Peter Alexis Relinquishes Basketball Scholarship
David Jones broke the news last week that freshman center Peter Alexis was going to vacate his basketball scholarship after this season. Jones offers his own opinion in the article that the decision was made because Alexis 'has not suitably impressed Chambers with his level of play'. There have been no reports or quotes yet from Coach Chambers or anyone involved with the program about the decision. We will likely get answers at Chambers' weekly presser today when Jones inevitably brings it up.
Back in 2010, when PSU was on a 12-game losing streak and finished last in the Big Ten behind lowly Indiana and Iowa, fans' feelings towards Ed DeChellis had soured. I wrote that the time to make a coaching change was then, even if that meant leaving Talor and his class in limbo heading into their senior year. That way the new coach not only had remaining talent to work with his first year, but he'd also have plenty of opening scholarships to fill with his own guys right away. Obviously, that's not how it played out.
Chambers got to inherit a full roster of young players with only two true upperclassmen. The scholarships aren't there for him to bring in his own guys to fit his system. That has left him in a very tough position as a new coach. Does he base the future of the program on how well he can turn these inherited players into a formidable Big Ten team? DeChellis and his staff weren't the worst recruiters in the world, but their success rate on the recruiting trail was probably about 40%. There have been plenty of misses for every Jamelle Cornley, Geary Claxton, and Talor Battle. The early returns on the 5-man 2011 class seem to fit this standard with a few capable players and a few not so capable.
During the announcement of Chambers' hiring, he discussed with the media the possibility of having 'carefrontations', a term he coined to describe these kind of conversations; 'I care about you, but it's not working out here'. We don't know all of the facts about this decision, but from the surface it looks pretty obvious that Alexis was the first carefrontation considering the timing with PSU's hot pursuit of 2012 F Sheldon Jeter. There were no 2012 scholarships open until this news broke. It turns out Jeter finally got his official offer from the staff two days before Jones' story broke.
Alexis was the first commitment for DeChellis in this 2011 class (with the exception of Trey Burke). When he committed, he spoke very highly of the school moreso than basketball or DeChellis. From all accounts, he is in love with Penn State. He is currently in the Division of Undergraduate Studies (undeclared), but he has mentioned pursuing an engineering degree multiple times. There is nothing that suggests that Alexis isn't worthy of keeping his scholarship for anything off the court.
The situation challenges the core purpose of the NCAA, which is stated as:
Our purpose is to govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner, and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount.
If Alexis was given his release because he wasn't good enough at basketball, clearly his educational experience wasn't considered a priority. He has the opportunity to walk-on at Penn State or transfer to another college and sit out a year. He does have 4 years of eligibility, since he hasn't seen the floor this season. A great fit for Alexis would be somewhere in the Patriot League, but I don't think Alexis wants to give up the Penn State experience. I personally think there's a great chance Alexis returns to the team next year as walk-on, but that's just a hunch.
This kind of move, if it was in fact based off of strictly Alexis' basketball ability, should make many of the Penn State pride brigade uneasy. One wouldn't blink an eye if this happened in the SEC, but it's something many PSU fans criticize the SEC and other programs for. It seems the importance of winning is outweighing the priority of education here. Would this fall under 'the Paterno Way'? Probably not, but it's important to realize how premium basketball scholarships are compared to football. Basketball would be allowed 20 scholarships if it was proportioned to the ratio of football scholarships to players needed to field a team. Instead, there are only 13, leaving very little room for mistakes on the recruiting trail.
I grew up on college athletics being a business. I didn't grow up on the Grand Experiment. These kind of decisions don't bother me. I've seen too many players in this program get a free education despite doing nothing to prove they were worthy of the scholarship offer. This program has lost so much that perhaps adopting some of this mainstream culture in NCAA athletics might not be such a bad thing, even if it makes us a little uncomfortable. I don't want to sound like I would rather see us sell our soul to win, but this situation is very reasonable, in my opinion, if it was handled the right way. Alexis will have plenty of quality opportunities if he doesn't stay at PSU. I would be much more concerned if Chambers started cutting his own players. If this is the 'dirtiest' Chambers ever gets, I'll be a happy fan.
The situation unfortunately is unfair to everybody, and it's likely Alexis won't be the first to be carefronted. It's not fair to Chambers' to have his job success depend on other coach's players, it's not fair to Tim Frazier to hold the team back so someone else can get a free education, but it's also not fair to Alexis, who possibly just had his scholarship pulled for no wrongdoing of his own. It could have been avoided if a coaching decision was made at the end of the 2010 season, but it's not like DeChellis was ever fired, anyway.
Coach Chambers has been universally applauded across the whole fan base. I haven't seen anyone criticize anything he has done since he was hired in June. The team this season has unquestionably exceeded expectations. However, this could be the first move that draws some disapproval among the Penn State faithful. Be sure to tune into Chambers' response at his afternoon press conference.
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No Sir, I don't like it.
I realize it’s a new coach, but the kid made his decision to come here because the program asked him to please attend.
I’m getting a sleazy SEC feeling here.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Jan 30, 2012 6:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
No Sir...

All of our comments are irrelevant - LetsGoPSU
by jaytay13 on Jan 30, 2012 7:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You saw what I did there.
+1
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Jan 30, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
not a big deal.
This really isn’t a big deal. It’s not sleazy. Sit them down, let them know they don’t fit into your plans – and give them the options.
a. walk-on here.
b. go somewhere else where you can play. I’ll call my people and help get you where you want to be.
He’s been practicing for 3 months. I think Coach Chambers has a sense of the kids talent level and ceiling. End of story.
Sounds a bit underhanded to me.
I don’t like it.
If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.
Eh... A little shady if you ask me
But until there’s more information released I guess we have to assume Chambers made an honorable decision. I kind of doubt Chambers is under enormous pressure to win now, and so I kind of doubt that was the only reason he did this.
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
Kind of where I am
need more info before I can make a call one way or the other.
For now though, I voted no because it feels a little dirty.
"In every life there have to be some shadows. Look at me. My life has been filled with sunshine. A beautiful and caring wife. Five healthy children. I got to do what I loved. How many people are that lucky?" THE Joseph Vincent Paterno.
right, and the question was posed in such a way that it was asking our feelings if this was purely based on athletic skill.
If that is the case, then nope, don’t like it at all. If Alexis was slacking off and not actually trying that is one thing, but I look at athletic scholarships as a school saying, “hey, I like what I see. I’m gonna give this kid a full education, and as long as he tries both on the field/court/rink/whatever, and in the classroom, then he will have earned that scholarship.”
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 30, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I voted that I don't like it but
ALexis is not Chamber’s recruit. When you hire a new coach there are things the new coach should have leeway to work with and evaluating the players that were here from the previous regime should be permitted. What if a player had a poor attitude or just didn’t fit in with the team, should the new guy be stuck with giving him a ship for the remainder of his time. Even if it is performance based, what if it is such a huge difference in ability that he can’t even help in the practice arena? When abilities are evaluated you can have a kid, even at the college level that is not only dangerous to himself to be competing with certain other athletes but dangerous to the rest of the team. I just don’t know enough to judge this situation. I don’t want it to become common practice when Chambers gets his own players in but during the transition period this is how coaches build teams faster. Look at what Creen did in Indiana, he released over half the squad his first year. Chambers isn’t purging like that.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
I don't know if something like this exists, but it would be nice if there was some sort of exemption for coaching changes
where a school can either choose to keep the kid on athletic scholarship or change the kid over to a purely academic scholarship without it counting towards the team totals/have any other sort of penalty about it. That way an incoming coach doesn’t have to screw over kids just because they don’t fit his style and/or ability expectations, since he’s still spending those first few years proving that he deserves the job and the pressure will be there to get rid of certain underperformers.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I like this.
But you really have to enforce it for it to be effective. Something like, if a kid is moved to academic scholarship, he cannot play more than 20% of available minutes on a season or something. Or were you suggesting a move to the academic scholarship removes him from the team?
That kid who tackled Talor Battle.
removes him from the team
Since that’s basically what is (allegedly) happening here anyway: the kid is removed from the team, but now all of a sudden he’s faced with coming up with tens of thousands of dollars for college, and there’s the chance (not sure how well off his family is financially, but I’m sure there are plenty of athletes out there who don’t have that kind of money sitting around) that he’ll have to leave school.
Of course there’s still the issue of why does this kid deserve a scholarship just because he was once an athlete when there are plenty of non-athletes as deserving or more than a scholarship, but for me it comes down to keeping your word (and yes, I know that scholarships are only granted on a 1 year basis, but I think that is BS as well).
Maybe make the new academic scholarship contingent upon helping the team/school out in some other way (like being a manager, or even just doing janitorial type stuff)
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Crean at IU not a good comparison
because those dismissals had absolutely nothing to do with basketball. From a basketball standpoint, Tom Crean would have loved to keep Kelvin Sampson’s players. Do you really think he WANTED to get rid of Eric Gordon and Jordan Crawford (or Armon Bassett or Jamarcus Ellis for that matter)? Bassett and Ellis were showing up at practice stoned and were suspended by the interim coach (Dakich, no connection to Crean) and when they failed drug tests (twice) Crean kicked them off the team. The other guys (McGee and Deandre Thomas) wouldn’t show up to practice out of loyalty to Sampson. He was left with, literally, Kyle Tabor (walk on) and no one else. There were open tryouts on campus for players. There is a reason IU sucked so hard the last three years, but it isn’t because Crean kicked out Sampson’s players for what he perceived to be better talent.
Regardless of what you think about Chambers’ moves here, Crean wasn’t the impetus behind 90% of the departures at IU and was responsible for the other 10% only in the sense that he was the coach that dismissed the kids for doing
by Blue_in_NOLA on Jan 30, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Last paragraph should have been deleted
But you get the point
by Blue_in_NOLA on Jan 30, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't have a problem with what Crean did. It had to be done to change the environment
Doesn’t matter if a guy has to go because he can’t play or because he can’t be part of what the new coach thinks a TEAM should reflect. Sometimes you have to purge some players. Its whether in a case like this if it is amicable or not that makes a difference.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
I dunno
I saw many lost academic scholarships because the students didn’t hold up their end of the deal. If the kid accepted one of the few scholarships reserved for student-athletes, he’s gotta keep up with all that that entails. That’s a lot to put on a freshman (or anybody). But he has no right to drag down the whole team if he’s not working out.
"I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part."
-Eric "Otter" Stratton (Tim Matheson), Animal House, Universal Pictures (1978).
I don't often see this point of view brought up,
but it’s an extremely valid one. You can lose an academic scholarship if you aren’t smart enough to keep your GPA above certain mark, which then frees that money up for other students to take advantage of that scholarship. Why can’t you lose your athletic scholarship if you aren’t good at sports, freeing that money up for someone who is better?
Basically what I’m trying to say here is, the NCAA is a farce. One man managed to balance athletics with a higher standard of academics, but it wasn’t because the NCAA made him do it. And now, he’s no longer among us.
Isn't it also the responsibility of the athlete
If he/she is receiving a scholarship and is not performing up to the team standrard, to realize they are in over their head?
I DO NOT want this to become common practice, but in Pat’s case, he inherited a lot of players that don’t fit his system.
If student doesn’t perform academically while on an academic scholarship, can’t they have the scholarship taken away?
Its not a great situation...but it seems tough decisions had to be made.
This doesn’t completely smash his chance at an education. It just affects his chance of receiving a free Penn State education, which most of us would say is a privilege, not a right.
You mentioned the scenarios that would still help him, such as being a walk-on, or getting a free ride at another school.
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by OMEGAMAN on Jan 30, 2012 7:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
^ This
He was given an opportunity to receive a great scholarship because of his performance in the classroom and on the court. If one of the two are not fulfilled, then the institution has a right to revoke said scholarship and grant it to someone who can uphold its standard better.
However, more details are needed. So ignore above till further notice :P
Here we go again
Guilty in the court of public opinion WITHOUT all the facts. Seems I heard this just a few short weeks ago. One would hope that Penn Staters have learned that we should wait for the facts to come out before voicing an opinion.
The opponents of paying athletes on scholarship take the position that the room, board and education are worth many $$$ and that should be enough. If you are not good enough, don’t like the coach, don’t feel like working, don’t fit in, etc,etc then why should you be paid? In the real world, which is what you are supposed to be learning in college, you serve at the pleasure of your employer. You can quit any time and they can fire you any time for no reason. Seems like we just went through that too.
by bluebellgolfer on Jan 30, 2012 8:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
No one's proclaiming anyone guilty.
The question asked was IF it was only because he’s not ‘good enough’.
There may be more to the story, but that wasn’t part of the question.
Relax.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Jan 30, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
I did my best to state the facts weren't known.
It’s a situation I thought warranted some attention. PSU would raise an eyebrow and criticize if it happened at another school. We need to be able to look and question ourselves, too.
That kid who tackled Talor Battle.
Out of everything that was written
and out of all the comments saying that there wasn’t enough information, THAT is what you took from it? Good grief man.
"In every life there have to be some shadows. Look at me. My life has been filled with sunshine. A beautiful and caring wife. Five healthy children. I got to do what I loved. How many people are that lucky?" THE Joseph Vincent Paterno.
And just what did you take from it???
Pro-NCAA sports is a business. That’s fact and it should be treated that way.
by bluebellgolfer on Jan 30, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I never said it wasn't
"In every life there have to be some shadows. Look at me. My life has been filled with sunshine. A beautiful and caring wife. Five healthy children. I got to do what I loved. How many people are that lucky?" THE Joseph Vincent Paterno.
In a lot of senses it is a business.
TV contracts, ticket sales, food services at venues etc. There are a lot of business aspects. But on the student-athlete level it should never be treated that way.
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 30, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not a great situation for the student
but he shouldn’t have been offered a basketball scholarship to PSU to begin with.
I’d like to think that Chambers gave him a choice:
1. go somewhere you can start/play significant minutes
2. stay here and never see the court because you’re not a good fit
3. stay here and be part of our program in a different (walk-on) role
Chambers’ job is to win, not to coddle players. Basketball rosters aren’t very big, after all.
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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 30, 2012 8:19 AM EST reply actions
Just looked at his profile-
Alexis is 6’11’’. He may or may not be very talented, but I’m sure there are tons of schools that want an almost 7 footer that they can work with.
Dark Knight feeling, die and be a hero-or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.-Jay-Z
Also:
can we caption the photo in this article as “U MAD, BRO?”
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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 30, 2012 8:20 AM EST reply actions
I don't like getting rid of guys
just because they are not great at sports, but give their all both on the field (court) or academically. I do understand basketball is different than football because of the scholarships, but it still irks me. However in this case I voted I was ok with it because I am hoping Chambers sat down with the guy and thought through options and maybe it is a mutual decision that will benefit the player and the team.
Too many variables to make an informed decision yet.
Where’s Alexis from, what’s his family situation, can he/they afford to pay for a PSU education? Maybe this will kick him in the pants and he’ll work really hard on earning that scholarship back. And if you’re not good enough to play basketball at PSU, there’s no way you’re headed to the NBA anyway. The focus is completely on the education, and there are plenty of places to get a quality engineering education that would also be more than willing to offer him a basketball scholarship.
But at the end of the day, Alexis is no different than any other PSU student. Tens of thousands of kids go to PSU every semester without a basketball scholarship because they’re not good enough at basketball to merit one. Why should Alexis get a free ride for basketball when he’s no more qualified than the IM basketball champs?
Great post
Thanks for writing it.
I voted with the majority that I approve of the decision. As you mention in the post and as others comment above, a lot depends on the way that Chambers did this. On its face, it seems like the kid is getting a lot of time to find the right place to transfer, and I’d guess that Chambers is willing and happy to work with him to find a good place so he can still get a free education.
It seems crazy to me to argue that “Success with Honor” means being 100% loyal to a roster of players you didn’t recruit or sign for four years. If you’re going to essentially “cut” some of these kids, I have no problem with that, as long as it’s handled the right way. If you help them find a school and/or basketball program that’s a better fit for them, than great, I’m all for it. Same goes if you let the on as a walk-on or equipment manager or whatever. If it’s handled that way, this seems distinct from over-signing, or at least the worst cases of it where kids show up for football in August to learn they don’t have a schoolie.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
And honestly I think a lot of it has to do with the academics while in school
if the guy is just cut after a year or two without taking any classes which actually furthered a degree, then that just doens’t seem right either. I seem to remember an article about a former OSU player who tried to transfer to another school and he didn’t take any classes which could be transfered at all. I might be wrong about that though.
That was a running back who wanted to transfer to Maryland.
I can’t remember all the specifics, but the gist of what you wrote is true – most of his credits wouldn’t transfer. I believe he took all joke classes.
Ok, it’s bugging me. Hold on and enjoy the music while I look it up……….ok, here it is (it’s ESPN so I won’t link it):
Cooper belly-laughed; he knew the type. Sammy, a B-student with 960 SATs, was a good kid, if a bit aloof. That didn’t deter Cooper. A few weeks later, there was a press conference at Harrison High. Maldonado was going to become a Buckeye.
That fall, Maldonado lugged his first handoff seven yards off tackle for a touchdown against Penn State. He would rush 22 times for 50 yards as a freshman behind senior Derek Combs and junior Jonathan Wells. Buckeye fans chanted for The Bull whenever he saw the field, and even pestered his parents for autographs after games.
But after another loss to Michigan, Ohio State fired Cooper, and Jim Tressel-architect of four national titles at Division I-AA Youngstown State-took over. Within a year, Maldonado would be roadkill, unwanted by the team he played for and unable to play for anyone else.
Despite a solid spring and summer that got him up to No. 2 on the depth chart before that next season, Maldonado was on the sideline when August camp opened. He was asked only to participate in sprints at the end of practice, while Wells, now the starter, and freshman Lydell Ross, one of Tressel’s first recruits, shared the running back duties. “I didn’t know what I’d done wrong,” Maldonado says. “I think Tressel wanted the guys he recruited, not the players who were already there.”
Sammy’s mother, Nereyda, came to campus in September and videotaped two weeks of her son standing with his arms crossed during all the drills. Then Rafael flew to Columbus for a face-to-face with the coaches. He says when he asked Tressel why his boy wasn’t playing, the coach told him Sammy made too many mistakes in practice. Pressed again, Tressel insisted the kid sat because of blunders.
“You’re a liar,” Rafael shot back. “I’ve seen two weeks of tape, and Sammy hasn’t even put on his helmet.”
The Maldonados say that Tressel looked stunned when running backs coach Tim Spencer (now with the Chicago Bears) confirmed that Nereyda had attended practice, and they add that the head coach quickly shuffled them out of his office. Sammy barely spoke with the staff the rest of the season; he finished with 39 carries for 168 yards. “I was just some body,” he says, “basically a walk-on.” (Ohio State has declined to discuss anything about Maldonado.) ……….
…………. Sammy Maldonado has made the most of a second chance at Maryland.
But the family and Troilo kept chipping away. Finally, Friedgen told Sammy he could come to College Park.
Then Maryland got a look at his transcript.
IN SIX academic quarters at Ohio State, Maldonado had earned a decent number of credits (his 57 were the equivalent of about 40 at a semester school). He compiled a 2.3 GPA and had never lost his eligibility. But his coursework included four credits for playing football, three for Tressel’s Coaching Football class, 10 for remedial reading, 10 for remedial math and three for Issues Affecting Student Athletes. Six other credits wouldn’t transfer because he earned D’s in two classes. Maldonado couldn’t understand how he had earned only 17 transferable credits in two years. Even today the number pinballs around his head. “What kind of degree can you get from Ohio State if none of your classes count at other colleges?” he asks.
Not much of one, according to The Drake Group, an NCAA watchdog. Members of the organization refer to schools like Ohio State as “football factories” that offer soft courses designed to keep players on the field. “The purpose isn’t to educate and graduate,” says Drake Group associate director David Ridpath. “They’re eligibility mills.”
by J Breezy on Jan 30, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This would seem to insinuate that Jim Tressel lied
What kind of bizzarro world did I step into?
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Insinuate?
Geez, you’re certainly charitable.
Sammy’s mother, Nereyda, came to campus in September and videotaped two weeks of her son standing with his arms crossed during all the drills. Then Rafael flew to Columbus for a face-to-face with the coaches. He says when he asked Tressel why his boy wasn’t playing, the coach told him Sammy made too many mistakes in practice. Pressed again, Tressel insisted the kid sat because of blunders.
"You’re a liar," Rafael shot back. "I’ve seen two weeks of tape, and Sammy hasn’t even put on his helmet."
Carefrontations
The thing is, we don’t know what was said in the “carefrontation”. It may have been completely Alexis’ decision to vacate his scholarship. Maybe Chambers sat him down and gave him an honest assessment that he probably wasn’t going to see much playing time at Penn State and Alexis decided he would rather transfer somewhere like the Patriot league and play. Or Maybe Alexis’ parents are well off or they were responsible and saved $100k for college and they told Chambers, “Coach, Peter really likes playing here, but we can afford to pay his way. Take his scholarship and give it to someone else for the good of the team. We just ask you keep him on as a walk on.”
I don’t have any inside info and I’m totally making these conversations up, but I can’t call this slimy until I hear each side of the story from Chambers and Alexis. But from what I’ve seen of Chambers he wouldn’t just cut a kid unless the kid was on board with it. He can’t go around preaching family and loyalty to recruits if he’s going to heartlessly cut kids.
by BSD on Jan 30, 2012 9:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree.
And if I had to guess, I’d be willing to bet that’s what happened. However, I have been curious as to why Alexis is apparently ignoring his local paper about the situation, though.
That kid who tackled Talor Battle.
by Eric Gibson on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Because he is a true penn stater
and now hates the MSM like the rest of us!
I am taking on the Lansdale Reporter
They will feel my wrath.
Nice to see you Mike
and good points.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 30, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Athletic vs Academic Scholarships
I think most academic scholarships require something from each party, i.e., the student has a performance metric, like maintain a B+ average or something. If your grades fall below that, you lose your scholarship. This obviously requires effort, but effort alone isn’t enough if there’s no performance.
With athletic scholarships, there’s no metric about having at least 300 rushing yards a season or anything…but still, I think the year-to-year nature of athletic scholarships allows coaches the freedom to basically cut scholarship players if they’re never going to start due to lack of talent, lack of effort, locker room disruptions, etc.
I’m proud that PSU fans don’t start at the terms of the scholarship and go from there. We start with the ideas of family, commitment, effort, loyalty, integrity and go from there. Nevertheless, I think when you have a new coach coming in and his job depends on winning, he can make the call to not renew a scholarship if the player is unable to perform at a high level in a new system. I’d prefer that the school use every connection possible to set the kid up with either an academic scholarship to continue at PSU or with another school that will offer an athletic scholarship. However, I don’t think an athletic scholarship is a 4 year obligation of the school to someone even if that person isn’t even on the team’s roster any more than I would have expected to maintain an academic scholarship even if I wasn’t attending class (even if I had put in a legitimate effort, but ultimately got an F).
He has all of his eligibility, right?
Better than what Calipari did at Kentucky and flush everyone. It was hard for kids with only a year or two left of eligibility to transfer.
The Patriot League doesn’t offer scholarships. At least they don’t in football, I know that.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 30, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions
I'm pretty sure the entire Patriot League has B-Ball scholarships now
Except maybe Holy Cross. I know they were the last hold out, I don’t know if they ever caved.
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I don't like the situation
I don’t have enough information to judge Chamber’s decision one way or the other here, but I voted No in the poll because I don’t like the fact that this situation is one that can even occur under the NCAA rules.
I’ve always been a proponent of the 4 year scholarship, because I feel it better protects the player’s interest, especially in situations like this. But seeing how that proposal has stalled in NCAA rule making land, I wonder if some sort of amnesty rule based on coaching changes wouldn’t be a better fit. Essentially something like, if a new coach comes in he and a player can agree to a mutual release before June 1 following the coaches first season, and the player can transfer within D-I without having to sit out a year, with a limit of 2 or 3 players who can be amnestied so as to not allow the coach to completely dump the roster. In this case it might not make a difference since it seems Pete loves Penn State and wants to stay no matter what, but I think it could make a difference elsewhere.
The way I see it, anything that gives the players a stronger position in the whole system would be a positive.
I am a Penn State Nittany Lion, and I played for the legendary Joe Paterno, and more importantly, I am a man because of it. - Lavar Arrington
I voted "Yes"
mainly because I don’t think we have the whole story and I don’t see Chambers as a sleazy guy.
Is it that Alexis wasn’t putting forth the effort, or is he simply not a big10 caliber player?
I remember a few years ago when PSU picked up that Logan El character and he was so highly recruited but hadn’t seen playing time. When asked about it, JoePa basically said something like “he has to decided if he wants to a Big10 football player”. Sometime later, Logan El transfered to a DII or DIII school and that’s all we ever heard from him. So in a way, I think Joe had his own “carefrontation” with him.
On just the question alone
In light of everything in the past week and carrying forward the Penn State JoePa built removing someone from scholarship because of athletic performance, doesn’t seem like a very JoePa thing to do.
Not judging this situation specifically because as has been mentioned we don’t know all the details yet. But in general I view this as not unlike a player that gets hurt and would be unable to play. Is it fair to remove him from his scholarship. I would say no.
This is just one player. If they start dropping like flies we may have an issue.
I’m not gonna kill Chambers for this especially since we only have part of the story.
Hopefully Jeter is the real deal if PSU lands him.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
As alluded to above, the football program did this stuff constantly.
The difference being that it was toward the end of their four-years, not after one year like Alexis’ situation. Joe Paterno telling a few upperclassmen with remaining eligibility that it might be time to get on with their lives was an annual tradition to free up two or three extra scholarship offers.
And like others have said, there are only so many basketball scholarships available. The alloted scholarships are six or seven times less than the football team.
I would add that the upperclassmen, with
remaining eligibility that were asked to move on, were upperclassmen that had earned their degree.
"If there’s a villain in this tragedy. It lies in that investigation, not in Joe Paterno’s response to it," ~ Phil Knight
by rahpsu92 on Jan 30, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The upper class thing doesn't bother me.
A freshman has barely been able to prove himself.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Yeah, I'm coming around on this.
We’ll see what Chambers has to say this afternoon. I’d be interested to know how “mutual” of a decision this was.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 30, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Putting aside the "how", I tend to agree with the "why".
With all due respect to Peter, who I do not doubt is a very nice young man, his skills during his senior year of high school were definitely below “refined.” He seemed to be a fellow who still was trying to grow into his body. So, if he has not improved since then, I can fully understand Chambers actions.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
As far as people saying Alexis "might not fit Chambers' system"
If Chambers is worth his salt as a coach, and Alexis is a good ball player, then he could have found a way to make Alexis fit, even if it was in a bench role.
Need moar details about this situation, plz. Waiting to decide how I feel about it until then. But this doesn’t seem sleazy or underhanded at the moment. Seems like everyone was up front with everyone, which in real life is something that is never a guarantee.
I think its less that..
and more that he might not be a big time player for this conference.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 30, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
These things...
happen. If the kid is leaving on good terms then the coaching staff usually finds him another school to play at. So long as PSU doesn’t pull a St. Joe’s, then it should be fine.
"Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last"
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 30, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions
I don't tune in to the hoopie discussions that often
But I dug how you organized and presented all this. Pretty fair coverage of all sides of the issue, to my virgin eye.
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"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
virgin eye my ass, you don't have a virgin body part.
but I agree I like the presentation too.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
While I understand that we have to honor our commitments,
It would suck if Chambers’ job were jeopardized because of DeChellis’ players.

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