The healing process and the kids
I feel that in recent days the Penn State community has begun to reunite and heal. I personally have gotten past the stage of defending individuals or trying to make sense of what happened. At this stage I want to see the truth (or something as close to the truth as the legal system can give) come out and those that deserve punishment get punishment. I have come to peace with this. There are still times when I'll get upset about somebody's comments, but for the most part I am looking forward. However, this makes me feel a little guilty. I know that the kids (the true victims in this) may never fully recover from this. It may take years for them to come to peace with this. It's really sad to think that so many kids could be harmed by prominent member(s) of the Penn State community. So, my question is what can we do to help?
So, what are people's thoughts on this. Do you think we should do more? What should we do. My thought was that we should encourage people to wear blue each year to the Blue-White game. Admission could still be free, but recommend a $5 donation to a worthy charity that works in this area. Each year you see teams wearing pink for breast cancer awareness and basketball coaches wearing sneakers for cancer research. These are both worthy causes. Can't we also support another worthy cause by picking a regular game or the Blue-White game to have all fans wear blue?
I can see some arguments for why not to do this. I certainly don't think that we should allow this scandal to define us. At the same time, I think this scandal presents us with an opportunity to do a lot of good. I'm curious to see what others think. Thanks for any input. (I am going to write a letter to the school president and AD suggesting this, but thought I'd see if others had better ideas before writing it.)
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I still haven't gotten past the stupidity of some people.
I almost punched my brother in law square in the face this weekend. He’s a lifelong Pitt fan, so he’s loved this. But what gets me is the fact that he’s taken the stupid drivel of the Pgh media as gospel and verse. (Didn’t help that I had just watched the memorial on Thursday and had 5 Southern Tiers 2x IPAs in me.)
Well I know
that the Proud PSU for RAINN campaign has raised almost $530k since November.
www.rainn.org/proudpsuforrainn.com
I originally was thinking that the students should organize a “Blue Out” each year and do some type of donation drive for it…but after doing a little bit of research—April is Child Abuse Awareness Month—so maybe it would be a better idea to do this for the Blue/White game. The only issue with that is that April is still pretty close to THON.
As for the stupidity of people—I am making an effort to just ignore it—and remind myself of my new favorite JoePa quote: “Don’t get into a pissing contest with a skunk”!
by Jeannine Pinaula on Jan 30, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions
I like the idea of the Blue out for the Blue/White Game
Since we have Whiteouts for big games inteh fall, I think this would add somthing to that tradition. Having a Blue Out for the Blue/White game and having students or volunteers can and get some change and money for RAINN, could be a great start. Remember THON started real small, not look at its impact. Penn State community has always supported these things in the past, and don’t see any reason we can’t do it here. Don’t ask for a specific sum, just a general, if you can help, please do. Even a quarter, I am sure will be greatly appreciated by RAINN, since people will remember them and be helping at the same time.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
think of the VT zone
after the shooting at virginia tech. All of those shirts had proceeds go to charities to help those victims.
No doubt that it would be a success this year. I wonder if it would have a lasting impact.
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Jan 30, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I don't want to have a Blue-Out to raise awareness for child abuse become a tradition at the Blue/White Game.
That probably sounds insensitive, but the last thing that I want to think about while I’m relaxing, tailgating and enjoying everything that is great about that weekend is child sexual abuse. It would damper the mood and would make everything incredibly depressing and uncomfortable, the entire dynamic of the University has been altered in the past three months and to have this become a ‘tradition’ would only keep that black cloud above our heads. We come to these events to get away from the horrors of the real world, if only for a couple of hours, and to have the most heinous example of those horrors hammered down our throats on what is supposed to be an escape for us is a terrible idea that would really only attempt to satisfy those who have already made their minds up about us.
Let us continue our work with RAINN, which has unfortunately tapered off significantly since November, and allow us to move away from this and continue being the amazing alums that we have been since 1855.
We have all of these incredible traditions, but I don’t think that dedicating the Spring Game to child abuse awareness should be one of them.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Jan 31, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't agree with that
Kids dying of cancer is really, really, really, really, depressing and yet there’s nothing depressing at all about THON.
I don’t think a bit of fundraising/awareness raising at the B&W game would ruin it. It’s all about how you market it. Yeah, if every time out features a horrifying commercial of kids screaming and what not, that would be awful. But it’s possible to keep it positive.
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 1, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
But nobody is blaming PSU for kids dying of cancer.
That’s what makes it so positive. THON is a huge undertaking done out of sheerly charitable motives to help kids with cancer and their families. Anything done to support child rape is going to carry the perception of guilt. While I truly don’t care about public perception, if the goal of a Blue Out is to raise public awareness, it is going to rejnforce public perception of guilt.
I’m in support of a plan that will accomplish results in addition to raising public awareness, If the B&W game can be used to get those results, then lets do it. But if we’re looking to use it merely to make a statement that we care about the victims, it’s a statement that doesn’t need to be made. Look at the results THON achieves without the popularity it deserves. We can support victims of child abuse and raise awareness without pandering to a national audience.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 1, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
one of the biggest problems at Penn State that people point out in this whole scandal
is that we care more about our football than we do about child abuse, hence we just tried to bury the whole story. Not fundraising specifically so we can have diversions and enjoy football is sorta strengthening that point
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 1, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Students have gotten together and created an organization called One Heart
meant to fight against child sexual abuse, in the hopes of learning from a tragedy and positively changing the Happy Valley community. Our first big event looks like it’s coming in April. If anyone is particularly interested, hit me up, I can go a bit more in-depth for you.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
by dwf5095 on Jan 30, 2012 7:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Please do go into some detail
I think it is something that everyone should know about since it is a fight definetly worth fighting.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
Storytime?
Once upon a November I was walking to go visit my MommaDiva Row73Fan in her office when I saw some people canning in front of the HUB for ChildHelp.org. I stopped to talk to them and on impulse asked if I could join their canning. They told me to grab a sign. We were approached by a guy who said that he and two friends were starting an org and he asked if we were interested. One Heart (“May no act of ours bring shame to one heart that loves thy name”) is what happened next. We’ve been an official Penn State organization for a week now but have been talking and planning since the week after the Nebraska game.
One Heart has two official goals. The first is to have fundraising and awareness events where the larger Penn State student body can get involved in the fight against child abuse. The second is to help educate our Penn State/Happy Valley/Pennsylvania communities and encourage communication between adults on the problem and how to confront it. April is Child Abuse Awareness month, and we’re in the process of pairing up with Penn State Finance to plan a larger event on campus. I think you’re idea of a blue out during the blue-white weekend is great, and I’m going to shout it out to my fellow One Heart boardmembers ASAP. You can follow us on twitter (@OneHeartPSU) or like us on Facebook (One Heart: Penn State Students against the Sexual Abuse of Children).
The Sandusky scandal is something that every Penn Stater has had to deal with, so we really want every Penn Stater— students and alumni— to get the chance to be a part of this. If you guys have any ideas/thoughts/etc., please let me know. We’re a baby org with big dreams and alumni support in any form would mean the world to us.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
by dwf5095 on Jan 30, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Thanks
This is really good information and I think it’s a great cause. I’m really disconnected from campus (graduated in 07 and now live on the west coast), so thanks for letting me know about this. I’m planning on writing a letter, as I said, and will post on here to encourage others to do this as well if they want to.
Yes.
This is exactly what we need now.
Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®
by leeharvey418 on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Great job!
Once you get a few more details you should make a FanPost to help spread the word a little more
Anything you need
BabyDiva, just let me know!
Love,
MommaDiva
Divas don't burn. We’ll walk away from the explosion calmly and without looking back, like the badass character in a movie
hi, nice to see you posting again.
and please make a post here so that other, non students could possibly become involved.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
Darkness to Light is a national non-profit organization committed to ending child sexual abuse. They have published a 7 step guide to protecting our children. http://www.d2l.org/site/c.4dICIJOkGcISE/b.6143703/k.15DC/7_Steps_to_Protecting_Our_Children.htm
If you do nothing else today, at least read it – it’s only 16 pages. This guide is not a substitute for the advice of professionals. It is only to give you simple, proactive steps to help protect children. A few key parts below:
· Step 5 is to make a plan. First, and perhaps most important in the plan, is how to react. Don’t overreact. Your response to a child trying to tell you about abuse has a powerful influence on their subsequent behavior. They might shut down, change their story, or feel even guiltier. They may even change the account based on your questions, which may give the appearance of having been "coached" and this will be harmful if the case goes to Court.
If you think that this won’t ever touch you or your local community in some way, then Awareness has not been raised enough.
7 step guide to protecting our children http://www.d2l.org/site/c.4dICIJOkGcISE/b.6143703/k.15DC/7_Steps_to_Protecting_Our_Children.htm
Darkness to Light http://www.d2l.org/site/c.4dICIJOkGcISE/b.6035035/k.8258/Prevent_Child_Sexual_Abuse.htm
See 1in6 for more info on stats http://1in6.org/get-information/the-1-in-6-statistic/
RAINN http://www.rainn.org/
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PublicHomeServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US
A Behavioral Analysis http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/ResourceServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=469
For those in Pennsylvania, use Child Line and Abuse Registry as a resource. http://www.dpw.state.pa.us/provider/childwelfareservices/childlineandabuseregistry/index.htm Here’s a number you can call 1-800-932-0313.
by NoName on Jan 31, 2012 6:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions
What can we learn from history
I read an article in mid November. It compared Joe Paterno’s situation to the Greek tragedies. I though it was an insightful read. However, there was a shocker at the end of the article. The author stated that an analogy with ancient Greeks might not be the best one to make – it was common and accepted for powerful men to keep young boys.
Later, I got more interested in understanding the history of child abuse. I found this
http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html
by NoName on Jan 31, 2012 6:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Let's stop making child abuse a football problem.
I don’t mean to sound insensitive, but I really don’t want to see Penn State football connected to child abuse in any way. While I think that suggestions such as the Blue Out are very creative, it’s still affiliating it exclusively with football. Instead of using events as a way of broadcasting the message to the world, I think spreading the message internally first would be a far more effective measure. Have a Blue Day on campus during the first week of April where every student and faculty member is encouraged to wear blue to show their support for victims, not just fans of football. Sell blue flowers with proceeds going towards charities that support these causes. Try to unify this cause with other causes that are just as important, such as sexual abuse overall, not just children, and domestic violence and hate crimes. It’s great to use it as a cause, but use that cause to have an impact other than simply making a statement.
Part of my motivations are selfish, because I’m tired of feeling guilty for being a Penn State football fan and I don’t want to be reminded of this whole ordeal repeatedly. The Blue & White game is already going to be a difficult time where we will again be reminded of our wounds and losses. I feel if I were to participate, it would be somewhat disingenuous because I wouldn’t be doing it for the victims, I’d be doing it to show that we don’t support child rape, and I’m tired of acts such as this for the sake of appearances.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 31, 2012 2:48 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
you're not alone in that sentiment
and I don’t think it’s being insensitive
I’m a contributor to RAINN, and am now more aware and more active in child abuse awareness, I don’t need to be reminded every fall. It’s not 9/11 we’re talking about.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Good input
I agree that it doesn’t have to be just a football thing. I was just thinking football, since it’s the easiest thing to get organized at Penn State. (More unity for football than anything, other than maybe THON.)
I like the idea of a blue day on campus. In a lot of ways it’s more appropriate than a blue out at the Blue-White game. I certainly don’t think that it would have to be football related, but if it were football related it would be the most visible (therefore, maybe have the most impact, maybe not).
I see things a little differently than some of you. I don’t feel guilty for what happened. I had nothing to do with it. I feel guilty that I’ve gotten over this and know that the victims may never get over this. I just feel that we are in a position to help them, certainly not directly, but if we can show some solidarity for supporting victims of abuse like this it can only help them. We don’t need to repent. We did nothing wrong. Those that have done wrong will probably be punished in courts.
I don’t view it as a reminder of what happened. It’d be a way to raise awareness and money. Sure, it would bring back bad memories, but it wouldn’t be about what’s happened in the past. It’d be about showing support for the victims and trying to stop something like this from happening again.
by psfann on Jan 31, 2012 4:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The guilt isn't about what happened, it's about being associated with Penn State.
The most startling thing about the Sandusky situation was people’s reactions. Part of those reactions were to associate anything Penn State with child rape enablement. As a result of that, anytime my Penn State affiliations were brought up (which wasn’t rare considering I wore Paterno and Penn State apparel at every opportunity), I was somewhat involuntarily burdened with the Sandusky scandal.
I agree with you that I don’t feel guilty for what happened, and I also had nothing to do with it. Unfortunately and surprisingly, a large amount of people aren’t able to make that distinction. That’s why I’m more supportive of events that don’t focus solely or rely on the popularity of the football team in order to send the message. It’s certainly not a personal guilt that we’ve been burdened with, but the guilt placed on us by public perception. Events focused on making statements to the public, who are the people placing that guilt on us, only serve to reinforce that they are directing the blame correctly.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 1, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
That last sentence is pretty great?
Mind if I use your very nicely phrased setiments when discussing future events with my exec. board?
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Quote away.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 1, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, posting on my phone really doesn't work for me, does it?
I’ll make sure to ask the people I’m working with to allow people to enjoy football without the weight of the past year hanging over them.
I feel like football is big realty for all sorts of causes just because of its popularity. It isn’t so much about trying to associate Penn State football with a certain cause/event as it is trying to get your message out to an audience of over 100,000. Still, it’s a different situation with this cause in particular, and I’d hate gratifying anyone who thinks every Penn Stater needs to atone for the mistakes of a vast minority.
Personally, working on a club fighting child abuse isn’t about guilt so much as it is trying to make Penn State a bit better. I don’t care what anyone has to say about it except the people it’s meant to benefit.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
by dwf5095 on Feb 1, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Great attitude!
Please post ways to support.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 1, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
We're working on getting organized
and a series of April events are in the works. I’ll keep everyone updated and recommend not infiltrating the Blue and White game with some showy act out of respect for the fans who are just trying to enjoy themselves after a very shitty year.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
by dwf5095 on Feb 1, 2012 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Like the attitude
People are going to say what they are going to say. At this point I don’t really care what ESPN or any other media outlet thinks. It’s not about appeasing them but making a difference. Let us know what can be done to support.
That last sentence is pretty great.
Mind if I quote this to my friends?
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
oh, big fat reply fail.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
It's not about football, but it did happen here
And if something this awful can happen in State College, let alone in the football building at Penn State, then it can happen anywhere. In fact, it does, in towns large and small. That’s why I’m not too worked up about the media calling it the Penn State scandal. It’s not fair, but I chose to see it as an opportunity. Even if it’s not all of our faults, it reminds us that it’s all of our responsibility to fight. Like Lavar said “This is a call to action!”
Ironically, that’s what so many of the hysterical critics can’t accept. They want us to think that this was somehow the product of “big time college football run amok” and therefore doesn’t apply to people they know where they live.
That’s horseshit (big time college football is insane, but that’s another issue). This could have happened almost anywhere, famous or obscure. It’s the banality of evil and all of that.
Jerry Sandusky, if he is guilty, along with every other child molester or rapist are not “monsters” as the press would have you believe. They are human beings. I don’t say that to make them sympathetic. I say that because it’s a difficult reality we need to come to grips with. They are human beings that have some very important wires crossed in their heads (that’s the best analogy I’ve heard from psychiatrists). They are rare, but they don’t come from a particular class or race. They could be in any neighborhood in any job.
I hope some of the money raised goes to research on that – preventing it, spotting it early, and maybe curing it.
But while it is scary to think that Jerry Sandusky was “one of us,” -a Penn Stater and a beloved citizen of State College we should not forget that each of the victims weren’t “one of us” too. I don’t know where they came from, but based on the circumstances, its safe to assume they were young Penn State fans and liked State College. To me, that makes them as much “our kids” as the kids born and raised here. Not that I don’t care about all kids all-over the world, but I think that these kids were here should drive it home more for us, even if we don’t know their names.
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 1, 2012 7:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs

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