most part, Penn State fans get to watch everyone else squirm as "results" come in for the higher profile players.

Those high profile players will be covered slightly in next week's open Signing Day thread. Today we take a look at the Class of 2012: who's in, who's out, what's left, and what are the overall impression.

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Who's In - The Future Penn State Nittany Lions

As of this morning, Penn State is sitting tight with 19 commitments, including will-he-or-wont-he PA QB Skyler Mornhinweg. Until we hear word otherwise, Mornhinweg is in. The commits, by commit date:

First Last Pos. Class Commit Date
Anthony Stanko OL FR 3/19/2011
Brent Wilkerson TE FR 3/26/2011
Jesse James TE FR 3/28/2011
Brian Gaia DL FR 5/9/2011
Derek Dowrey DT FR 6/25/2011
Austin Johnson DT FR 6/25/2011
Nyeem Wartman LB FR 7/9/2011
Skyler Mornhinweg QB FR 7/19/2011
Jake Kiley DB FR 7/27/2011
Eugene Lewis WR FR 8/10/2011
Malik Golden WR FR 8/24/2011
Jamil Pollard DL FR 12/29/2011
Jordan Lucas DB FR 1/16/2012
Akeel Lynch RB FR 1/22/2012
DaQuan Davis CB FR 1/22/2012
Trevor Williams WR FR 1/22/2012
Jonathan Warner WR FR 1/22/2012
Steven Bench QB FR 1/24/2012
Wendy Laurent OL FR 1/24/2012

By position, the commitments break down as follows: QB - 2, RB - 1, WR - 4 (Malik Golden is being looked at here by the Penn State staff, but a switch to DB is entirely possible), TE - 2, OL - 2, DL - 4, LB - 1, DB - 3. Certain positions have been stocked well (WR, DL), but there are still needs in this class. Another offensive lineman would be a plus, as well as at least one more defensive back. A second running back would be nice, but unlikely. With only Derek Moye leaving the receiving corps, there is a good possibility that at least one of the four wide receivers in the class will move to the secondary.

Who's Left - The Prospects, With A Week To Go

As you can imagine, the vast majority of recruits have given their verbal commitment to play college football by now, including our own 19 commitments above. However, not everyone is as sure as those players, and some need time to make their final decision. This choice, after all, will affect the rest of their lives. But, as stated above, Penn State typically doesn't end with too much fanfare, so the remaining prospect list isn't too long. However, keep an on the following:

First Last Pos. Comment
Demetrious Cox DB PSU/OSU battle - 50/50; highest target
Carnell Boyd WR Current Akron commit, probable flip
Evan Schwann DE No offer…yet; will commit on the spot
Jordan Moore DB From Georgia with SEC offers
Kenderius Whitehead DL Teammate of Boyd, Moore; NC State commit
Beau Hankins LB From Alabama, unlikely commit

Of these, there are some almost-certainties and some developments to watch. I'd be truly shocked if Schwann did not end up as a part of this class. Schwann will likely commit on the spot once he finally receives his offer.

Boyd, Moore, Whitehead and Hankins are all southern offers, the first three being high school teammates. Their offers alone represent a breath of fresh air from this staff, who seem intent on making southern recruiting a priority. Of these four, I'll guess that two end up at Penn State. Boyd is a likely candidate, while the other two are slightly higher in terms of stars/offers. Moore has offers from a lot of southern schools, while Whitehead is a current NC State commit. Hankins likely won't be on campus, but anything is possible.

Finally, there's Demetrious Cox. He is going to be the prize recruit at the end of this class, and will likely take this thing down to the wire. Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin and Pitt are all making runs at the talented western PA defensive back that hails from the same high school as Penn State's last down-to-the-wire recruit. The class's success will not be made or lost with Cox, but a commitment from him will go a long way to keeping this a decent-to-solid class in a year that could have ended a lot worse.

How Many More - Crunching the Numbers; Or On Scholarships and Oversigning

Some quick math and explanations: By our count, as of today, Penn State football has 65 scholarship players on the roster, not including fifth-year senior Brandon Beachum, who has reportedly left the team.

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Adding the 19 Class of 2012 commits from above, and the current scholarship number sits at 84. And here is where it gets interesting. Despite being one of the more vocal critics of oversigning, the Big Ten conference actually allows the practice, within moderation. Big Ten schools are allowed to sign an additional three extra players than their targeted class, which means that on February 1, the scholarship list can actually total 88.

This means that Penn State has room for four more commitments, provided all 19 commitments stand. Two of the prospects above will likely end up at Penn State, which leaves two more spots. If Cox takes one, that leave a final opening for a Class of 2012 commit.

That doesn't necessarily mean they must all be used, though. One or two scholarships going unused by a school is nothing new, and the normal procedure if it happens is to reward a hard working junior or senior with a free ride for a year. It's happened at Penn State before, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened this year. This would be a one year deal, and the scholarship would be then thrown back into the pool to be used toward the Class of 2013, which at first glance, looks like it will be on the small side, with only 15 seniors on the 2012 roster.

Who's Out - The Once and Former Nittany Lions

Before we leave, we pay tribute to those we once cared for, but who have moved on to greener pastures. In case you've been under a rock for the past three months, the Penn State recruiting class has seen it's share of bumps along the way. The following players were, at one time, committed to Penn State, but have since parted ways. The former commitments, with their new school of choice:

First Last New School
Jarron Jones Notre Dame
Joey O'Connor Ohio State
Tommy Schutt Ohio State
Cam Williams Ohio State
Armani Reeves OSU/Michigan
J.P. Holtz Pitt/MSU
J.J. Denman Rutgers

Once named the new head coach, Urban Meyer and Ohio State went to town on our committed players, though the major scandal didn't help matters. It's tough to hold any sort of grudge against these kids, as they are only trying to make the best decision for themselves. But it's similarly difficult to look at that list and think "What if..." Maybe they'll turn out to be busts, but there is some solid talent on that board, players that the Nittany Lions will eventually see on the playing field.

(As for the two uncommitted prospects on that board, my guess is: Reeves to Michigan, Holtz to Pitt.)

Class of 2012 Analysis

Where do you even begin to discuss this class? On November 1, 2011, the Class of 2012 was shaping up to be one of the best in recent history, and Penn State was at the top of many highly rated recruits short lists. After that, things fell apart. As you can see above, there was a four month pause between commitments while the Penn State name and reputation came crashing down. Additionally, a head coach was fired and a new one wasn't named for two months, a period of uncertainty that didn't do any favors to the recruiting efforts.

From a pure stars/offers standpoint, this class is mediocre at best. It's going to be ranked somewhere in the 30-40 range by the services, and that's being kind. At the time of this post, the current rankings are: 247Sports (34), Scout (37), and Rivals (44). Adding a couple more commitments, especially Cox, will nudge them up, but in a pure numbers perspective, this class isn't anything to write home about.

However, we all know that numbers aren't everything. Could this class end up being mediocre, as targeted by the services? Yes, and history tells us with relative certainty that some of these players will never see meaningful time at Penn State. But could there be a Daryll Clark, Deon Butler, or some other diamond in the rough? Yes, and that's what fans are hoping for.

Tune back in next Wednesday (and everyday, for that matter) to see how this class ends, officially. The mothership has you covered, as well. As per usual, we'll have an open thread going to watch the other top players make their choices. And let's hope that there aren't any big surprises for Penn State...unless of course some of those former commitments want to rejoin the class. In that case, I think we can make an exception.

UPDATE ONE - Geographic Assignments

I don’t think there is any doubting that LJSr. will continue to blanket the VA/MD/DC area with his man hugs. But what about everyone else. A member of 247Sports with a good deal of knowledge on Penn State recruiting and a solid reputation for quality recruiting information posted the following predictions, based on the staff’s previous responsibilities, reprinted with his express permission:

Godsey: FL
Hixon: FL
Roof: GA, FL, AL
London: Mid Atlantic
Strollo: New England
MacWhorter: Probably won’t recruit a lot, but FL and GA
LJ: MD, VA
Vandy: MI, IL, IN, OH
Butler: SC

I tend to agree with a good deal of this. Some of it will change as we see which recruits are talking to which coaches, but we know a lot of this is true already. Roof is going to be our Georgia man, while BOB has made it clear he wants multiple coaches in Florida.

Noticeably absent are two core states. New Jersey is difficult, as we’ve never done too much damage there. Though talent levels aren’t ever extremely high, it would be nice to be able to establish some good ties to the area. John Strollo is from NJ, but Vanderlinden and Butler have each recruited there as well.

The other state is Pennsylvania. BOB has stated that each coach will have an area of PA to recruit, but splitting PA into 10 distinct areas seems silly, so it’s likely that BOB meant the state will be split up into sections, and coaches assigned. Who takes those sections is still a guess. You’ll notice above that Vandy is a good choice to take over the bulk of the midwest, so assigning him western PA makes a good deal of sense.

UPDATE TWO - Programming Note

A Signing Day podcast is set to be recorded this weekend. Look for it early next week, before the Signing Day festivities. The podcast will feature Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan bloggers that cover their respective teams recruiting discussing the Class of '12, how it will finish, and what to look for in the Class of '13.

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Finally!

I’m allowed to post on here! I’ve been enjoying the threads…hopefully I’m not a complete idiot poster.

by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 1:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

But is he a high motor guy?

With great character.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 25, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He's only posted once so far.

You gotta wonder about his work ethic.

Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line

by WorldBFat on Jan 25, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

He seems to be gaining noteriety,

and is shooting up the BSD target list. Picking up steam at just the right time.

by dbl5030 on Jan 25, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm holding judgment until we can see more.

I want to see how he holds up during the Spring practice and Blue & White game. Not sold, but think he has a pretty good shot here.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 25, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you

I had to fight the urge to use the ellipsis after that so I will most certainly use them sparingly and correctly. Its a pleasure to be aboard.

by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ha!

Good on ya for playing along.

Welcome!

jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.

by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 for playing along.

Everyone rec the new guy!

@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."

#OccupyESPN


Black Shoe Diaries

by Adam Collyer on Jan 25, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

John Deere and chainsaws - sounds "too country"

Perfect for BSD!

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"

by NJ lion on Jan 26, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

WIth This Tooth Towel We Stand Zack The Deer!

Down Down, Down Down!

Son of an Infidel.....Eater of Vegetables!

by joefromboalsburg on Jan 25, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Is BOB on the road today?

Do we know who he is going to see this week?

"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, he's out today.

I’ve heard he’s headed to DC, but I’m not sure who is there. You’d think his first stop would be to Jeannette, PA. I’ve also heard he has to be back in Foxboro by next Wednesday, so it’ll be close.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Next Wednesday?

As in a week from today? That will be awkward since the team is leaving for Indy Sunday.

"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I meant.

But yes, next Wednesday. Honestly, I don’t know how he’s been splitting time, but it’s got to be torture on his sleep patterns.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Today is the last day off.

Super Bowl practices start tomorrow morning in Foxboro, continue through Sat, and then the team leaves for Indy Sunday. I can’t imagine he is on the road more than today and getting back tomorrow.

"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Also,

I share your curiousity on Cox. Maybe there is some other surprise in the works that we never heard? He’s about to pull Diggs with an assist from LJ?

"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Doubt it, as well as Ronald Darby before anyone mentions him.

Maybe some ‘13 prospects if BOB thinks the ’12 class is sewn up or the remaining targets are sufficiently recruited. I just don’t know.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

So,

you haven’t got your BOBjack installed yet?

"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

FLAGGED!

jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.

by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good question.

Don’t we have a resident expert commenter here? Works in aviation or something? Can he get BOB an assigned tracking number?

"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting a new BPS for my birthday.

Ya know – BOB Positioning System.

Gonna be all the rage, yo.

What the hell just happened?

by Pete the Streak on Jan 25, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like

The little lady better watch out.

jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.

by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Still thinking out loud here,

what are the chances of another run at Severin? Now that we have his teammate in the fold maybe he has been doing some work on him.

"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

They've already hired his replacement

Which I’m sure helps.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 25, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

DC huh?

that’s where Eddie Goldman lives

"My kitchen is a mess y'all" Paula Deen

by Dr.TobiasFunke on Jan 25, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And Marion Berry!

Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line

by WorldBFat on Jan 25, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You once shaved Marion Berry's image into your chest hair didn't you?

jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.

by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Does it count as only once if you keep

using the razor to maintain the image? Or is each subsequent shaving another time? That could impact whether he “once” shaved Marion’s image.

"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I really did the heart thing once, but this really has me thinking...

I wonder how complex a design I could shave. I have the thick, dark chest hair of a Mediterranean man. If I can shave Marion Barry so that he is recognizable, I should.

Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line

by WorldBFat on Jan 25, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

while tucking

don’t forget the tucking

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 25, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If I pulled off a Marion Barry chest shave, I'd be too engorged to tuck.

Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line

by WorldBFat on Jan 25, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont give urban ideas!

I am going to be furious if I see a Brenneman portrait on urb’z chest next year

by jrock4 on Jan 25, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't get my hopes up that he's visiting a big 2012 name.

And the report could have been wrong (imagine that). I think Cox, and maybe Morgan now, are the only two names that we’ll keep an eye on for the last week. The rest of the class should be relatively low fanfare.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So you are guaranteeing a huge splashy signing

next Wednesday! Sweet!

"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh.

That’s the best way to describe this class. The only thing really keeping me moderately positive is the hope that the new staff has more skill in player development than that of the outgoing group.

We all knew this class was going to be a little rough. That said though, I like BOB’s philosophy and am looking forward to seeing what he and his staff can do with their first full class in 2013.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 25, 2012 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

I appreciate the positive spin. Wish I shared the optimism.

One thing I will say is that I completely agree with your comments regarding the character of these young men. The fact that they are committing and standing by PSU during a difficult time is commendable. It’s something the more highly recruited guys couldn’t get past.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

When I think of these new commits

I don’t necessarily look at them as men of high character for coming to PSU. After all, most of them had offers from inferior programs prior to State entering the picture. There are exceptions to this, obv, and they do get credit for coming to PSU this year of all years, but let’s keep some perspective – they’re getting a lot out of the deal.

by stewsplace on Jan 25, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's the way that I'm looking at it too.

I mean, let’s be honest and use QB commit Steven Bench as an example:

Of course it’s great that he’s coming here to play football and we’re happy that he decided to get a great education at one of the finest academic institutions on the planet and that he will hopefully make the world a better place like every student that graduated from Dear Old State before him, but purely from a football perspective, PSU is a better program than Rice and it’s certainly better than the FCS schools that gave him offers, so picking Penn State is a no-brainer. This is the ultimate example of a recruit buying low.

Run.

by Bob Sacamano on Jan 25, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I certainly agree with your point.

My comment is geared more toward them looking past the current situation. And I should have specified that I speak more for those that have stayed with us through everything, not the newer 2* guys that had no FBS offers. I like the loyalty to the school the original commits have shown while others fled.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 25, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand

And my response was probably meant more for Gmac.

by stewsplace on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree these kids are getting a lot out of the deal....

but they would have got a lot out of the deal at the other schools as well. If PSU turns out to be as toxic as everybody else is saying it is, then these kids took a big risk coming. And it could have basically ruined their playing careers by coming here. (I personally don’t think PSU is toxis by any means, but what the national media has done lately sure makes it seem that way)

I’m not saying these kids deserve bronze statues built for them because they chose PSU, I’m just saying I’d love to give the benefit of the doubt to these kids. Are they top prospects? No. But they made the decision to come to Happy Valley and be a part of something that’s bigger than just football. And for that, I respect them. And with what happened recently, I’d rather be hopeful about their future than be down on it. We can be down on things in a month of two. But right now, I’ve had enough sadness with PSU in the past few months. I’m just looking for a little optimism and these kids committing to play here isn’t a bad place to start.

by GMac14 on Jan 25, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I could not agree more!

I truly believe this will not only be a special class but BOB (his red bull personality) will have ZERO issues motivating the boys!

Color me crazy…I believe JoePa is going to have a HUGE impact on this team!

Let the rebuttals and “get the f@$& out of here” begin…

by Batwing on Jan 25, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

and besides

it always has been and always will be more than just winning football games. What those kids do the other 350 days a year is what truly counts. First and foremost, let’s hope they get the fine educations they were promised and help keep the Grand Experiment alive.

by cs93 on Jan 27, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

My twitters say

Wayne Morgan (NY) 4 star (QB/DB) recruit may flip to penn state currently choosing between Syracuse and UConn

"My kitchen is a mess y'all" Paula Deen

by Dr.TobiasFunke on Jan 25, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Wayne Morgan is a new development.

He’s a former UM silent verbal, who lost his spot when the class filled up/he was passed by other targets. Whether he’s in serious contention this late in the game is anyone’s guess, but he could be a replacement for Reeves or Cox (likely Cox in that scenario, as both Morgan and Cox project as safeties).

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be nice

but hasnt there been some concern over his maturity?

by jrock4 on Jan 25, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Only that he's TOO MATURE!

OOOOH WAH AH AH AH!

Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line

by WorldBFat on Jan 25, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Concern I've seen is actually around his play.

Some think he’s not that great of a DB and is rated too highly in the state of NY.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

silent verbal....

How is one silently verbal?

"Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last"

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 25, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Tells the staff that he's in, but prolongs publicly for whatever reason.

I find them to be stupid, but apparently they exist. Some have said that Noah Spence was a silent PSU verbal after Cam Williams started recruiting him. Obviously you can see how binding any of this is before Signing Day.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still kinda pissed

That the ‘oral commitment’ thing didn’t take hold.

jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.

by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

hes thinking

“can you hear this, how bout if i turn the volume up for ya”

by swiggy04 on Jan 25, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Is what It Is

This class is what it is and hopefully the players in this class turn out to be great players. We have enough underclassman too stay a solid football team. The coaches foucus should be on next years class. Adam Breneman seems to be ours to lose and if they let him go to another school it will be all on them. Start out strng and our class next year will be incredible!

by KatManDuww on Jan 25, 2012 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Just to be safe

I hope the Patriot’s tight ends catch 3 or 4 touchdown passes in the SB.

by CvilleLion on Jan 25, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking at the roster above...

The team depth is definitely shallow at CB and S… Cox and Morgan would be nice, needed additions… plus switching 1 from WR or ATH to DB is probably in order.

by PSU_Ovaltine68 on Jan 25, 2012 2:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

This class doesnt need to be world beaters

I think we should have enough residual talent in the last few recruiting years that this class just needs to have a few leaders. Guys who, when they are seniors, can take the reins and lead this team full of hopefully star studded recruits the new staff is going to bring in in the future.

You can survive one mediocre class. Its when you follow it up with bad classes that you get into trouble.

The fact that these guys have stuck with us throughout our recent issues shows me no evidence that they cant be high character leaders in the future.

by swiggy04 on Jan 25, 2012 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

To be fair, the 2011 class was mediocre as well.

247Sports (33rd), Scout (34th), Rivals (35th). BOB needs to hit 2013 hard, and it needs to be a big one.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year is a bit misleading in terms of rankings, in my opinion.

Last year’s class was top 25 in average stars. The small class size hurt the rankings.

However, that does highlight just how mediocre this year’s class is turning out, and the negative impact it could have. With many more players we are going to rank lower even lower. If you took the last two years and average out the number of players and average stars, you could argue that a poor recruiting year this year has turned into a negative two-year impact. That alone won’t knock the program down talent wise, but one more sub-par year and we could be in for a short BOB-tenure.

"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah last year we had a really high average level of recruit.

We just had very few scholarships to go around. I’m a bit more concerned about this year, but really, I don’t see too many “gambles” in this class. These are through and through a bunch of guys that look like they can all be solid contributors.

"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."

by mvrck on Jan 25, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Average stars

much more important than total points IMO.

More important than that is the ability to identify and develop talent that will work for the system in place, for the most part.

by FB6244 on Jan 25, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure about "knocking the program down"

As a post some months ago detailed – the old coaching staff didn’t exactly coach players up to their potential or star rankings (generally speaking). So with a new energetic staff, we could be mildly surprised with the transition and product on the field. Staying optimistic

by stewsplace on Jan 25, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks Junny

For all the work you do putting this together so us bums don’t have to sign up for premium sites.

Much appreciated.

by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 25, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

It's actually enjoyable.

And it helps me keep things straight. I still haven’t figured out a solution to keeping track of all of the recruits, visits, opponents visits, etc., but the scholarship/depth chart and commit tracker is pretty handy.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Does it help with Skyler

that his dad wasnt hired for the Oakland position? Or are we just out of it because of our request for him to play safety?

by jrock4 on Jan 25, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

Probably the latter.

And the whole coaching change. It looks like he’s in the running for one of the remaining Florida spots, and VaTech is still in play. Really, you could add his name to the “Watch until the end” list along with Cox and Morgan.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Also, can you confirm/deny that BOB is holding an old school game boy in the photo above?

by jrock4 on Jan 25, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy shit

it’s a VHS tape. I wonder how many current recruits even know what that is?

by dbl5030 on Jan 25, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Why am I not surprised

that the most advanced technology in the office he inherited is a VCR?

by PSU Mudder on Jan 25, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

DAT Tape

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by jesse. on Jan 25, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy

You brought up the DAT tape. Major props there

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by AriesGD on Jan 25, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a roommate.

In 1998 he took DAT tapes from Phish tapers and burned first generation tapes. It seems so trite at the time, but I was able to listen to the whole Summer Tour in 1998 only a day or two after the shows. Now you can download them on your phone walking out of the venue, but then it was a major privilege.

I actually let the guy live in my apartment for free for the summer with the proviso being that I got full access to the DAT player and was allowed to make tapes of anything I wanted for the entire summer.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 25, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

And smoked it.

Just to make sure.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 25, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a prop

He is going to tear the tape apart to impress recruits

by psfann on Jan 25, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Too small

I think it might be an external disk drive. Guess PSU’s not on the cloud.

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by kijana's acl on Jan 25, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Does the new staff want him to play safety?

If that’s the case, they must really see something in Bench that they like or are just looking at a better QB coming in during the 2013 class. Seems like it would be a bit of a gamble with the QB’s currently on the roster to move the highest rated (possible) QB recruit to another position.

by GMac14 on Jan 25, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure where the safety rumor started, but I"ve seen it around.

I do know that there are a couple highly rated QB recruits that the staff are after in ‘13. What I don’t know is the validity of the safety rumor, nor the openness of Mornhinweg to it.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The first person to start the safety rumor

was Sekrah. So, yeah, I’ll go on not believing that.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

BOB

looks like he is awkwardly practicing a very poor Welcome speech for the new recruits in front of a mirror. “Welcome…new recruits. Thank you for choosing to come to Penn State. I was afraid that on your way to [pauses to read cue cards] State College that you might commit to Ohio State. [waits for polite laughter]”

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by skarocksoi on Jan 25, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

I love the depth chart, Junny (in addition to all of the other info, of course).

It has caused all kinds of questions stirring in my mind. I think the one that sticks out for me most is: What does BOB do with our FBs? Building on that, if he likes Zordich’s lead blocking ability and fire, but maybe not his hands etc, but doesn’t plan to keep the FB position long term, is Zwinak a candidate to go Cooley-style-H-Back? If we see some surprise production out of a player in that mold, it would be almost like a new recruiting addition.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

I forgot to put in the disclaimer

That the depth chart was obviously not a rigid sheet, especially along the lines. That chart will change a million times before September 1; for today’s purposes, it was simply a placeholder for our 65 scholarships.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, no, I think that's pretty clear.

But it’s fun to mentally shift players around, and even think about how the formations may change. I can see Zwinak moving all around the field and creating mismatches. If BOB is trying to do the same things the Pats offense does now, seems like he could be a good tool for that.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a good point and I've wondered if the traditional FB position may be done at PSU

at least while BOB is the head coach. I’m not saying that’s a good or bad thing, but definitely something that needs to be watched more closely.

by GMac14 on Jan 25, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT!?!?!?!

But I just joined recently and created this username!

Must it now be Run_The_Play_To_The_Best_Player_On_The_Roster_Or_Bust???

That has no ring to it!

by FB_Dive_or_Bust on Jan 25, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering why Shrive was so low. I remember being excited about him when he came here, but I’m not sure I’ve seen him do anything.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 25, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking that myself

I’d ask for another and make it a museum

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by pmm156 on Jan 25, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What's weird is that it's his office now.

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by jesse. on Jan 25, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

UPDATE ONE - Geographic Assignments

Something I didn’t cover in the post because it’s still a work in progress – geographic assignments. I don’t think there is any doubting that LJSr. will continue to blanket the VA/MD/DC area with his man hugs. But what about everyone else. A member of 247Sports with a good deal of knowledge on Penn State recruiting and a solid reputation for quality recruiting information posted the following predictions, based on the staff’s previous responsibilities, reprinted with his express permission:

Godsey: FL
Hixon: FL
Roof: GA, FL, AL
London: Mid Atlantic
Strollo: New England
MacWhorter: Probably won’t recruit a lot, but FL and GA
LJ: MD, VA
Vandy: MI, IL, IN, OH
Butler: SC

I tend to agree with a good deal of this. Some of it will change as we see which recruits are talking to which coaches, but we know a lot of this is true already. Roof is going to be our Georgia man, while BOB has made it clear he wants multiple coaches in Florida.

Noticeably absent are two core states. New Jersey is difficult, as we’ve never done too much damage there. Though talent levels aren’t ever extremely high, it would be nice to be able to establish some good ties to the area. John Strollo is from NJ, but Vanderlinden and Butler have each recruited there as well.

The other state is Pennsylvania. BOB has stated that each coach will have an area of PA to recruit, but splitting PA into 10 distinct areas seems silly, so it’s likely that BOB meant the state will be split up into sections, and coaches assigned. Who takes those sections is still a guess. You’ll notice above that Vandy is a good choice to take over the bulk of the midwest, so assigning him western PA makes a good deal of sense.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

surprised they dont have Butler as the PA guy

isnt he from PA?

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by skarocksoi on Jan 25, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Philly, I believe.

Which means he’ll almost certainly get the SEPA beat.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Also 2 other things

Not sure I like Strollo as the sole New England guy, and do we really need 4 guys in Florida? I get we want to recruit there more, but I dont know if dedicated 4 guys outside your traditional area is a great idea.

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by skarocksoi on Jan 25, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, this is where I see the first bend in BOB's recruiting rhetoric coming from.

I can see spreading out the southern guys to include Florida AND another state. But any more than two dedicated Florida recruiters seems to wear thin the rest of the resources.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Texas?

Maybe McWhorter won’t be recruiting much, but it wouldn’t hurt to have him keeping his eyes open through his Texas contacts.

by Willie Green on Jan 25, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

NJ Difficult ?

For as long as I can remember PS has hit NJ hard. McCreary and Anderson used to hit NJ aggressivly. NJ produces a ton of talent although most of it leaves there is still a ton of talent there. PS has has a great deal of sucess there in the past always grabbing 3,4 or 5 kids from there. I think it would be A HUGE mistake casting aside NJ.

by NJDeadhead on Jan 26, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

UPDATE TWO - Programming Note

I’ll be recording a podcast this weekend with an OSU and Michigan blogger, each of whom are well versed in their respective recruiting. We’re going to discuss each school, recruiting in general, and what the future holds for three schools, none of which have the same head coach they did two years ago.

Stay tuned, as we hope to have it out early next week, before OMGSIGNINGDAY!

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Items likely not discussed

Pissing on graves and blogistani douchery.

jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.

by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yesterday I did

And may so again.

But I saw a Zug tweet quoting JoePa’s advice to never get into a pissing match with a skunk, so I’m going with that for today.

jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.

by jtothep on Jan 26, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

BOB needs to put this kid on his radar!

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1323021

Sounds like the kid is getting a raw deal because his parents don’t have him documented properly for UGA. Not really sure why this is a problem in this instance as Samoa is a US territory. UGA’s loss should be turned into PSU’s gain!

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 25, 2012 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Phew!

Thought that kid had a forehead tattoo there for a split second.

by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There's more Samoa than just American Samoa.

Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line

by WorldBFat on Jan 25, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

.

jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.

by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This

is the best and only Girl Scout Cookie they should sell.

by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Ouch.

Strike One, new guy.

#TeamTagalong

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Frozen Thin Mints belong in that discussion.

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by kijana's acl on Jan 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I've said it before and I'll say it again

Thin Mints are for the 1%.

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by skarocksoi on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The 1% with the best taste?

Team Frozen Thin Mints FTW!

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by Paige2PSU on Jan 25, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't be ashamed

I’m pretty positive I can eat my weight in Thin Mints. Plus, if it weren’t for people like us, how would the girl scouts afford new patches? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!

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by LAPSU on Jan 25, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I will say it

I do not like thin mints. I know I am probably going to get baned now, but I have to admit it. Don’t like mint in my cookies. Give me them Thanks-A-Lots and I can destroy me some of them. And some Tagalongs.

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by AriesGD on Jan 25, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

samoas are the best taste

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by skarocksoi on Jan 25, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I love thin mints

and would love to be in the 1%. I would try not to be a d-bag, but I would not turn down the money, or the thin mints.

by FB_Dive_or_Bust on Jan 25, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Box of Samoas...

then a sleeve of Thin Mints to cleanse the palate.

by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it's almost like they custom created that sleeve

for my portion size.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 25, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

TWSS

What do they call the really small rubbers?

Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line

by WorldBFat on Jan 25, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Photobucket

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 25, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with the new guy too

My oldest daughter just joined Girl Scouts and I’m trying to stop myself from buying 10,000 boxes of Samoas.

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"

by NJ lion on Jan 26, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Girl scout cookies are overrated

yeah I said it

Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.

by psupride on Jan 25, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

/deserves it

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by skarocksoi on Jan 25, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

it is like the McRib

there is only a craze b/c you can only get them certain times of the year

Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.

by psupride on Jan 27, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

#Teamtagalong

but let’s be serious here. I love every single Girl Scout Cookie.

Except trefoils. Fuck Trefoils.

by dbl5030 on Jan 26, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

False

I run through those like a wood chipper. Very underrated cookie.

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by skarocksoi on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Seems like these classes should produce some good starters, and have a lot of those diamond in the rough types

That go to the Big East schools and we wonder how we missed them

Depth is one thing I’d be worried about right now though

Success With honor

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 25, 2012 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

That pic of BOB

reminds me of Rory McCann (Game of Thrones, Hot Fuzz).

by Nittanian on Jan 25, 2012 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm, uncanny


jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.

by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yarp

"My kitchen is a mess y'all" Paula Deen

by Dr.TobiasFunke on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yarp?

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by skarocksoi on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If BOB rolls his chin to the right just a bit

then the next thing out of his mouth could be, “Im Bill S. Preston, Esquire.” or something about San Dimas.

by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 5:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Chin

That chin just draws my eyes right to it every time I see his picture.

Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".

by Ben16 on Jan 25, 2012 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

it is almost like a third eye

"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."

by BMAN13 on Jan 25, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Kinda like the Mole

The Austin Powers mole.

by COTB on Jan 25, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

when you said the Mole, I thought Cindy Crawford, not Austin Powers but that is just me, nothing wrong with thinking Austin Powers.

"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."

by BMAN13 on Jan 26, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Cindy Crawford . . .

Moles used to mean something.

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by SubLime on Jan 26, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Aaaanddd

Another recable thread.

jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.

by jtothep on Jan 26, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

So who is the NY guy they are after?

I heard that was a ATH or something like that out of the NY area.

by jetskijoe on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

These google ads you have are creepy.

I HAVE THAT AIRLINE’S CREDIT CARD. FUCK YOU.

Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line

by WorldBFat on Jan 25, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

Excellent work. Cannot wait to feature this on SBNation.com

by Bud Elliott on Jan 26, 2012 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

ugh, turning out to be a disapointing class

I knew it would be tough going this year but dam. We used to get nothing but 4 star recruits with some 3’s & 5’s sprinkled in now we’re battling non-football powers for 2 star kids. While I have never been a huge believer in some rankings of 18 yr olds this is very concerning. Even more concerning is, isn’t this Holtz kid a TE ? Doesn’t he see what BOB does with TEs ? The whole Patriot offense is now geared to their 2 beasts. IDK, hopefully next year will be better but I just can’t picture us grabbing too many kids from OSU and UM. If we can’t keep the PA & NJ kids in State College we are in real trouble.

by NJDeadhead on Jan 26, 2012 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

The gap between those two and the rest of the Big Ten is enormous at this point. PSU will get better, but it will take a long time.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 26, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Luckily, Penn State has a lot of true fans who are intelligent and will support the program even through the coming lean years. Many programs do not have that.

by Bud Elliott on Jan 26, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

The gap is very large for a variety of reasons (namely Meyer, Hoke, Mattison, et al.).

But I don’t think it will take as long as you might think for PSU to get up to their level. BOB has surrounded himself with a good number of quality recruiters (Butler and London seem like they will be beasts out there), as well as hitting the trail pretty hard already. For example, a PSU plane went from DC (contact still unknown) to Latrobe (Demetrious Cox?) to New York (Wayne Morgan?) to Boston all in one day yesterday.

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Collecting frequent flyer miles.

Will come in handy when we play in the BCS MNC game next season.

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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 26, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what it is tough to get a handle on: how big of a recruiting improvement is Bradley?

by Bud Elliott on Jan 28, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Butler & London ?

To be honest with you, I am not well versed on those two as far as recruiters. I know Vandy and Johnson are real good, and it sounds like BOB could be pretty good. I am just not sure of Butler or Landon and MacWhorter for that matter. The thing that bothers me more is that we really didn’t out recruit UM or OSU even with OSU on probation and non-bowling and UM having a few really bad years ( excluding last year).

by NJDeadhead on Jan 26, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

Never done too much damage in NJ ?

For as long as I can remember PS has hit NJ hard. McCreary and Anderson used to hit NJ aggressivly. NJ produces a ton of talent although most of it leaves there is still a ton of talent there. PS has has a great deal of sucess there in the past always grabbing 3,4 or 5 kids from there. I think it would be A HUGE mistake casting aside NJ.

by NJDeadhead on Jan 26, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

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