Penn State Recruiting Class of 2012 Signing Day Primer: Only One Week Remaining
Only seven days left in the Class of 2012 recruiting period, which culminates on February 1 with National Letter of Intent Day, commonly referred to as Signing Day, the first day that high school seniors can officially state their intent to play college football with a certain school. Until then, everything is verbal and non-binding; once ink meets paper and paper meets fax (one of the last remaining vestiges of that godforsaken machine), a contract is formed with certain requirements and expectations.
At Penn State, Signing Day typically comes and goes with little fanfare. The Joe Paterno Era Style of Recruiting was to get the class finished early and concentrate on the actual football. While there has been notable last-minute excitement in the past (see Henne, Chad; Shaw, Michael), for the most part, Penn State fans get to watch everyone else squirm as "results" come in for the higher profile players.
Those high profile players will be covered slightly in next week's open Signing Day thread. Today we take a look at the Class of 2012: who's in, who's out, what's left, and what are the overall impression.
Who's In - The Future Penn State Nittany Lions
As of this morning, Penn State is sitting tight with 19 commitments, including will-he-or-wont-he PA QB Skyler Mornhinweg. Until we hear word otherwise, Mornhinweg is in. The commits, by commit date:
| First | Last | Pos. | Class | Commit Date |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Anthony | Stanko | OL | FR | 3/19/2011 |
| Brent | Wilkerson | TE | FR | 3/26/2011 |
| Jesse | James | TE | FR | 3/28/2011 |
| Brian | Gaia | DL | FR | 5/9/2011 |
| Derek | Dowrey | DT | FR | 6/25/2011 |
| Austin | Johnson | DT | FR | 6/25/2011 |
| Nyeem | Wartman | LB | FR | 7/9/2011 |
| Skyler | Mornhinweg | QB | FR | 7/19/2011 |
| Jake | Kiley | DB | FR | 7/27/2011 |
| Eugene | Lewis | WR | FR | 8/10/2011 |
| Malik | Golden | WR | FR | 8/24/2011 |
| Jamil | Pollard | DL | FR | 12/29/2011 |
| Jordan | Lucas | DB | FR | 1/16/2012 |
| Akeel | Lynch | RB | FR | 1/22/2012 |
| DaQuan | Davis | CB | FR | 1/22/2012 |
| Trevor | Williams | WR | FR | 1/22/2012 |
| Jonathan | Warner | WR | FR | 1/22/2012 |
| Steven | Bench | QB | FR | 1/24/2012 |
| Wendy | Laurent | OL | FR | 1/24/2012 |
By position, the commitments break down as follows: QB - 2, RB - 1, WR - 4 (Malik Golden is being looked at here by the Penn State staff, but a switch to DB is entirely possible), TE - 2, OL - 2, DL - 4, LB - 1, DB - 3. Certain positions have been stocked well (WR, DL), but there are still needs in this class. Another offensive lineman would be a plus, as well as at least one more defensive back. A second running back would be nice, but unlikely. With only Derek Moye leaving the receiving corps, there is a good possibility that at least one of the four wide receivers in the class will move to the secondary.
Who's Left - The Prospects, With A Week To Go
As you can imagine, the vast majority of recruits have given their verbal commitment to play college football by now, including our own 19 commitments above. However, not everyone is as sure as those players, and some need time to make their final decision. This choice, after all, will affect the rest of their lives. But, as stated above, Penn State typically doesn't end with too much fanfare, so the remaining prospect list isn't too long. However, keep an on the following:
| First | Last | Pos. | Comment |
|---|---|---|---|
| Demetrious | Cox | DB | PSU/OSU battle - 50/50; highest target |
| Carnell | Boyd | WR | Current Akron commit, probable flip |
| Evan | Schwann | DE | No offer…yet; will commit on the spot |
| Jordan | Moore | DB | From Georgia with SEC offers |
| Kenderius | Whitehead | DL | Teammate of Boyd, Moore; NC State commit |
| Beau | Hankins | LB | From Alabama, unlikely commit |
Of these, there are some almost-certainties and some developments to watch. I'd be truly shocked if Schwann did not end up as a part of this class. Schwann will likely commit on the spot once he finally receives his offer.
Boyd, Moore, Whitehead and Hankins are all southern offers, the first three being high school teammates. Their offers alone represent a breath of fresh air from this staff, who seem intent on making southern recruiting a priority. Of these four, I'll guess that two end up at Penn State. Boyd is a likely candidate, while the other two are slightly higher in terms of stars/offers. Moore has offers from a lot of southern schools, while Whitehead is a current NC State commit. Hankins likely won't be on campus, but anything is possible.
Finally, there's Demetrious Cox. He is going to be the prize recruit at the end of this class, and will likely take this thing down to the wire. Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin and Pitt are all making runs at the talented western PA defensive back that hails from the same high school as Penn State's last down-to-the-wire recruit. The class's success will not be made or lost with Cox, but a commitment from him will go a long way to keeping this a decent-to-solid class in a year that could have ended a lot worse.
How Many More - Crunching the Numbers; Or On Scholarships and Oversigning
Some quick math and explanations: By our count, as of today, Penn State football has 65 scholarship players on the roster, not including fifth-year senior Brandon Beachum, who has reportedly left the team.
Adding the 19 Class of 2012 commits from above, and the current scholarship number sits at 84. And here is where it gets interesting. Despite being one of the more vocal critics of oversigning, the Big Ten conference actually allows the practice, within moderation. Big Ten schools are allowed to sign an additional three extra players than their targeted class, which means that on February 1, the scholarship list can actually total 88.
This means that Penn State has room for four more commitments, provided all 19 commitments stand. Two of the prospects above will likely end up at Penn State, which leaves two more spots. If Cox takes one, that leave a final opening for a Class of 2012 commit.
That doesn't necessarily mean they must all be used, though. One or two scholarships going unused by a school is nothing new, and the normal procedure if it happens is to reward a hard working junior or senior with a free ride for a year. It's happened at Penn State before, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened this year. This would be a one year deal, and the scholarship would be then thrown back into the pool to be used toward the Class of 2013, which at first glance, looks like it will be on the small side, with only 15 seniors on the 2012 roster.
Who's Out - The Once and Former Nittany Lions
Before we leave, we pay tribute to those we once cared for, but who have moved on to greener pastures. In case you've been under a rock for the past three months, the Penn State recruiting class has seen it's share of bumps along the way. The following players were, at one time, committed to Penn State, but have since parted ways. The former commitments, with their new school of choice:
| First | Last | New School |
|---|---|---|
| Jarron | Jones | Notre Dame |
| Joey | O'Connor | Ohio State |
| Tommy | Schutt | Ohio State |
| Cam | Williams | Ohio State |
| Armani | Reeves | OSU/Michigan |
| J.P. | Holtz | Pitt/MSU |
| J.J. | Denman | Rutgers |
Once named the new head coach, Urban Meyer and Ohio State went to town on our committed players, though the major scandal didn't help matters. It's tough to hold any sort of grudge against these kids, as they are only trying to make the best decision for themselves. But it's similarly difficult to look at that list and think "What if..." Maybe they'll turn out to be busts, but there is some solid talent on that board, players that the Nittany Lions will eventually see on the playing field.
(As for the two uncommitted prospects on that board, my guess is: Reeves to Michigan, Holtz to Pitt.)
Class of 2012 Analysis
Where do you even begin to discuss this class? On November 1, 2011, the Class of 2012 was shaping up to be one of the best in recent history, and Penn State was at the top of many highly rated recruits short lists. After that, things fell apart. As you can see above, there was a four month pause between commitments while the Penn State name and reputation came crashing down. Additionally, a head coach was fired and a new one wasn't named for two months, a period of uncertainty that didn't do any favors to the recruiting efforts.
From a pure stars/offers standpoint, this class is mediocre at best. It's going to be ranked somewhere in the 30-40 range by the services, and that's being kind. At the time of this post, the current rankings are: 247Sports (34), Scout (37), and Rivals (44). Adding a couple more commitments, especially Cox, will nudge them up, but in a pure numbers perspective, this class isn't anything to write home about.
However, we all know that numbers aren't everything. Could this class end up being mediocre, as targeted by the services? Yes, and history tells us with relative certainty that some of these players will never see meaningful time at Penn State. But could there be a Daryll Clark, Deon Butler, or some other diamond in the rough? Yes, and that's what fans are hoping for.
Tune back in next Wednesday (and everyday, for that matter) to see how this class ends, officially. The mothership has you covered, as well. As per usual, we'll have an open thread going to watch the other top players make their choices. And let's hope that there aren't any big surprises for Penn State...unless of course some of those former commitments want to rejoin the class. In that case, I think we can make an exception.
UPDATE ONE - Geographic Assignments
I don’t think there is any doubting that LJSr. will continue to blanket the VA/MD/DC area with his man hugs. But what about everyone else. A member of 247Sports with a good deal of knowledge on Penn State recruiting and a solid reputation for quality recruiting information posted the following predictions, based on the staff’s previous responsibilities, reprinted with his express permission:
Godsey: FL
Hixon: FL
Roof: GA, FL, AL
London: Mid Atlantic
Strollo: New England
MacWhorter: Probably won’t recruit a lot, but FL and GA
LJ: MD, VA
Vandy: MI, IL, IN, OH
Butler: SC
I tend to agree with a good deal of this. Some of it will change as we see which recruits are talking to which coaches, but we know a lot of this is true already. Roof is going to be our Georgia man, while BOB has made it clear he wants multiple coaches in Florida.
Noticeably absent are two core states. New Jersey is difficult, as we’ve never done too much damage there. Though talent levels aren’t ever extremely high, it would be nice to be able to establish some good ties to the area. John Strollo is from NJ, but Vanderlinden and Butler have each recruited there as well.
The other state is Pennsylvania. BOB has stated that each coach will have an area of PA to recruit, but splitting PA into 10 distinct areas seems silly, so it’s likely that BOB meant the state will be split up into sections, and coaches assigned. Who takes those sections is still a guess. You’ll notice above that Vandy is a good choice to take over the bulk of the midwest, so assigning him western PA makes a good deal of sense.
UPDATE TWO - Programming Note
A Signing Day podcast is set to be recorded this weekend. Look for it early next week, before the Signing Day festivities. The podcast will feature Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan bloggers that cover their respective teams recruiting discussing the Class of '12, how it will finish, and what to look for in the Class of '13.
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Finally!
I’m allowed to post on here! I’ve been enjoying the threads…hopefully I’m not a complete idiot poster.
by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 1:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
While getting late in this year's recruiting cycle
It can never hurt to get started analyzing this new written commitment:
1. “Finally!” Solid first use of subject line. Clearly not ATO/OSU material, so that’s a positive. Correct punctuation.
2. “allowed.” Proper spelling, always a plus.
3. “I’ve been enjoying the threads.” Good use of introductory flattery, which we know gets you everywhere.
4. “…” Ut-oh, ellipsis. Could be a warning sign, but newly-hired BSD offensive writing coach could coach him up out of this habit.
5. “hopefully I’m not a complete idiot poster.” A little humble, which goes a long way. Shows some semblance he’s self-aware, could be a sign he’s coachable.
Overall, looks like a solid Black Shoe Diaries kind of guy. Nothing flashy, possibly a good character guy. Welcome to BSD, son! Work hard and make us proud.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 15 recs
I don't know, not really feeling it with this guy. Never heard of him before. Obviously the mods liked him but is this a desparation new member or someone that will help us down the road. I don't know.
Were there any other blogs out there chasing this poster? I didn’t see him in any big time program blogs. the ellipsis are a flashing “OH NO” to me, maybe minor to you but at this time I will defer to the mods for allowing the new poster and say welcome :)
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
by BMAN13 on Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
What were his other offers?
Stars don’t mean much to me, but did he also have offers for posting rights at BHGP or EDSBS?
by PSU Mudder on Jan 25, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
We'll never be as elite
as BHGP.
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." Joseph Vincent Paterno 1926-2012
by Paige2PSU on Jan 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I think the reason his offer sheet is so low
was due to a lack of focus at times. You will see that he didn’t address the nature of this specific post. He got a little worked up announcing his appearance and forgot to get to the point. JT pointed out that he has the raw ability to generate a comment, but we will have to see if he can put the mental side together.
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs
He didn't even start reading blogs until recently
He could be somewhat of a late-bloomer. I mean, from what I’ve seen, he has some of the tangible assets you look for. Maybe the mods saw some potential, and with a little coaching he can show that their faith in him was well-placed.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Jan 25, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
Recs for everyone.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
circle rec'ing
at it’s finest
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
by hbeach08 on Jan 25, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Glad to see an actual comment.
Had he been one of the morons that leaves just a subject line on one blog, then another and another before actually committing with a comment, well – that’s just not the Penn State way.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Jan 25, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
But is he a high motor guy?
With great character.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Jan 25, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's only posted once so far.
You gotta wonder about his work ethic.
Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line
by WorldBFat on Jan 25, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He seems to be gaining noteriety,
and is shooting up the BSD target list. Picking up steam at just the right time.
by dbl5030 on Jan 25, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm holding judgment until we can see more.
I want to see how he holds up during the Spring practice and Blue & White game. Not sold, but think he has a pretty good shot here.
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by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 25, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
I had to fight the urge to use the ellipsis after that so I will most certainly use them sparingly and correctly. Its a pleasure to be aboard.
by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Plus...
Im a definite high motor guy, and will gladly hurl myself down the steps into the BSD basement and claw my way back out just to prove that I’m the same type of “diamond in the rough” our recruiting class has peppered through it. And the “logging” part of my moniker is not the “log in” type of computer rhetoric I’m doing now, but the actual “chainsaw and sawdust” logging…so balancing my keyboard on the hood of a John Deere skidder gets a little tricky. But enough about me.
by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 18 recs
Ha!
Good on ya for playing along.
Welcome!
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
+1 for playing along.
Everyone rec the new guy!
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Jan 25, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
John Deere and chainsaws - sounds "too country"
Perfect for BSD!
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Welcome, good sir.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
WIth This Tooth Towel We Stand Zack The Deer!
Down Down, Down Down!
Son of an Infidel.....Eater of Vegetables!
by joefromboalsburg on Jan 25, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Is BOB on the road today?
Do we know who he is going to see this week?
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
Yes, he's out today.
I’ve heard he’s headed to DC, but I’m not sure who is there. You’d think his first stop would be to Jeannette, PA. I’ve also heard he has to be back in Foxboro by next Wednesday, so it’ll be close.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Next Wednesday?
As in a week from today? That will be awkward since the team is leaving for Indy Sunday.
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I meant.
But yes, next Wednesday. Honestly, I don’t know how he’s been splitting time, but it’s got to be torture on his sleep patterns.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Today is the last day off.
Super Bowl practices start tomorrow morning in Foxboro, continue through Sat, and then the team leaves for Indy Sunday. I can’t imagine he is on the road more than today and getting back tomorrow.
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Also,
I share your curiousity on Cox. Maybe there is some other surprise in the works that we never heard? He’s about to pull Diggs with an assist from LJ?
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt it, as well as Ronald Darby before anyone mentions him.
Maybe some ‘13 prospects if BOB thinks the ’12 class is sewn up or the remaining targets are sufficiently recruited. I just don’t know.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
So,
you haven’t got your BOBjack installed yet?
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
FLAGGED!
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is he on FlightAware?
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Good question.
Don’t we have a resident expert commenter here? Works in aviation or something? Can he get BOB an assigned tracking number?
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Getting a new BPS for my birthday.
Ya know – BOB Positioning System.
Gonna be all the rage, yo.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Jan 25, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like
The little lady better watch out.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
I see what you did there.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Jan 26, 2012 5:25 AM EST up reply actions
Still thinking out loud here,
what are the chances of another run at Severin? Now that we have his teammate in the fold maybe he has been doing some work on him.
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
They've already hired his replacement
Which I’m sure helps.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
DC huh?
that’s where Eddie Goldman lives
"My kitchen is a mess y'all" Paula Deen
by Dr.TobiasFunke on Jan 25, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
You once shaved Marion Berry's image into your chest hair didn't you?
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Does it count as only once if you keep
using the razor to maintain the image? Or is each subsequent shaving another time? That could impact whether he “once” shaved Marion’s image.
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
"Dang Blade set me up!"
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Jan 25, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really did the heart thing once, but this really has me thinking...
I wonder how complex a design I could shave. I have the thick, dark chest hair of a Mediterranean man. If I can shave Marion Barry so that he is recognizable, I should.
Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line
If I pulled off a Marion Barry chest shave, I'd be too engorged to tuck.
Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line
Dont give urban ideas!
I am going to be furious if I see a Brenneman portrait on urb’z chest next year
I wouldn't get my hopes up that he's visiting a big 2012 name.
And the report could have been wrong (imagine that). I think Cox, and maybe Morgan now, are the only two names that we’ll keep an eye on for the last week. The rest of the class should be relatively low fanfare.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
So you are guaranteeing a huge splashy signing
next Wednesday! Sweet!
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Meh.
That’s the best way to describe this class. The only thing really keeping me moderately positive is the hope that the new staff has more skill in player development than that of the outgoing group.
We all knew this class was going to be a little rough. That said though, I like BOB’s philosophy and am looking forward to seeing what he and his staff can do with their first full class in 2013.
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I'm sure I'll be in the minority on this....and I don't know, maybe I'm just waxing poetic from the sorrow over the weekend,
but I want to believe this is going to be a special class. I look back at the class of DWill, JKing, and others and see how that changed PSU football for the back half of this decade and hope this class could be like that. They aren’t close in talent, but this is a group of kids who have made a commitment to PSU during one of the toughest/darkest times in the programs history. Maybe none of these kids will turn out to be stars or set records like that previous class, but this is the last class brought in during the JoePa era. They chose PSU to be a part of something special, even when everyone outside tells them what a horrible place PSU is now. I want to believe that in 10 years we’ll look back and at the very least, see this class bridged the gap between era’s. And when PSU could have been staring at a 2nd coming of the "Dark Years", these kids stepped in and helped keep PSU going. I just wish all of these kids success and it shows a lot about the character of each one of them. It’s not about how many stars they have, but about what kind of kids/men they are and are going to be. I think there is nothing that helps keep Joe’s memory alive like a group of under the radar, hard working kids who will hopefully overachieve and succeed.
(I posted this on the Bench commit thread, but think it fits better here)
by GMac14 on Jan 25, 2012 1:23 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Ok but this is last time I'm going to Rec this :)
"My kitchen is a mess y'all" Paula Deen
by Dr.TobiasFunke on Jan 25, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I appreciate the positive spin. Wish I shared the optimism.
One thing I will say is that I completely agree with your comments regarding the character of these young men. The fact that they are committing and standing by PSU during a difficult time is commendable. It’s something the more highly recruited guys couldn’t get past.
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When I think of these new commits
I don’t necessarily look at them as men of high character for coming to PSU. After all, most of them had offers from inferior programs prior to State entering the picture. There are exceptions to this, obv, and they do get credit for coming to PSU this year of all years, but let’s keep some perspective – they’re getting a lot out of the deal.
by stewsplace on Jan 25, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's the way that I'm looking at it too.
I mean, let’s be honest and use QB commit Steven Bench as an example:
Of course it’s great that he’s coming here to play football and we’re happy that he decided to get a great education at one of the finest academic institutions on the planet and that he will hopefully make the world a better place like every student that graduated from Dear Old State before him, but purely from a football perspective, PSU is a better program than Rice and it’s certainly better than the FCS schools that gave him offers, so picking Penn State is a no-brainer. This is the ultimate example of a recruit buying low.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Jan 25, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I certainly agree with your point.
My comment is geared more toward them looking past the current situation. And I should have specified that I speak more for those that have stayed with us through everything, not the newer 2* guys that had no FBS offers. I like the loyalty to the school the original commits have shown while others fled.
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I understand
And my response was probably meant more for Gmac.
by stewsplace on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree these kids are getting a lot out of the deal....
but they would have got a lot out of the deal at the other schools as well. If PSU turns out to be as toxic as everybody else is saying it is, then these kids took a big risk coming. And it could have basically ruined their playing careers by coming here. (I personally don’t think PSU is toxis by any means, but what the national media has done lately sure makes it seem that way)
I’m not saying these kids deserve bronze statues built for them because they chose PSU, I’m just saying I’d love to give the benefit of the doubt to these kids. Are they top prospects? No. But they made the decision to come to Happy Valley and be a part of something that’s bigger than just football. And for that, I respect them. And with what happened recently, I’d rather be hopeful about their future than be down on it. We can be down on things in a month of two. But right now, I’ve had enough sadness with PSU in the past few months. I’m just looking for a little optimism and these kids committing to play here isn’t a bad place to start.
I could not agree more!
I truly believe this will not only be a special class but BOB (his red bull personality) will have ZERO issues motivating the boys!
Color me crazy…I believe JoePa is going to have a HUGE impact on this team!
Let the rebuttals and “get the f@$& out of here” begin…
and besides
it always has been and always will be more than just winning football games. What those kids do the other 350 days a year is what truly counts. First and foremost, let’s hope they get the fine educations they were promised and help keep the Grand Experiment alive.
My twitters say
Wayne Morgan (NY) 4 star (QB/DB) recruit may flip to penn state currently choosing between Syracuse and UConn
"My kitchen is a mess y'all" Paula Deen
Wayne Morgan is a new development.
He’s a former UM silent verbal, who lost his spot when the class filled up/he was passed by other targets. Whether he’s in serious contention this late in the game is anyone’s guess, but he could be a replacement for Reeves or Cox (likely Cox in that scenario, as both Morgan and Cox project as safeties).
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Only that he's TOO MATURE!
OOOOH WAH AH AH AH!
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Concern I've seen is actually around his play.
Some think he’s not that great of a DB and is rated too highly in the state of NY.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
silent verbal....
How is one silently verbal?
"Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last"
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 25, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Tells the staff that he's in, but prolongs publicly for whatever reason.
I find them to be stupid, but apparently they exist. Some have said that Noah Spence was a silent PSU verbal after Cam Williams started recruiting him. Obviously you can see how binding any of this is before Signing Day.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still kinda pissed
That the ‘oral commitment’ thing didn’t take hold.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Joe gives the media a silent verbal.
I am going to miss him . . .
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 25, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
hes thinking
“can you hear this, how bout if i turn the volume up for ya”
by swiggy04 on Jan 25, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is what It Is
This class is what it is and hopefully the players in this class turn out to be great players. We have enough underclassman too stay a solid football team. The coaches foucus should be on next years class. Adam Breneman seems to be ours to lose and if they let him go to another school it will be all on them. Start out strng and our class next year will be incredible!
Looking at the roster above...
The team depth is definitely shallow at CB and S… Cox and Morgan would be nice, needed additions… plus switching 1 from WR or ATH to DB is probably in order.
by PSU_Ovaltine68 on Jan 25, 2012 2:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This class doesnt need to be world beaters
I think we should have enough residual talent in the last few recruiting years that this class just needs to have a few leaders. Guys who, when they are seniors, can take the reins and lead this team full of hopefully star studded recruits the new staff is going to bring in in the future.
You can survive one mediocre class. Its when you follow it up with bad classes that you get into trouble.
The fact that these guys have stuck with us throughout our recent issues shows me no evidence that they cant be high character leaders in the future.
To be fair, the 2011 class was mediocre as well.
247Sports (33rd), Scout (34th), Rivals (35th). BOB needs to hit 2013 hard, and it needs to be a big one.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Last year is a bit misleading in terms of rankings, in my opinion.
Last year’s class was top 25 in average stars. The small class size hurt the rankings.
However, that does highlight just how mediocre this year’s class is turning out, and the negative impact it could have. With many more players we are going to rank lower even lower. If you took the last two years and average out the number of players and average stars, you could argue that a poor recruiting year this year has turned into a negative two-year impact. That alone won’t knock the program down talent wise, but one more sub-par year and we could be in for a short BOB-tenure.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah last year we had a really high average level of recruit.
We just had very few scholarships to go around. I’m a bit more concerned about this year, but really, I don’t see too many “gambles” in this class. These are through and through a bunch of guys that look like they can all be solid contributors.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Average stars
much more important than total points IMO.
More important than that is the ability to identify and develop talent that will work for the system in place, for the most part.
Not sure about "knocking the program down"
As a post some months ago detailed – the old coaching staff didn’t exactly coach players up to their potential or star rankings (generally speaking). So with a new energetic staff, we could be mildly surprised with the transition and product on the field. Staying optimistic
by stewsplace on Jan 25, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks Junny
For all the work you do putting this together so us bums don’t have to sign up for premium sites.
Much appreciated.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 25, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
It's actually enjoyable.
And it helps me keep things straight. I still haven’t figured out a solution to keeping track of all of the recruits, visits, opponents visits, etc., but the scholarship/depth chart and commit tracker is pretty handy.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Does it help with Skyler
that his dad wasnt hired for the Oakland position? Or are we just out of it because of our request for him to play safety?
Probably the latter.
And the whole coaching change. It looks like he’s in the running for one of the remaining Florida spots, and VaTech is still in play. Really, you could add his name to the “Watch until the end” list along with Cox and Morgan.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit
it’s a VHS tape. I wonder how many current recruits even know what that is?
Why am I not surprised
that the most advanced technology in the office he inherited is a VCR?
What about that giant monitor?
I’d be all for that.
Holy
You brought up the DAT tape. Major props there
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I had a roommate.
In 1998 he took DAT tapes from Phish tapers and burned first generation tapes. It seems so trite at the time, but I was able to listen to the whole Summer Tour in 1998 only a day or two after the shows. Now you can download them on your phone walking out of the venue, but then it was a major privilege.
I actually let the guy live in my apartment for free for the summer with the proviso being that I got full access to the DAT player and was allowed to make tapes of anything I wanted for the entire summer.
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Did you tie an onion to your belt that summer?
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And smoked it.
Just to make sure.
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It's a prop
He is going to tear the tape apart to impress recruits
by psfann on Jan 25, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Too small
I think it might be an external disk drive. Guess PSU’s not on the cloud.
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by kijana's acl on Jan 25, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Does the new staff want him to play safety?
If that’s the case, they must really see something in Bench that they like or are just looking at a better QB coming in during the 2013 class. Seems like it would be a bit of a gamble with the QB’s currently on the roster to move the highest rated (possible) QB recruit to another position.
I'm not sure where the safety rumor started, but I"ve seen it around.
I do know that there are a couple highly rated QB recruits that the staff are after in ‘13. What I don’t know is the validity of the safety rumor, nor the openness of Mornhinweg to it.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
The first person to start the safety rumor
was Sekrah. So, yeah, I’ll go on not believing that.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
BOB
looks like he is awkwardly practicing a very poor Welcome speech for the new recruits in front of a mirror. “Welcome…new recruits. Thank you for choosing to come to Penn State. I was afraid that on your way to [pauses to read cue cards] State College that you might commit to Ohio State. [waits for polite laughter]”
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I love the depth chart, Junny (in addition to all of the other info, of course).
It has caused all kinds of questions stirring in my mind. I think the one that sticks out for me most is: What does BOB do with our FBs? Building on that, if he likes Zordich’s lead blocking ability and fire, but maybe not his hands etc, but doesn’t plan to keep the FB position long term, is Zwinak a candidate to go Cooley-style-H-Back? If we see some surprise production out of a player in that mold, it would be almost like a new recruiting addition.
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I forgot to put in the disclaimer
That the depth chart was obviously not a rigid sheet, especially along the lines. That chart will change a million times before September 1; for today’s purposes, it was simply a placeholder for our 65 scholarships.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, no, I think that's pretty clear.
But it’s fun to mentally shift players around, and even think about how the formations may change. I can see Zwinak moving all around the field and creating mismatches. If BOB is trying to do the same things the Pats offense does now, seems like he could be a good tool for that.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 25, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's a good point and I've wondered if the traditional FB position may be done at PSU
at least while BOB is the head coach. I’m not saying that’s a good or bad thing, but definitely something that needs to be watched more closely.
WHAT!?!?!?!
But I just joined recently and created this username!
Must it now be Run_The_Play_To_The_Best_Player_On_The_Roster_Or_Bust???
That has no ring to it!
by FB_Dive_or_Bust on Jan 25, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I was wondering why Shrive was so low. I remember being excited about him when he came here, but I’m not sure I’ve seen him do anything.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Jan 25, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
So is BOB using JoePa's office?
That has to be wierd.
I was thinking that myself
I’d ask for another and make it a museum
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by pmm156 on Jan 25, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's weird is that it's his office now.
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UPDATE ONE - Geographic Assignments
Something I didn’t cover in the post because it’s still a work in progress – geographic assignments. I don’t think there is any doubting that LJSr. will continue to blanket the VA/MD/DC area with his man hugs. But what about everyone else. A member of 247Sports with a good deal of knowledge on Penn State recruiting and a solid reputation for quality recruiting information posted the following predictions, based on the staff’s previous responsibilities, reprinted with his express permission:
Godsey: FL
Hixon: FL
Roof: GA, FL, AL
London: Mid Atlantic
Strollo: New England
MacWhorter: Probably won’t recruit a lot, but FL and GA
LJ: MD, VA
Vandy: MI, IL, IN, OH
Butler: SC
I tend to agree with a good deal of this. Some of it will change as we see which recruits are talking to which coaches, but we know a lot of this is true already. Roof is going to be our Georgia man, while BOB has made it clear he wants multiple coaches in Florida.
Noticeably absent are two core states. New Jersey is difficult, as we’ve never done too much damage there. Though talent levels aren’t ever extremely high, it would be nice to be able to establish some good ties to the area. John Strollo is from NJ, but Vanderlinden and Butler have each recruited there as well.
The other state is Pennsylvania. BOB has stated that each coach will have an area of PA to recruit, but splitting PA into 10 distinct areas seems silly, so it’s likely that BOB meant the state will be split up into sections, and coaches assigned. Who takes those sections is still a guess. You’ll notice above that Vandy is a good choice to take over the bulk of the midwest, so assigning him western PA makes a good deal of sense.
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It ain't far off, if Bradley goes to Iowa.
Five-star WR Robert Foster from Monaca, PA. Already an impressive offer sheet (though it doesn’t include Iowa yet).
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
surprised they dont have Butler as the PA guy
isnt he from PA?
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Philly, I believe.
Which means he’ll almost certainly get the SEPA beat.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Also 2 other things
Not sure I like Strollo as the sole New England guy, and do we really need 4 guys in Florida? I get we want to recruit there more, but I dont know if dedicated 4 guys outside your traditional area is a great idea.
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Yea, this is where I see the first bend in BOB's recruiting rhetoric coming from.
I can see spreading out the southern guys to include Florida AND another state. But any more than two dedicated Florida recruiters seems to wear thin the rest of the resources.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
What about Texas?
Maybe McWhorter won’t be recruiting much, but it wouldn’t hurt to have him keeping his eyes open through his Texas contacts.
by Willie Green on Jan 25, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
NJ Difficult ?
For as long as I can remember PS has hit NJ hard. McCreary and Anderson used to hit NJ aggressivly. NJ produces a ton of talent although most of it leaves there is still a ton of talent there. PS has has a great deal of sucess there in the past always grabbing 3,4 or 5 kids from there. I think it would be A HUGE mistake casting aside NJ.
UPDATE TWO - Programming Note
I’ll be recording a podcast this weekend with an OSU and Michigan blogger, each of whom are well versed in their respective recruiting. We’re going to discuss each school, recruiting in general, and what the future holds for three schools, none of which have the same head coach they did two years ago.
Stay tuned, as we hope to have it out early next week, before OMGSIGNINGDAY!
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Items likely not discussed
Pissing on graves and blogistani douchery.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Yesterday I did
And may so again.
But I saw a Zug tweet quoting JoePa’s advice to never get into a pissing match with a skunk, so I’m going with that for today.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Breaking that leg
in mop up duty against Wisconsin pretty much sealed the deal.
by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BOB needs to put this kid on his radar!
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1323021
Sounds like the kid is getting a raw deal because his parents don’t have him documented properly for UGA. Not really sure why this is a problem in this instance as Samoa is a US territory. UGA’s loss should be turned into PSU’s gain!
May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.
Phew!
Thought that kid had a forehead tattoo there for a split second.
by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There's more Samoa than just American Samoa.
Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line
French?
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
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jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
by jtothep on Jan 25, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This
is the best and only Girl Scout Cookie they should sell.
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Ouch.
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Frozen Thin Mints belong in that discussion.
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by kijana's acl on Jan 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've said it before and I'll say it again
Thin Mints are for the 1%.
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by skarocksoi on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I have no idea what that means, but it made me chuckle
Thanks.
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by kijana's acl on Jan 25, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
The 1% with the best taste?
Team Frozen Thin Mints FTW!
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I'm ashamed to admit how many of those I can put away in one sitting
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by kijana's acl on Jan 25, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be ashamed
I’m pretty positive I can eat my weight in Thin Mints. Plus, if it weren’t for people like us, how would the girl scouts afford new patches? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!
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I will say it
I do not like thin mints. I know I am probably going to get baned now, but I have to admit it. Don’t like mint in my cookies. Give me them Thanks-A-Lots and I can destroy me some of them. And some Tagalongs.
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samoas are the best taste
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I love thin mints
and would love to be in the 1%. I would try not to be a d-bag, but I would not turn down the money, or the thin mints.
by FB_Dive_or_Bust on Jan 25, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Box of Samoas...
then a sleeve of Thin Mints to cleanse the palate.
by LoggingLion on Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's almost like they custom created that sleeve
for my portion size.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
TWSS
What do they call the really small rubbers?
Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
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I'm with the new guy too
My oldest daughter just joined Girl Scouts and I’m trying to stop myself from buying 10,000 boxes of Samoas.
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Girl scout cookies are overrated
yeah I said it
Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
it is like the McRib
there is only a craze b/c you can only get them certain times of the year
Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
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#Teamtagalong
but let’s be serious here. I love every single Girl Scout Cookie.
Except trefoils. Fuck Trefoils.
False
I run through those like a wood chipper. Very underrated cookie.
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by skarocksoi on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seems like these classes should produce some good starters, and have a lot of those diamond in the rough types
That go to the Big East schools and we wonder how we missed them
Depth is one thing I’d be worried about right now though
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The Samoan Archipelago
isn’t. Right?
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That pic of BOB
reminds me of Rory McCann (Game of Thrones, Hot Fuzz).
Hmm, uncanny


jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Yarp
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by Dr.TobiasFunke on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
If BOB rolls his chin to the right just a bit
then the next thing out of his mouth could be, “Im Bill S. Preston, Esquire.” or something about San Dimas.
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Their high school football rules?
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Chin
That chin just draws my eyes right to it every time I see his picture.
Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".
it is almost like a third eye
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
by BMAN13 on Jan 25, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kinda like the Mole
The Austin Powers mole.
by COTB on Jan 25, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
when you said the Mole, I thought Cindy Crawford, not Austin Powers but that is just me, nothing wrong with thinking Austin Powers.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
by BMAN13 on Jan 26, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cindy Crawford . . .
Moles used to mean something.
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Aaaanddd
Another recable thread.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Was he the one who decommitted to Wisky?
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by kijana's acl on Jan 25, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
That was OL JJ Denman.
Who then decommitted to Rutgers. Holtz is from the Pgh area.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 25, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
So who is the NY guy they are after?
I heard that was a ATH or something like that out of the NY area.
These google ads you have are creepy.
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ugh, turning out to be a disapointing class
I knew it would be tough going this year but dam. We used to get nothing but 4 star recruits with some 3’s & 5’s sprinkled in now we’re battling non-football powers for 2 star kids. While I have never been a huge believer in some rankings of 18 yr olds this is very concerning. Even more concerning is, isn’t this Holtz kid a TE ? Doesn’t he see what BOB does with TEs ? The whole Patriot offense is now geared to their 2 beasts. IDK, hopefully next year will be better but I just can’t picture us grabbing too many kids from OSU and UM. If we can’t keep the PA & NJ kids in State College we are in real trouble.
The gap between those two and the rest of the Big Ten is enormous at this point. PSU will get better, but it will take a long time.
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Luckily, Penn State has a lot of true fans who are intelligent and will support the program even through the coming lean years. Many programs do not have that.
by Bud Elliott on Jan 26, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
The gap is very large for a variety of reasons (namely Meyer, Hoke, Mattison, et al.).
But I don’t think it will take as long as you might think for PSU to get up to their level. BOB has surrounded himself with a good number of quality recruiters (Butler and London seem like they will be beasts out there), as well as hitting the trail pretty hard already. For example, a PSU plane went from DC (contact still unknown) to Latrobe (Demetrious Cox?) to New York (Wayne Morgan?) to Boston all in one day yesterday.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Collecting frequent flyer miles.
Will come in handy when we play in the BCS MNC game next season.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 26, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I only experienced Butler during his one year at USC, so take this with a grain of salt..
He didn’t do anything of note on the recruiting trail.
Still unconfirmed, but it appears as if Demetrious Cox will announce live on Pittsburgh area TV next Tuesday.
Looks like a PSU/OSU/MSU battle.
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I hope it is on a public access channel.
Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line
So long as they don't preempt any solid reporting on the truth of Kris and the Boxcar.
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One of these days I'm going to break down and buy that book.
Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
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I dont look at this favorably
Sounds like an Ohio State kid
by ReddWhitenBlue on Jan 27, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Butler & London ?
To be honest with you, I am not well versed on those two as far as recruiters. I know Vandy and Johnson are real good, and it sounds like BOB could be pretty good. I am just not sure of Butler or Landon and MacWhorter for that matter. The thing that bothers me more is that we really didn’t out recruit UM or OSU even with OSU on probation and non-bowling and UM having a few really bad years ( excluding last year).
Never done too much damage in NJ ?
For as long as I can remember PS has hit NJ hard. McCreary and Anderson used to hit NJ aggressivly. NJ produces a ton of talent although most of it leaves there is still a ton of talent there. PS has has a great deal of sucess there in the past always grabbing 3,4 or 5 kids from there. I think it would be A HUGE mistake casting aside NJ.

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