Depth Charting the 2012 Offense - Quarterbacks
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 4, 2012 7:01 AM EST
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Hey, you guys remember 2011? Yea, me neither. So let's take a look at the 2012 team from a player-personnel standpoint. We still (!) have no idea who will be coaching these players, but after waving goodbye to some important cogs this spring, those who remain must find a way to put a miserable year in their rear view mirror and concentrate on the future.
The Quarterbacks
| QB | CLASS |
|---|---|
| Matt McGloin | RS SR |
| Rob Bolden | JR |
| Paul Jones | RS SO |
| Skyler Mornhinweg | FR |
In a sentence I never thought I'd ever write, Matt McGloin is the odds-on favorite to start 2012. Provided he doesn't have Crosby-like concussion symptoms, he'll be the man to beat as a redshirt senior and the most successful quarterback on staff, an honor just slightly above being named World's Tallest Midget.
McGloin went 125-for-231 this season, with eight touchdowns and five interceptions in 13 games (five as starter). He technically attempted 24 rushes and netted -20 yards, which is as indicative of his running ability as it is of Penn State's pass blocking. Finally, and in a slightly ironic twist, McGloin was on the receiving end of a Curtis Drake heave against Nebraska. It wouldn't be the last time Drake connected with McGloin.
Behind McGloin, it's anyone's guess, as there will hopefully be three quarterbacks that will each be battling different obstacles in their attempt to knock McGloin from his perch. There is also a concern that none of them will ever see a snap in a Penn State football game, but we're remaining optimistic. For now.
Junior Rob Bolden was the heir apparent at the start of 2010, but has regressed to the point where fans were calling for Shane McGregor in the bowl game and the coaches were calling for three straight Bill Belton wildcat plays in the second half. He finished 2011 a miserable 53-for-135, throwing just two touchdowns to counter his seven interceptions. He managed to have a positive net rushing yardage, and was agonizingly crisp on a number of passes (consistency!), but has been mediocre-to-bad in two seasons.
And it's not necessarily that Rob is a bad quarterback; it's been said here and other places, Rob Bolden needs to be broken down to basics and actually coached up to his potential. He came to Penn State with a strong arm, great mechanics, and the potential to be great. With a new coaching staff including a QB coach not named Jay Paterno, and the sky could be the limit.
There are questions (again) about Bolden's future with this team, but at this point and with his collegiate resume, I'm not sure there are many suitors. He has said he'll be back in 2012, but we've played that game before, and last time it ended ugly.
Redshirt sophomore Paul Jones has had issues with his academics for seemingly his entire time at Penn State, and his absence in Dallas spoke volumes as to his current state of affairs with the team. He remains supportive of his team off the field, but until he can get his grades in order, he might be a five-year cheerleader and scout team QB.
Like Bolden, Jones came into Happy Valley with high expectations, a five-star pro-style QB from Pittsburgh. Unlike Bolden, though, Jones hasn't seen action in two years, so it's tough to gauge how he might fare in real time competition.
Finally, Skyler Mornhinweg already has a busload of supporters, not unusual for an incoming freshman on a team that is struggling. Unless he comes in and wows the coaches, the smart money should be on a redshirt year for Mornhinweg. Would Bolden have benefited from a redshirt year? It's hard to say, given what we saw in 2011. But it certainly can't hurt for a player to come in and learn the playbook, get into a collegiate weight program, etc.
Once again we head into an offseason with a quarterback controversy on our hands, but at the moment, it's only the third most talked about Penn State topic, so maybe it'll stay under the radar this year. Keep an eye on spring practice to see if anyone stands out (they won't) or if the new coaching staff continues to use Joe-speak (hopefully they won't).
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Serious Question:
What style of QB is/was Bolden?
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Out of high school
he was called a dual-threat QB (No. 2 in the country according to Rivals.com). He has a quote on Scout.com prior to entering college where he says “If the play breaks down, I can get out of it…” So there’s that.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 4, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you!
So, would he excel in a Michigan/Denard Robinson-style role? Granted, DR is a freak of nature, but if Bolden was given the freedom to play the style of QB he and the scouts claim he was coming out of high school, would he be more successful today?
"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"
by LowcountryLion on Jan 4, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
The few times I remember seeing Bolden run
it wasn’t much more impressive than his throwing.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
He just looks stiff
Like even in his runs, there just is not fluidity.
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His best series of the year
Was the last drive of the Alabama game. He looked pretty solid on his legs when he was scrambling. He’s no option quarterback, but if was given the freedom to scramble or at the very least roll out of the pocket some more I think he’d be more comfortable and might have some more success.
Maybe they gave him the chance in practice and he does that as well as he throws the screen. I don’t know.
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JMO, but not a chance.
He may have been considered elusive at a high school level, but he’s really not a guy you’d run an option game with. I think he can eventually get up to a decent speed, which might account for his low (fake?) 40 time. He’s not quick, though. Put another way, he’s no Zack Mills.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
The full quote reads:
“If the play breaks down, I can get out of it, by launching the ball 600 MPH into the stands.”
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Jan 4, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Paul Jones...
please get your act together. What do you need help with? History? Psychology? Sociology? I can tutor you in them all just let me know. I’ll do it for free.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Jan 4, 2012 7:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ham Samich
Ham Samich is the man, the other options have a putrid stank to them
...if the new coaching staff continues to use Joe-speak (hopefully they won't).
You assume that we will have a coaching staff by spring. The next time I need knee surgury I think I’ll look for an AD. Per the BoT, anybody can do the job.
by bluebellgolfer on Jan 4, 2012 8:02 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I would have voted Ham sandwich...
…if it was a ham sandwich from the booth under the grandstand at the York Fair. Delicious.
Don't forget...
That’s the Great York Interstate Fair! (I’m from Red Lion.)
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by LowcountryLion on Jan 4, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
I remember the food at the fair being better when I was younger
but isn’t that how it always goes?
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
McGloin
Ham Sandwich cannot be both head coach and QB
by speedotito on Jan 4, 2012 8:41 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Are we sure McGloin is coming back?
I heard he is in line to graduate this year and with everything surrounding the program, it wouldn’t be unthinkable for him to simply walk away.
I have quite a few connections in Scranton
including friends who teach at West Scranton HS. His ego is bigger than you can imagine.
I am from the area....
Yes to this.
Although he is a somewhat nice guy and doesnt get tired of answering questions… his ego is… well… bigger than his ceiling.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
It's moxie.
His moxie is huge.
But he needs to temper it. I like the edge, but after his career at Penn State is done, his career is done. And the only thing to look forward after that is for him and McNamara to discuss the “good old days” at Whistles.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
McNamara is assistant coach at Syracuse now
he will be too busy winning hundreds of national championships to go to whistle’s… which is now shut down I believe cause the owner refused to prevent his patrons from smoking…
Only in Scranton!
No way he leaves
As has been said before, his best trait is his worst trait, his utter and supreme confidence in himself. He’ll dream from now until next year about being the QB to lead PSU back to glory with a new coach. And I don’t blame him for that at all.
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"He’ll dream from now until next year about being the QB to lead PSU back to glory with a new coach."
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
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“He’ll dream from now until next year about being the QB to lead PSU back to glory with a new coach.”
Until Les Miles bring Gunner Kiel with him. Amirite?
/trollgaze
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I'd be ok with that
trollololol
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No way he leaves
He went to PSU to walk on as QB even though he could have played college ball at a lower level. The kid loves PSU and is living his dream by playing quarterback for them. If I were in his position, I’d stay even if I knew I may end up staying on the practice team. He has no chance at the NFL, and therefore only a few more chances to run out of a tunnel in his life.
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by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Bolden has been so bad.
So bad that I can’t imagine any of the options being worse. We don’t know about PJ, but can he really be worse than misfiring a 3 yard out by 10 yards. Or can he be worse than the inexplicable inability to complete a screen pass? Can he be worse than a stat line that makes Tebow’s numbers seem Rodgers-like? Because of this, I remain hopeful that PJ has potential.
Mornhinweg should redshirt. Bolden should redshirt (or cough transfer cough).
McGloin will probably be the guy, sigh. I’m not convinced he can take any steps further because I think he’s maxed out. The guy’s arm strength is so bad. He fell down on that 40 yard TD pass to Devon Smith against NW. And that magical gift he has of throwing into triple coverage is awesome.
2012 will be another frustrating year for the signal callers.
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I think depth alone
means Morhinweg wont be able to redshirt. Particularly if PJ cant play due to grades.
By the way, Curtis Drake’s pass to McGloin was one of the 3 nicest we had all year. Why not move him to QB? Can he be worse than McGloin, or the field? At least hes an athlete.
Not a bad point on Drake to be honest.
If you have no legitimate QB’s on the roster, why not go for the spread the field option attack.
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It's one thing to complete a pass
where both you and the receiver are wide open because of a trick play. It’s a whole ’nother ball of wax to get under center, recognize a blitz, and throw to the hot route.
True, but...
the current quarterbacks don’t do much better at hot routes and defense recognition.
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I think this is going to have to be determined by the coach we bring in.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
Honestly
I’ll be more surprised if Drake is still there than any underclass player save Kersey.
Fire Dan Snyder
Hmmm, maybe Rivals was just wrong about Bolden
I remember my sons and I asking each other “why is Penn State recruiting this kid?” after watching him in the state championship game. While he ran the ball well, he completed less than half his passes and actually tripped over his own feet and fumbled the ball back to East Grand Rapids late in the game which basically lost it for Orchard Lake. I’m sure he looked like a superstar at all those ridiculous 7 on 7 things and I know Jay Paterno has been crucified by many on this site for Bolden’s poor play but could it be that he’s just not that good and never will be?
Any chance we're wrong about Jay?
This may get me killed, but we’ve all bashed Jay Paterno for being unable to develop a quarterback for years. Is it possible he just hasn’t had good quarterbacks to develop? I know part of that is on him for not going out and getting them, but still:
Matt Senneca was never a good QB.
Zach Mills was on his way to being a good QB before he got hurt in that 2003 Wisconsin game and was never the same.
Anthony Morelli never learned the playbook and thought diving for a first down when he was 6 yards short was a good idea.
Rob Bolden appears to have been overhyped.
Matt McGloin was never supposed to be any good.
Paul Jones can’t get out of the classroom.
The only two solid QBs he’s really had have been Robinson and Clark, and they both played a specific style that worked. I’m not necessarily saying Jay is the greatest QB coach in the world, but maybe he’s not entirely the problem.
Don't forget
He developed Pat Devlin. I’d say Pat Devlin did alright, even though it wasn’t at PSU
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by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
What makes you think he developed Devlin? Sure, he spent some time at PSU but he never demonstrated his development at PSU. It could have just as easy been the coaching at Deleware. After all, Flacco went through Deleware before Devlin and he did alright for himself.
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He did look good when he came in relief though...
I think if he stuck around, he should have started over DC, and I really like DC, but this kid would have been good….
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Because Devlin transferred there for 1 year
Sure, the Deleware coach could have taught Devlin everything he knew in 1 spring and Summer, but I’d say thats highly unlikely. Also, in his few appearances at PSU, he played quite well. Well enough that there was a massive debate about starting him over the B1G player of the year DC17
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by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely would have started him over DC.
Let’s also remember that Devlin did take his team to the national championship in a tournament, which is how its supposed to be (but I won’t get into all that here).
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
He played two years at Deleware.
And I don’t disagree with the fact that Jay influenced him some, but to call Devlin a Jay product is a little far-fetched.
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I wasn't aware he had two years at Delaware
Still, he looked good enough when he got his chances at PSU that a large portion of the fanbase was calling for him to start over Clark.
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by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Oh
And Newsome was a hell of an athlete that wasn’t suited to be a pro-style quarterback.
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by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
It's possible I suppose.
But when was the last PSU quarterback to do ANYTHING against a defense with a pulse? DC17 carved up bad defenses and fell apart against the better ones. MRob was the same way, but he was much more of a running threat.
It comes to a point where there has to have been a QB on the roster at some point or another that had the ability to learn if he was taught. I refuse to believe that Jay knows enough about the QB position to be an effective coach.
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Matt McGloin
first half last year against OSU, at OSU….he’s was eating them alive.
But then OSU adjusted defensively...
And PSU’s offense failed to adjust…
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Gunslinger.
How’d the second half turn out? He doesn’t have the ability to adjust because he just doesn’t know how to read a defense. He drops back and slings it. If that receiver ain’t open, pick six.
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QB#14
I seem to remember a few years ago when QB#14(I dare not speak his name) was locked in a tight game with a highly ranked Ohio State team and threw a couple nice TD passes to seal the victory. Oh wait those were INT’s returned for TD’s …….. But it did seal the victory for Ohio State. At least i was half right
to be fair
the number of quarterbacks who can “carve up” good defenses is relatively small. Keenum was definitely one. I wouldn’t put Russell up there, because their running game was so good and he had such pocket protection. Keenum didn’t truly have either and still looked amazing.
Fire Dan Snyder
True, but...
There is a difference between carving up and having a pulse.
Against better competition, I can’t remember the last PSU quarterback to have a good (not great) game.
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Well, they went more into a prevent and into a bend don't break mode.
All I’m saying is that allowed DC to accumulate some better stats, that is all. It’s a bit deceiving, since PSU was already getting blown out and the game was not in doubt.
no they didn't
revisionist history. The USC defense had an incredible second half record that season and they did not want to give up point. DC’s first half stats were not that bad , 7-13 for 109, plus ran for a TD. 2nd half stats 14-23 for 164 2 Td 2int
I just read.
No revisionist history I swear...
I was at the game BMAN, they were down 31-7 or something like that by the fourth quarter. I’m not saying his stats were bad, I’m just saying they were a little deceiving. His pass yards in the second half were the product of the prevent defense. Remember Carrol is a product of the NFL, where they run the prevent all the time. PSU scored all its other points, besides the DC rush touchdown, in the 4th quarter, when the game was over.
The only stats that really matter...
are W’s and L’s. I’ll take John Shaffer all day long if we win every game.
I always said that DC17 was the Donovan McNabb of college quarterbacking
When the pressure wasnt on DC17, he was great. When it came to the big moments where he had to step up… he seemed to shrink away from the opportunity.
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Except in his last game.
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I know he developed Devlin, but...
Again, I just don’t see him as a good QB coach, below average at best. He was rigid, unwilling to change, like most of the PSU coaching staff. He had a few successes, but far to little to be kept around. I agree with Swiggs on this one.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Valid points, but....
I still don’t think he’s that good of a coach. I think he compounded existing problems instead of getting the most out of what he had to work with.
I agree with this line of thought
He doesn’t recruit guys that fit his system. He recruits the most highly touted QBs, regardless of their playing style and then trys to force them to be pro-style attacks in almost all cases. The only times this hasn’t been true have been DC17 and MRob. There was some actual adaptation to their playing abilities.
I’m not saying he needs to recruit guys to fit the system, but he should at least be willing to adapt some.
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by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
And that has always been my complaint about the offense...
That it doesn’t adapt, it never does and the playcalling is predictable..
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
And part of that is because he wasn't a credible QB coach to recruits.
So instead of being able to create a system and recruits guys for that system, PSU had to essentially change its system on a year to year basis.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
This is a fair point.
So why don’t the coaches stick with a system and recruit for it? Again, another reason to just start anew. No wonder these kids have “the deer in the headlights” look when they are under center.
I’m just curious as to the evolution of that reasoning. Once again, was it JoePa’s doing?
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know. I'm sure they would like to have stuck with a system.
But it goes back to a basic lack of identity with the offense since Zack Mills showed he could run the option. It’s been back and forth. Mills, Robinson, Morelli, Clark, Newsome, McGloin, Bolden. Not many common threads in that group of QB’s.
I can’t verify this without a little research, but it feels like they took whatever Best Available QB was left in the process and tried to reverse engineer the offense to fit his talents.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Adjusting the offense to fit the qualities of the players in it is rigid to you?
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But you can't do it every year...
Take the whole scheme one year and just chuck it and do the same thing every year with another scheme? Seems extremely obtuse and backward. Ok, really the opposite of rigid, so I forgive me there.
But no wonder why all these kids look hapless out there.
Schemes are dumb
they get you in situations like Richrod and Michigan.
Obtuse is probably the correct word for it, however I dont think “all these kids” look hapless. Only Bolden does. McGloin just makes the occasional terrible decision and has an ego bigger than his arm. DC looked good enough to win the B1G MVP. Morelli looked hapless when up against tougher opponents, but hapless is his natural state. NFL coaches couldn’t even change that. And he still set several PSU passing records. I dont get where this thought that all of our QB’s can barely hand the ball off because they are so dumbfounded. Its just one sophmore QB who has issues.
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I would never say these kids are "dumb"
Though sometimes Bolden and McGloin make me rethink that, one kid has too much confidence the other one doesn’t have any.
But the coaches and the constant changing around definitely confuses these kids. I mostly agree with your statement schemes are dumb, but all I want is some consistency, and the coaching staff hasn’t been that way with either McGloin, Bolden or a lot of the previous qbs.
While schemes get you in trouble
Coaches like Nick Saban recruit for specific skillsets and size/speed/etc. I’ll see if I can find the article that talks about how he recruits, but its very interesting. He gets guys with specific physical tools that work in his offenses and defenses. Its somewhere in between Rich Rod and PSUs quarterbacks. It seems pretty damn effective.
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Right.
And that “fit a player to a scheme” method generates program and identity confusion. No good for business when you’re trying to sell the program.
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Its also easier for him to get exactly what he wants too
considering oversigning.
I like the idea of flexibility in the coaches. Put your best players in the best position to win. Its fine if you want to recruit a certain type of player because you can work with that player best, but as a coach you should be able to adjust your scheme to work with what you’ve got. Otherwise you’ve got nothing.
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Saban can also recruit just about anyone he wants.
So theres that.
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Don't oversimplify
McGloin had an even worse game against Alabama than Bolden just shat out. While McGloin had flashes of competency the remainder of the year, that one performance was still the worst I’ve seen by a PSU QB since at least Senneca.
Yeah
He does have the benefit of competing against 2011 Robert Bolden. Imagine the shitstorm that would have ensued if Bolden didn’t see the field at all.
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by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jay Paterno is not awful, but he's not very good either
A couple of his QBs have panned out. Most haven’t. During his tenure as the QB coach, the strength of the PSU team has rarely been the QB.
He’s not the worst coach in the world, and he definitely embodies the best of what the program should be. I think he’d be a good MAC or D-1AA coach, but he’s punching above his weight class in the B1G.
At best, Jay is a serviceable QB coach, but he’s not an elite assitant by any stretch. Uncle Rico or whoever that dude was that starred at Texas Tech and was the OC/QB coach for Houston was clearly much better than Jay at his current job.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
This is a fair evaluation.
And the one area I think Jay exceled in was media relations.
There's a rational argument in there.
I’ve struggled with it myself. Jay has always been a hate proxy for those who wanted Joe Paterno gone, but also because of PSU’s often anemic passing game.
I mean, picture your perfect offense. What do you want your QB’s to be able to do? Use all of the field. Go through progressions quickly. Don’t make stupid decisions. Be able to change plays and protections at the line of scrimmage. Penn State QB’s don’t really do that stuff.
Part of that was Jay. Much of that was Joe, for not demanding more out of Jay and the QB’s. I’m sure if Jay had his druthers, the QB’s would be permitted to change the play at the line, but Joe practically never allowed that. There was an in-house GoPSUSports.com interview of Derek Moye earlier this year, and he actually laughed when asked if the QB’s were permitted to change the play.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Well I'd hope Moye laughed
If McGloin were allowed to change the play at the line, I’d expect nothing but deep balls. Giggity.
If Bolden were allowed to change the play at the line I’d expect nothing but confusion and poor clock management
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by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, as psuphysicist says, I would not trust either of these guys to change a play at the line.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Right, but that's missing the point.
The QB’s should be coached up to the point of being able to change a simple protection or play. If a defense puts eleven guys on the LOS and a fullback dive is called, PSU is running that fullback dive. That’s moronic.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn't there a massive applause the first time a PSU QB lined up in shotgun?
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn't it Rashard Casey?
circa 2000?
There's another great failure...
I remember that kid was supposed to be awesome, and he blew chunks…
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, he wasn't that bad.
And he was ten times better than anyone on our current roster.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Here are Rashard's stats
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I would love to have had Rashard
play this past Monday.
Well..
He showed the typical “PSU QB regression” pattern once he became the guy (I think he split with THompson in ’99).
“But man would I kill for 53% passing, 14TD/8Int” – said absolutely nobody other than PSU fans
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 4, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
That's basically McGloin's line from this year, isn't it?
But at least Rashard could run when needed. Of course, he didn’t have McGloin’s pass catching skills.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know, perhaps
Tracking QB stats this season was futile considering our relatively “QB Free” offense
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 4, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
McGloin stats...
8 touchdowns, 5 interceptions, 54.1% percentage, 1571 yards.
So Casey had more yards and touchdowns and McGloin had less interceptions and a higher completion percentage.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
In an era when there was less passing.
And when Joe was more reluctant to pass so much. And the offense wasn’t geared as much for passing.
I think Casey would do much better in today’s game. Certainly much better than McGloin (and need I even say Bolden?).
He had a little over 2000 passing yards in 2000, so...
And nearly double the touchdowns. He definitely would have been better on Monday.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, so he was alright...
He was definitely better than McGloin or Bolden, that’s for sure…
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
he also had one of the greatest QB scrambles of all time
his legal troubles seemingly affected him as well.
I've just forgotten many of those years...
like I want to forget this one….
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Is there video of it?
Because I’d love to see it…
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
3:12 of this video
I actually watched the whole thing at work. He was Michael Vick-esque with his feet.
This is awesome.
It’s too bad during his time there, he didn’t have a better team around him.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
oh man you are absolutely correct
i didnt watch the whole thing so I assumed it was the first one. But you are right thats the one i meant
It's just a shame...
…you can’t see Joe during it. I know there was another view of this out there a few years ago where you could see him – he was exasperated by it. Of course he liked the TD, but hated the way he got it.
Watching that entire highlight video made me wish PSU had him at qb this year. In today’s game with his talents…man, it would be fun. DR has nothing on him.
Yeah, you guys are right...
I just saw it myself, he looks about 50 times better than McGloin or Bolden. Of course, those receivers never dropped balls either.
He would have definitely beat Houston on Monday no doubt!
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it's a highlight reel.
You know how they can make almost anyone look all-world. Geez, look what the “Penn State Football Story” does a lot of the time.
Even so, he’s a million times better than what they have now. He was worthy of being a qb at a place like PSU….McGloin and Bolden have no business being one.
It is only his highlights for sure
but i dont think in the two years of McGloin we could come up with 9 minutes of action like that.
Good point!
I miss Tony Stewart.
"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"
by LowcountryLion on Jan 4, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Rashard Casey, 2012
“They finally appreciate me!”
by PSU Mudder on Jan 4, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He had some nice blocking on that run, too
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Great run to watch.
But it’s even better to watch Joe on the sideline during it. His reactions were hilarious.
Rashard fumbled a bit too much
And the commentators would often say he was carrying the ball like “a loaf of bread.” Who carries a loaf of bread with one hand like they might want to throw it?
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 4, 2012 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But you are absolutely correct
there was definitely massive applause in the stadium. If I recall, there were rumors in the week prior to the game about this revolutionary new concept.
I don't think we did any shotgun until Mills in '01.
Because I distinctly remember wondering why we didn’t do it with Casey. He would have flourished in it, IMO.
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
2000. Casey.
Just found it, with this hilarious AP quote:
On its second possession, Penn State used the shotgun formation for what might have been the first time in Joe Paterno’s 35 years as coach. Casey, though, was sacked for a 7-yard loss. He then gained 9 yards rushing on third-and-16, and Penn State didn’t use the shotgun again.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Typical
And that is why a part of me is happy to see these coaches go. Obviously I never wanted it to be under these circumstances.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Which game was this?
I have a vague recollection of this sequence of plays.
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
That was the first win post-Taliaferro injury, wasn't it?
One of my favorite PSU games of all time. So much emotion on the field, especially from the defense as Drew Brees threw all over the field but we kept them from scoring. The last series Purdue had the ball and the last play was a Hail Mary from Brees. Loud, loud stadium during that final drive.
That might be...
the last really good QB, PSU beat.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 4, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
we practiced the shotgun the entire lead up to the 1999 alamo bowl
then took it out of the gameplan two days before kickoff
fuckin ridiculous
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Those 2 lines...
explain so much, yet leave me with a million quesitons.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 4, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
no
and in hindsight maybe they just wanted to get Casey a look in shotgun for the next year….just seemed like a real waste of time and everyone was excited to have it in the gameplan
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
But then they didn't use it the next year anyway, right?
Except briefly in the Purdue game that Chris referenced above…
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
I don't remember much from 2000-2004
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
by hbeach08 on Jan 4, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I remember Jay talking about the wildcat
he said he learned from his dad to add something when distractions are going on. They added the shotgun after Adam’s injury in 2000.
Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.
Not sure, but I was sure glad to see it.
Like I wrote the other day, for too long a PSU qb would drop back in such a way (with the non-throwing shoulder in the rear) that he would have to stop, pivot 180 degrees, and only then would he be able to throw the ball.
That may have been ok back in the day when football was all about running the ball, but once the speed of the game increased there was not time enough to do that routine anymore. PSU was a bit slow to adapt in that regard.
Well
You have to get to the line with more than 3 seconds on the play clock.
Man, I’m in a pessimistic mood today.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I believe that I've heard that they do come to the line with a pass play and a run play.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
I've wondered about the role Joe has played on our offense
I don’t think Jay is great as a QB coach, but I do think he could be a decent o-coordinator. Isn’t he the one who primarily designed the Spread HD for Robinson? Without Joe, maybe he would be more creative.
I really like Jay PA and think he is a good coach.
The problem was the system / Cluster around him created by Joe.
2 OC’s is a joke and so is the play call system.
Big knock on JayPa is he worked for his Dad…One day when our fathers are long gone we will be envious of Jay, he had a chance to spend a ton of time with his father that he probably missed growing up…I envy the guy
May no act.................
I envy him too.
I’d love to have my dad get me a cush-gig coaching football at a D-I school as my “job.” Probably making a ton of loot too. And he got to hang out with the old man everyday.
Just because I envy him, doesn’t make him a good coach though.
At some point you have to stop making excuses and judge a guy on his record
Jay’s been the QBs coach for a while now and in that time he has had 2 good QBs and the rest were mediocre at best. If all the other guys besides MRob and DC17 weren’t very good to begin with, then it still falls a bit on Jay’s shoulders for not recruiting better talent. The record says Jay is, at best, slightly better than mediocre as a QBs coach.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 4, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
No, you were right with your initial actions of bashing Jay...
He can’t coach for sh*t. Seriously, how many effin’ screen passes can you run in one game? How many end-arounds? The guy doesn’t have “it.” Simple as that.
His offenses did okay with mobile QB’s…Mills, Robinson, Clark. When he had to put together a game plan that didn’t include a QB that was really good at improvising or making something of a broken play, the offense was especially bad…notoriously bad…the worst. Even with a “bad” QB, a good coordinator or coach should be able to put together something to at least keep opposing defenses honest. Look at some of the teams that beat us this year. Bama used a base defense almost all game. Wisconsin’s defense was probably the worst defense of any top 10 team. Houston’s defense stacked 8 and 9 guys in the box all game long.
Sorry, but I hope Jay is the first to get the ax once the new coach is hired. Dick Anderson second.
by rodney20 on Jan 4, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd probably be cool with the entire offensive coaching staff
being second…you know, like a package deal axing.
You lost me
When you put okay offenses in the same sentence as Mills. I’m biased, because 04 was my freshman year, but saying that offense was anything above putrid is as generous as it gets
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
It's tough being the only person on your side of the ball who has any remote playmaking ability.
Fire Dan Snyder
MRob was out there too
So was Austin Scott
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
Before he gained 30 pounds over the summer
And showed up to camp out of shape and lost his job to Tony Hunt
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
I wouldn't call Austin "butterfingers" Scott a playmaker
He showed some flashes, but nowhere near ever lived up to his potential.
I concur about MRob though.
Fire Dan Snyder
well, Mills Qb'd a few seasons...
I’m not saying that every one of those seasons was an okay season. But Mills had his moments…‘02 was an okay season. At least for most of the year. By ’04, Mills’ arm was gonzo. He never returned to form after his injury.
#TeamHamSandwich
That’s an interesting point above regarding McGloin graduating. All of these guys have their flaws. We’ve dissected McGloin and Bolden plenty. They’re not guys you can win a conference championship with.
With Jones, many people are hanging their hats on two fade patterns against basic fourth-string defenses as a basis for him to be the starter. That and “well, he can’t be worse than the others”. And maybe that’s true, but we don’t know if the kid is ever going to be academically eligible. He’s had a redshirt year and what was basically a year-long suspension for his grades, and he still couldn’t get the bare minimum to make the bowl trip.
Mornhinweg. The redshirt depends on the guys in front of him, whether they graduate (McGloin), transfer (Bolden), or can’t pass Math For Plants (Jones).
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Sounds about right.
Mornhinweg. The redshirt depends on the guys in front of him, whether they graduate (McGloin), transfer (Bolden), or can’t pass Math For Plants (Jones).
Paints a beautiful picture.
_______________________
I'm telling you...
If Mornhinweg doesn’t decommitt, I have a funny feeling he may be the starting QB next season…
Of course, this is based on absolutely nothing but a gut feeling…
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
thats what id be telling him if i was the new head coach
of course, the new head coach apparently wont be named until the week before the season starts.
The starting QB
will be named before the new head coach. Maybe Joyner is going for the old throwback, player-manager.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
I'm not willing to completely discount MM yet
He’s, slowly but surely, learned to play within himself. He can manage the game, convert on third down, and on occasion lead an effective two-minute drill. He’s shown a good ability to win football games, which is nothing to sneeze at. With the right cast around him and a little luck, he could win the B1G, particularly as putrid as it’s been the past few years.
I don’t like the idea of Morninweg coming in and playing as a true freshman. My guess is that he’s more mature than Bolden, but playing straight away fucked Bolden up to the point that he no longer resembles the player he was touted coming out of high school. McGloin isn’t so bad that they need to go that route.
Jones is the biggest x-factor and it’s really all about hope with him. No one outside of the team has a good idea about his ability, but my guess is that he could reasonably compete with MM for the starting job assuming he can get his grades in order.
If I was the new HC, I’d be inclined to play MM next year unless someone really comes on in camp. MM is the safe play, he might not win you that many games, but if he keeps improving, he won’t lose you many either. In a more creative offense, he might be able to more effectively move the team down the field. A new coach will likely be searching for stability and an 8 win season; MM is the safe play if those are the year-one goals.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Jan 4, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I agree with all of this
Particularly the part about Morninweg. I really hope he redshirts so that he can mature and learn the offense from a safe distance. As JoePa said ’I’d rather start a guy two games too late than a game too early’
Also, start McGloin, keep the expectations low. Then an 8-4 or 9-3 season won’t seem so bad.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Also agree about Morninweg
We have a talented kid who apparently still wants to be here even after IT. Maybe Bolden wasn’t going to be good to begin with, but almost everything after he was named the starter as a freshman was handled poorly. Don’t do that to Morninweg.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Re: Morninhgweg...
…True about the freshman fragility thing but having watched him play for 3 years now at The Prep I really think his makeup is TOTALLY different than Bolden’s was. I just hope he still goes to PSU period. His drop-back, setup, mechanics and release speed are already Big11 level, coach’s son, whole deal. Size and arm strength there as well.
by JoePa'sHornRimmedGlasses on Jan 4, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Good point on being a coach's son.
They’re more advanced/“ready” than most players.
I don't know
That same coach thought it was a good idea to name him Skyler
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things."
I am just talking about my gut feeling...
And I mostly agree with your comments. If I were coach, I would try to develop that short passing attack to aid McGloin. No doubt he is the frontrunner. But I also agree with the comments about Morninwheg not being able to redshirt. I think he may be the most talented out of all these clowns. So I’m just sayin….
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
But thats what everyone said about Bolden two years ago. Remember all his poise? Look how it has turned out so far. He was thrown into the fire before he could handle it and has crumbled under the pressure. He needs a reshirt year. I don’t want to see Morninweg meet a similar fate.
All the talent in the world doesn’t mean anything if you can’t figure out how to use it.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Once again, no argument there...
But again I would argue that Bolden was playing pretty well until the injury in the Minnesota game two years ago. Then you HAD to take him out against Northwestern and keep McGloin as starter. The injury and the way the coaching staff handled him afterwards really hurt Bolden. That is what I’ve maintained all along.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats a valid point
Although him being pulled against jNW had more to do with his inability to recognize a blitz. Although I’m sure he didn’t see it that way.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Well obviously..
..that all goes w/out saying with college prospects. I’m simply betting Mornhingweg pans out based on what I’ve watched.
by JoePa'sHornRimmedGlasses on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
nothing wrong with burning Morninweg's redshirt if you have to
I just don’t think he should be starting unless MM is hurt or, later in the season, he’s proven himself to be the best QB during practice.
Starting a true freshman on opening day says more about the rest of your QBs than it does about the true frosh.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I think it has to be an absolute last resort
And you have to have a run heavy offense with a competent Oline that will take the pressure off of the QB. I’m not excited about next years Oline.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
You're Right...
Mornhingweg is the most talented one right now. Can run as well and has good feel for the rush.
by JoePa'sHornRimmedGlasses on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Please take this with the customary grain of salt...
An acquaintance of mine, is best friends with a scholarship player on the current PSU roster. According to said player, PJ and the scout team receivers shred the 1st team D.
Given the recent McG/Drake altercation, and the visible WR frustration w/ the Bolden passes on Monday, maybe some of that quote is truth and how much is just lack of support for the starting QB’s. I for one will be hoping for PJ’s grades to improve, so we can see for ourselves.
I'm glad to see somebody else noticed the WRs frustration.
I noticed it big time in the bowl game with Bolden. Can’t say I noticed it with McGloin, though.
That Jones gets his act together and lives up to his pre-college hype is really our best hope. Bolden to me is a lost cause. He’s beyond terrible and I don’t think he’s salvageable either. I don’t think all his problems are mental…I think he also is just not that good. McGloin is also awful and only plays because everybody else (eligible) suck even worse. Oh, he’ll beat the NWs of the world and sometimes tease you against the better teams (1st half at OSU 2010), but his limitations are many and eventually get exposed.
If Jones is eligible I say play start him game 1 in the fall. I’ve seen the other two and frankly wouldn’t mind not seeing them again.
Same here. I have heard that Jones tears it up and I expect him to get his grades together and
Shred other teams defenses next year.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
After this team's last two games...
…maybe tearing up the defense in practice isn’t all that great an accomplishment.
dude
it might have changed since the mid-90’s, but The Math For Plants prof was a real ball buster back then. HATED fb players
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
McGloin could be a decent enough QB
in the style of Kevin Thompson or Mike McQueary. Those guys had great rushing attacks to support them (and great o-lines who could get the push on those attacks). His strength is in completing the short pass, so design an offense around that, one where he’s rarely asked to chuck it deep into coverage. (as a contrast, Bolden’s strength is dropping the long bomb into the receiver’s hands, but that’s a low percentage play to begin with)
Of course, that idea presupposes better o-line coaching and ditching the slow-to-develop-pass-route playbook.
Yeah, the poor O-line play year after year is infuriating.
Football is won in the trenches. And we have a decent O-line every 5 years or so. That’s not going to cut it, especially when we seemingly get decent recruits up front.
_______________________
This offensive line got Silas Redd over 1000 yards and it gave up less sacks than Alabama (Who has the Outland Winner) and the same number of sacks as LSU (Who has an All-American or two and is playing for the MNC).
There is nothing “poor” about this offensive line. They may not better than decent, but then they’re still decent.
"The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps."
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Please sweet, tiny, infant baby jesus
Let the new coaching staff speed up the pass routes, and the offense in general. Of all the ways to describe Penn State’s offense the past several years, I think that “plodding” is as appropriate as any other.
Coaches preach that you should practice at game speed. At PSU, we play at practice speed.
by SkellerDweller06 on Jan 4, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Plodding??
I thought it was “Spread HD”!
Obviously (I hope) I’m just messing. I agree completely with what you wrote. I’ve been saying the football product at Penn State is stale. I’m looking forward to a complete change. I’m excited to see what a different set of eyes can do when they look upon what PSU’s roster holds.
Somebody mentioned Drake as the full time qb. While I think he’s just too fragile for the job, especially with his weird leg condition, I can also envision him being a lot like DR at Michigan.
Totally agree with this...
Which is why it always was vexing that the coaching staff never took appropriate steps to help McGloin (or Bolden). It’s clear that a short passing attack would have benefitted PSU this year. This is why I go on about Jay Paterno and Galen Hall here, because they had no imagination and weren’t willing to change things up.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I always wonder, though
How much of it was on Joe not letting people change things up.
A valid point.
And Chris Grovich says that Joe was a main influence above.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
O-Line, O-Line, O-line
They either need to fix it or beam me back to the 1990’s so that I don’t self-immolate.
The only thing I've looked forward to with a new coaching staff
Has been a change in the Oline coaches. It seems that we routinely get great prospects, but very few pan out. Wiz, Shiply, and Levi Brown come to mind.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
The tragedy of the oline
Is that it’s only as good as it’s worst player. A single brilliant pass rusher can create all kinds of havoc for opponents, but a single good blocker among a bunch of stiffs isn’t very useful.
And even our relatively good o-lines in recent years haven’t been able to do much against the best defenses. PSU olines should be able to hold their own against the best d-lines in the BigTen and dominate the Indianas of the world.
That’s the one area where improvement would make the biggest difference for us. We always seem to have decent running backs and I think we should be able to always recruit another Royster/Redd/Hunt-caliber guy. Nothing makes a QB look good look a solid o line. Just think back at how many random forgettable QBs for Michigan State, Illinois, Ohio State, etc, etc, that we made look like Joe Montana in those bad years when we couldn’t get a pass rush going.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 5, 2012 1:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
May be my memory slipping but
I remember Thompson and McQueary completing a lot of long bombs, actually. Didn’t Thompson hit Chafie Fields against Miami? And MM, of course, started bombing even as a 3rd stringer vs. Rutgers, leading to the infamous mid-field confrontation?
This is true, and the analogy isn't perfect
it’s more along the lines of neither guy was a superstar QB, but they had great players around them and were able to fill a role. I think McGloin can do that. But if the line doesn’t open up holes in the running game and receivers don’t get separation, McGloin is not good enough to pull them along, instead he’ll be chucking it away or throwing picks.
They both
had some monster statistical games, by our standards at least, though. Probably because we didn’t pull away from a lot of teams those years, but still.
They weren’t John Shaffers. Both were competent D1-caliber throwers, although Thompson had some bad periods.
Tipping point
That 99 team’s oline was weak.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 5, 2012 1:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The center was the weak link.
Think they had some injuries or something and were forced to go with a freshman at center.
The Minny game could’ve been won easily if they had just gotten a first down. Minny never would’ve gotten the ball or would’ve gotten too late to do anything with it. So one more 1st down and the whole season is different because obviously after the Minny game the team quit.
nah
it’s true…there were some HORRIFIC personnel decisions made in ’99 with regards to the line
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Boom!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eV4No5wvHY
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
"The way things are these days, 9-3 and one of the best graduation rates in the country doesn't seem like such a terrible bargain to make." - Michael Weinreb
by Mike Pettigano on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I was at that Miami game
I swear I saw the hand of God reach down from the clouds and touch Thompson’s arm before he threw that to Chafie Fields. It was glorious.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 5, 2012 1:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Call me crazy
But I have a gut feeling that Daryll Clark somehow, someway makes it on the new staff at PSU, and that will somehow, someway make our QBs better.
I have no idea how or why, but I just feel it.
But if Jay is gone,
who’s couch is he going to sleep on?
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Cryptic and so true...
But also sad, just sad.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not Twit lit....
Please explain what it means.
somebody basically sent Michael Robinson a message
saying “we need you back on our sidelines to help show these players how to be a true leader.”
He responded “in due time” which makes me think he wants to come back and coach post NFL career. Which would be awesome
I remember at the Blue White game, when I came home and watched the replay
and in the booth MRob was talking about one day coaching at PSU.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
I actually tweeted about the new staff needing DC17's passion and leadership
he replied and said he is working on making it happen for next year. Not sure how this is possible w/o a HC, but he’s prob at least taken steps to become a grad assistant if things work out accordingly.
by Jared Slanina on Jan 4, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
That would be so great
To ahve someone with a little passion and get the troops riled up in a tight spot. Can we also add LaVar to the sidlines and coach…anything.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
by AriesGD on Jan 4, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Come on!......
Bagadonutz has a better chance of stepping off of the bus than Paul Jones….he’s wasted 2 years and we all know what Rob is capable of….DC17 will not be staying if a new HC is found and there is no guarantee that the QB stepping off of the bus tradition will be continued. All I know for sure is that we are in day 4 of 2012, NHC.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
NHC = No Head Coach
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks...
I thought it meant “No Hairy Chicks”.
by J Breezy on Jan 4, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Either translation would work for me.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Go easy on Jones.
This year will be the year when we can really judge whether he can handle PSU academically.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
New LO tweet
(quoted since I can’t get on Twitter at work):
“PSU source: Current football coaching staff scheduled to meet with AD Dave Joyner this Friday”
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
To be handed their walking papers.
That should have been done immediately following the bowl game so at least some of these guys could go after other jobs. I feel bad for them.
_______________________
It would be a classless move
if it happens that way. Just to be fair.
Russ Rose....
comes back from his hiatus on friday….that’s so the vote will be unanimous….I always like a unanimous search committee.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
But don't call them
send a messenger with a dial-in number for a conference call.
Come on now...
Nobody at associated with Penn State would ever do that
Or just text them...
Like that classy former HC at Pitt did…
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Always remember that at least we're not Pitt.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
Yeah
Especially since almost all of them currently have job offers from other schools. Almost all seem to want to stay at PSU.
Its a real dick move on the part of the search committee.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
What more or less can one expect....
from a loser like Joyner…he is not the man for this job…however I will change my mind if he just hires Tom, but that just ain’t gonna happen….I am sure that if he does summarily fire the whole staff, it will happen after all news deadlines are due on a friday.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Come on
what’s the story with Joyner? Is it just that he’s a former BoT member, or did he run over your dog too?
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Joyner is......
from the “school” that says the JS Scandal is/was a FB Program Scandal…he is looking for a HC that will bring “integrity and the academic standards” back to the program. What?! He just doesn’t represent. My dog’s dead and no, Joyner didn’t kill him. But he does qualify as a former BoT member, and he acts just like that sorry bunch. As it is being written, I wouldn’t be surprised if he does fire the FB Staff by phone.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I also have some reason to not trust Joyner
that is more based out of pre-2011 behavior than anything else. When I found out he was going to be acting AD, I thought “uh oh”. Hopefully I’ll be proven wrong.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
To encrypt sufficiently
back when he used to be a surgeon, I have direct anecdotal evidence that on at least one occasion, he chose a surgical option which by contemporary surgical standards was far from the most effective. It required more recovery time for the patient and had a lower success rate, but took about half as long on the operating table. Another surgeon, when told of the choice Joyner made, said something like “wow, Joyner must have been having a bad day.”
Apparently, he’s more patient now. Remains to be seen if his judgment is better.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
You just depressed me...sufficiently...
Judgment is always a quality that is slow to change within a person and depends on positive and negative effects of their decisions. I doubt he has changed much. Hopefully, I’m wrong.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
While sorry about the gist of that story
I love that the anecdotal evidence you have is direct.
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
To clarify
by “direct” I mean that the person involved was either myself or someone with whom I’ve directly communicated and have reason to trust, and not one of those pieces of anecdotal evidence that is passed down through the grapevine and/or internet. Like, for instance, if any of you brought up the anecdote I just gave, I would classify that as indirect.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
lawls!
Sweet! Ladies and gentlemen, I am now in possession of one very juicy indirect anecdote about Mssr Joyner.
And now I love the deliberate ambiguity you’ve built into in your definition of direct (that person being either yourself or someone else trustworthy to you).
Octa single-handedly giving me my language fun fix for the day.
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
I am either extremely deliberate
or entirely careless.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
See, I have backed off on my hatred of Joyner
Because he’s backed off on his stance on Joe. He seems to be backpeddling away from distancing the university from Joe and that in time they will give Joe better treatment.
Not that it changes the scub bag way they treated him earlier… but its nice to see him coming around some.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
It's for the customary year-end pizza party.
Someone tweet this to ESPN. If it’s not on the bottom line by noon, I will feel as though you failed me.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Anyone hear about a supposed players meeting with Joyner also on Friday?
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
There was an article on Laschout
I posted it in the fanshots. Take a gander
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
Anybody watch Skyler play last night?
I caught a few moments of the Semper Fi bowl
-Nice release on his passes
-Decent Mobility
-Tended to overthrow his receivers on deep routes
I'll take the overthrow on deep balls
than the underthrow. I’m still having nightmares about Bolden’s propensity to underthrow wide receivers. I just don’t get it. He could probably throw the ball 50 yards from his knees, how could you short passes like that? Sigh.
Eh...
If a team is playing zone, the safety over the top is going to pick those overthrown balls.
But who knows, he was playing behind a new OL and throwing to brand new receivers. Those games are hardly perfect from an execution/coaching standpoint.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 4, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
In a game like that, you shouldn't even look at results at all
Just things like movement, release, confidence, ability to adjust, etc. I thought he looked pretty good.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Also, suitable for your discussion.
Mike Poorman and Ben Jones are saying that signs point to Schiano for PSU HC.
"I’ve been hearing a lot of talk throughout the agent community that something is going on with Schiano," said the agent, who handles both NFL players and coaches, and is familiar with Penn State football. "His name keeps on popping up in conjunction with Penn State among people I know."
According to public flight records available on FlightAware.com, on Dec. 27 one of Penn State’s private jets flew to the Morristown Municipal Airport in central New Jersey. After a layover of 3 hours and 12 minutes — ample time for a substantive meeting or interview — the jet flew back to University Park.
One trip to the Morristown airport — less than 30 miles from Schiano’s home in Piscataway, N.J., north of the Rutgers campus – may be innocuous. But paired with two more trips, it could signal a coaching search pattern.
Records available via FlightAware.com indicate that a jet owned by a Penn State supporter with professional sports ownership experience made trips to the same Morristown airport on Dec. 26 and Jan. 1. (The airfield is not the home airport of the jet owner.)
In addition, a university aircraft flew to the Trenton-Mercer (N.J.) Airport on Tuesday, with a layover of 3 hours and 10 minutes before returning to University Park. Schiano’s home is 33 miles from the Trenton airfield.
In all, the two aircraft made four trips to the Morristown and Trenton airports from Monday, Dec. 26 to Tuesday, Jan. 3.
To me, this is stupid on about sixty levels, but…it’s not my name on it, so I don’t really care. I hope for Ben’s sake that there’s some truth to it, because Poorman has been straight guessing this entire time and I’d prefer for Ben to not get dragged down by it.
But eventually they're gonna get it right
How many remotely viable candidates are left? That is the number of days we wait until the announcement is made
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone think that.....
….“eventually they’re gonna get it right”? Eventually they’re not gonna have a viable candidate left.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
if they do get it right
im not looking forward to them bragging “told you so” You know they will. Im not talking about those guys in general, FWIW, i just mean every beat writer will link to an article where they mentioned the eventual hire. Cause they all have one. cause they all have named about 250 different people as potential candidates.
If we've waited all this time to hire Shiano
I’m going straight to Home Depot to purchase Pitchforks and torches for anyone who wants to join me on the way to Joyner’s house.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
^^^has leftover stash in the trunk^^^
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
Are you familiar with the environmentally-acceptable manner in which to destroy pitchforks?
I’d guess you can’t just pour em out like beers at an underage raid.
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
If the torches have been used correctly,
then there will be no pitchforks to destroy.
Everything will have been destroyed.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Sign me up!!
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, I'd rather have Shciano than an NFL assistant with no HC experience or PSU/regional ties
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 4, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'm tempted to flag this
If you are referring to Clements. Definitely better than Shiano.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking more of the other (unfounded) rumors about Roman and O'Brien
But even with Clements (who I would be OK with), I don’t think you can say they are definitely better than Schiano. They have no HC experience at any level. Some of them don’t even have coordinator experience. They’ve got little college experience and/or no ties to the region. We have no idea how they would recruit.
Maybe they’d all end up being amazing HC at Penn State, but they’re risky. With Schiano, or Golden, or some of the other college guys that may or may not be realistic candidates, you at least know what you’re getting. And with Schiano, it actually isn’t all that terrible. He wouldn’t be my first choice but at this point I could live with it.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 4, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
That's exactly how I feel about Schiano.
Not my first choice or dream choice and not somebody I’d get excited over, but I wouldn’t be majorly disappointed either. Like you, I could live with it.
I couldn't live with Shiano over Bradley though
If Bradley wasn’t in the mix, I’d be alright with it. And yea, Roman and O’Brien I would have been pretty pissed about
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm on the record as being against Schiano as a hire
but he’s a far better candidate than Tom Clements.
Always worry about the guy who doesn’t get his “break” until just about the time when he should be preparing to retire. If he was a real leader, someone else would have noticed before now.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 4, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
You're referring to Clements or Schiano? or both...
with that last sentence?
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Clements
Schiano has head coaching experience. He’s not in my top five, but he wouldn’t be learning the college game on day one.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 4, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I am ambivilant about both...
But neither is terrible and each is better than someone like Cutcliffe, or some other middling NCAA Football coach, or mediocre NFL coach.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I'd take Clements over Schiano.
Did you see Roger’s back up in the game against Detroit? Ridiculous.
They guy can coach some quarterbacks up theres no doubt. I also like Roman over Schiano. The more I read about the guy the more it screams winner. And Roman also stated that for him PSU is a lifetime job. I like that attitude.
I dont want O’brien at all.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
Schiano's only what, like 45?
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
45
and he’s been at Rutgers for ten years. That’s a flag for me, since Rutgers is not a destination job. However, it also means that when he was 34-35, somebody in North Jersey thought “this guy has the makings of a head coach.” Nobody has thought that about Tom Clements until now, and he’s 60 years old. What’s his upside?
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
The age thing is why I think it won't be Clements...
Even though, as I mentioned I am neither opposed nor for his hiring.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly why Clements could be WORSE for recruiting than our current situation.
At least now we can try to sell the hope of a big-name coach. With Clements, everyone knows he’ll be gone within a couple years anyway, so why bother?
And other than getting us one or two good QB prospects, who else would he be able to bring in? We have plenty of 4 and 5-star QB recruits, thank you very much.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
With Clements, everyone knows he’ll be gone within a couple years anyway, so why bother?
Thats what they said about Joe when he turned 60…. in 1986
I'm intrigued by Clements, but for mostly selfish reasons.
I loved the guy as a HS athlete (and later at ND)….one of my idols growing up. Plus if things worked out…and it would be an extreme longshot, but there is a connection and a chance…I could end up being extremely connected to the coaching staff should Clements get the job and make the right hire of his own.
Taking that out of it, I honestly don’t know what to make of him. I tend to think it’s a big step up for him and am not sure if he’d be up to it or not. BUT….the guy’s succeeded at everything he’s ever done so that makes me feel good about him.
I remember him as well.
For some intangible reason I think he could be great.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
It's Breezy's last sentence.
Clements really has succeeded at everything he’s ever done, if you throw out being a 3rd string NFL QB for one year in the middle of a CFL Hall of Fame career.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
You're right -- that is the reason.
Some guys just seem to have a way of figuring things out.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I'd take Clements.
At least we would have a prayer at having a decent quarterback at some point or another. That itself would be a vast improvement.
_______________________
He was 3rd string because like Flutie he was short.
You know how it is in the NFL for a qb that’s not, at that time, at least 6’.
Another thing about Clements success… he’s done it all while being expected to do it. What I mean is everybody knew he was a rare talent and thus expected a lot from him and he delivered. Whoever takes over for Paterno will be under a lot of pressure just from replacing a legend, not to mention the scandal. Clements has proven throughout his life that he can rise to the occasion.
It's not that I'm necessarily against Schiano.
I hope we can get someone who, in my unqualified mind, might be better. But he’s not the end of the world, and would certainly upgrade the energy put forth on the recruiting front.
He makes about $2M at Rutgers and both his salary and the Rutgers stadium construction are frozen due to NJ’s financial difficulties. He has all sorts of reasons to leave, and might not even require a salary increase.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but I just looked at his record again
and his teams have been pretty terrible in an awful Big East. He’s been there eleven years, so even if you throw out the first three awful season he’s still averaged a tie for 4th place in the BE for the past eight seasons. There were only eight teams in the BE during the majority of that time. I’d be hugely disappointed with Schiano; just more so with Clements.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree about his record. It is what it is.
But if we’re at the point where it’s Clements vs. Schiano…I mean, bleh. Hold your nose and pick one.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I'm really hoping
that Schiano is a “Plan B” type guy that they’re talking to just in case things with the top choice somehow fall through.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
The other thing about Schiano...
Is even in his best year (the year they took down #1 Louisville, etc.) they couldn’t win the Big East. That to me, more than anything says a lot.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
You've got to consider
that he’s recruiting kids to go to Rutgers. Rutgers! At least Pitt is in Pittsburgh and WVU is an insane party school.
Have you been to Rutgers? It sucks! The only thing it has going for it is that it’s easy to get to NYC from there. The fact that he’s been moderately successful is a plus in my book.
I’m not sure any coach could ever turn Rutgers into a powerhouse.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
I'm not saying that his team had to be a perennial powerhouse, but..
That team was clearly his best and had some great players. It was clearly the best he had and yet he still could not coach that team to winning the Big East. That team should have won it and blew it after the Louisville victory. It tells me that maybe he can get his kids to win big games here and there, but can he get them to win the big game for the conference, can he win the bowl game, etc. I don’t know if he can dow that.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Schiano will bring some energy.
But I just think overall he’d be more of the same….cut from the same cloth, so to speak.
And the fact that he couldn’t win the horrible Big East makes me wonder how he could ever win the Big 10. RR dominated the Big East, but was embarrassed big time when he stepped up to the big leagues….I can’t see why I would expect Schiano to do better.
I didn't like Schiano at all til his BSD profile
Still not a top choice but one I could live with. I didn’t realize how historically awful Rutgers was. I’m no longer convinced we can do better but I know we can do worse.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 4, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
"I know we could do worse."
That pretty much sums it up for me on Schiano.
"I’m no longer convinced we can do better but I know we can do worse."
Basically, that is how I feel as well.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
He was a lawyer for five years before he left to pursue coaching.
The guy brings stability and the backing of just about every player and coach he’s ever come into contact with.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
I'm against Shiano
I’d rather have a ham sandwhich coaching. At least Clements might do something with our QBs. Also, I have a one track mind and right now its focused on the piss poor play of our QBs the past two seasons
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
So we'd have good QBs and what else?
Great, we could be Hawaii or Houston. Pass.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 4, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think he'd only focus on quarterbacking
Just because he’s developed QB talent, doesn’t mean that he will ignore the defensive side of the ball and the Oline/run game. I’d be interested to see what staff he would bring to the table.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Unless he can convince Aaron Rodgers to retire and discover some unused eligibility
I’d still pass.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Well he's not my top pick either
But the fact that we’re debating Clements versus Shiano right now is leading to the formation of an ulcer in my stomach.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed +1
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Jan 4, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
My concern with Clements and his defensive staff hires...
If they come from Green Bay, it might not be good, considering that Green Bay has been bad on defense for quite some time now. In fact, to be real, they weren’t all that great last year, but did have a lot of injuries.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't expect that
I’m not familiar with GB’s staff, but other than Darren Perry, who has been a successful assistant, I can’t see why defensive coaches would follow him here just to work with him. They didn’t work “under him.” I wouldn’t be surprised if the defensive and offensive staffs barely even know each other.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 4, 2012 9:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we waited all this time to get Schiano
I’m guessing it means we struck out on the first couple choices. Which is not a good sign.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Looks like we can chill
source has confirmed, per Ben, that Schiano is not even interviewing for job
Per MikePoormanBenJones
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
I wonder if they ...
have even interviewed anyone other than Bradley.
/only half kidding.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 4, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was confirmed that Clements got an interview
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
Commentators said something in passing during the Packers game
that Clements was getting an interview “this week” I think.
by TheWrathofQBEagles on Jan 4, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
It was also reported in the Pgh papers.
Clements was getting a 2nd interview, in person this time.
I heard Clements had two interviews, the second was on skype.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
Schiano..
If offered the job, I think he would take it.
Back in ’06 when he won the “Coach of the Year”, during his speech I remember him saying that he had a large book containing things he learned from Paterno and how much respect he had for him. It seemed like he went out of his way to say it.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Those tag-team efforts make it impossible for the reader to tell who’s contributed what to the article.
Muddies the byline brands.
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
I don't even open links to Poorman's articles anymore.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
For awhile this morning, reading your tweets
I was getting my Mans mixed up. Poorman = State College.
Musselman = Pittsburgh
Miss = Former gym teacher:
jtothetweet
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Jayne Trcka
Bio.
Also, somebody spent an awful lot of time on the Scary Movie wiki.
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
I'm rooting for Schaino...
if for no other reason than to stick it to Rutgers fans. Went over to their SB site and one commenter admitted to reveling in PSU’s misfortunes. Cause, you know, you’re allowed to revel in the fact that children were hurt if your football program is made better by it.
Anyway, Rutgers will remain middle of the pack Big East which is equal to bottom of the barrel in any other BCS conference. Schiano has maxed out Rutgers. I don’t think its his fault Rutgers can’t do better than it has the past few years, its Rutgers’ fault that Schiano can’t do better than he has the past few years.
by NittanyBlueHen on Jan 4, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Probably Tom Bradley....
after he gets fired from PennState….makes about as much sense as all of the other rumors.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
One Penn State Plane Headed to Chester Country today
Not sure what the hell is there.
They don’t use those planes for recruiting trips, do they?
West Chester is a lovely town.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
#RayMigneco4PSU!
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
I thought it was one of your twitter names at some point?
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
Did I spell it wrong
Or misremember it?
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
aaaand
you got me.
Sucka is as sucka does…
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
Chester or West Chester?
Worlds apart..,
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I heard from a trusted source that
Penn State, in an effort to throw off the media’s search even more, has hired Phil Margera to shave his head and beard and wander the campus in University of Kansas attire.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Jan 4, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully he left his wife at home..
because those college boys would run a train on April
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 4, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
/googles April Margera
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
/was underwhelmed
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
yeah wouldn't touch her with a 10 foot stick
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 4, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing the original post was in jest
Because eww
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
You are overrating the standards
of college boys.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
What's the next part of your master plan?
by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 4, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
apologies to those who didn't see the Dark Knight Rises prologue
by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 4, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
it's not from the trailer
It’s from the 6 minute prologue. Search around the web and you might find a bootleg version.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 4, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
My only complaint...
That scene where the football field just caves in under Hines Ward’s feet looks pretty hokey. Other than that, I’ve enjoyed what I’ve seen so far.
My problem with that scene..
is that Hines Ward wasn’t sucked in.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 4, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see McGloin be the starter to begin next season
But if he shows he doesn’t have it then I would be open to the others excluding Bolden. People have often mentioned about how Bolden was handled in terms of his poor development, but I also think that additional reps and McGloin knowing he is the starter (without having to worry about one mistake putting him back on the bench) could have possibly helped his development as well. Perhaps his ceiling is not as high, but I still think there is more potential than what we saw this year.
But whoever is the QB we need to see more out of that position than what we saw in 2011.
This Rob Bolden
is the best QB on the team, and moving forward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFXKzj-r238
the man looks like a pro prospect, that throw off the back foot to Smith is a real tough throw.
The guy has boatloads of talent, he just has the mental makeup of my unborn daughter, and you can’t play him if he until he gets that straightened out. There was even a point monday where he hit two passes then threw a deep ball to Moye that was on the money (he dropped it) that he looked really good on, but after the drop he regressed right back into bad Bolden.
Night and day between that game and either of the past two bowl performances
and I write that not just because he completed a screen pass and three to the guys in the white jerseys. He looked really good.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Jan 4, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
So, is it a case of the QBs not trusting the receivers....
And the receivers not trusting the QBs? That would say a lot…and would also beg for someone new, either PJ or SM (if he stays) next year.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
I just watched that video. Bolden looked beyond impressive. For his sake, I hope he figures it out.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Part of the reason why...
Galen Hall and Jay Paterno deserve to be axed. They’ve clearly aided in this kid’s demise.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
While I agree
He was making passes. On Monday they played Houston. Houston. If I have to choose between playing against Houston’s defense or Minnesota’s, I think I choose to play Houston’s. But thats saying exactly nothing.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
This Rob Bolden
Wasn’t too shabby either. I was partying my face off in Tuscaloosa, so I didn’t do any video analysis of the dropped passes in the 2010 Bama game, but I’d posit that the shattered confidence we’re seeing in Rob Bolden right now actually began before his Minnesota concussion with dropped passes in the Bama & Iowa games. Remember Iowa’s beastly Dline in 2010? Our dudes catch a few of those 6 dropped balls and Bolden’s numbers would look much better against them:
Now, about 4 of those were gimmes and two or so would have been tough, but great, plays. Had all 6 passes been caught (MAKE PLAYS!), Bolden’s completion percentage would have been 70% instead of 54%, and his passing yardage might have been around 287 (rough estimate) As it was, Bolden passed for 20 completions on 37 attempts for 212 yards against a great defense in a tough Big Ten night road game. A game where points and first downs were extremely tough to come by. While the offensive coaches unveiled seldom-or-not-seen-to-date plays, including plenty of rollouts, tight slants and even a few shovel passes (?!!) designed to give the freshman the best possible chance against an unleashed pack of monsters, the Penn State receivers let him down by failing to seize these opportunities to help the team’s cause. While it’s nice to witness youngsters (musbooger’d) Devon Smith and Justin Brown continue to step up and make plays, it’s downright heartbreaking to see the formerly-reliable elder statesmen drop the ball.
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Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
As I said, the QBs and receivers clearly don't have confidence in each other.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Give me another MRob.
Who took all of that time in the summer of ’05 to work tirelessly with those incoming freshman. Give me a leader.
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If you want to be a big time QB you have to be able to rebound from a few bad games
especially when they aren’t your fault. I’ve really felt bad for Bolden over his time here…I feel like he didn’t get much help, but at the same, he has to be able to toughen up after a dropped pass or INT, not fall apart.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 4, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed on all of that
And yeah, not only did he not ‘get much help,’ it was pretty much a perfect storm of Fail all around him, including at the homestead.*
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Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
That shattered confidence, tho
Was exacerbated by JoePa and whatever locker room environment was going on up there pre-Nov 7. Don’t get me wrong, I saw what Joe was trying to experiment with—against his historical instincts—vis a vis the teachable moment he experienced in the Devlin departure, but it didn’t work, this year, with Rob.
Chris is right: Joe dragged that experiment on far too long and a broken psyche is what we’re left with. Joe wasn’t the only culprit (again, who knows how mentally fractured that squad was in the locker room. The Drake-McGloin knockout underscores how tough it may have been to be led by, let alone get along with, McMoxie). Plus, who knows how Bolden’s season may have progressed if freakin Dayvon had caught that opening pass against Bama this year. It’s super-tough for me to get over WR dropped passes when evaluating QB play.
Lots and lots of factors go into these kids’ performances. That’s why I’ll take a scheme-mediocre coach with a willingness to try some new things (like a little less Cover 3!), who graduates his players, avoids putting a product on the field which would jeopardize the delicate PSU athletics micro-economy and who can lead and foster unity.
If we can get one.
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Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
I remember that Devon Smith drop...
I almost threw my beer at the TV. That blown catch and that ridiculous spot Alabama received on the fake punt play were seminal in turning around momentum (what little PSU had) in the game.
I was mostly over it
Til every time I’ve seen Dayvon pull up from a route with a pout. Then I get mad at him again for it.
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Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
He really needs to be an H-back or something. Like a Reggie Bush/Darren Sproles in New Orleans type.
Because he sure is hell ain’t a WR. He has dropped way too many balls the last two years and he is like 5 feet tall. Give me a break.
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See, there. Decisive, poised, knew where he was going with the ball and just *threw* it.
Not to totally excuse the guy from his own current demise, but I really believe he was mostly ruined by the coaching staff.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
The coaching staff didn't help
But to be an athlete at this level you need to have a certain mental toughness. He will either get it, or he won’t.
The kid was given the chance to take back his job in spring practice and couldn’t get it done.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
This.
As questionable as Jay’s track record is, I can’t put this one entirely on him.
Joe and crew bent over backwards to kid this kid every chance to be “the guy” and its a friggin’ miracle that the only Bolden starts resulting in wins were ’Bama and the Bowl game.
by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 4, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're overestimating the maturity of 18 and 19 year olds.
by Chris Grovich on Jan 4, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
The importance of leadership shouldn't be underestimated
Robinson’s poise in ‘05 against Northwestern followed by that play against Minnesota where he accidentally ended that guy’s career with his massive quad muscle went a long way to turning the whole program around, not just those games.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 4, 2012 11:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe...
its just good memory bias, but, while PSU was never innovative on offense, in the 90’s they seemed much better at getting their better players the ball in positions to make plays. They did whatever they could to get Bobby Engram the ball. Hell they threw a slip screen to beat MSU on the last play of the game.
It seems in the last several years, the offense just didn’t do that.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 4, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
I was on Team Bolden so long because of that Bama game. He looked like he was on the way to being Kerry Collins II.
My father has been saying for years
I’m talking back more than a decade, even before Jay, “every season our QB’s get worse! the coaches ruin them!” But to be honest I thought he was just being dramatic.
If you could point to one prime example that I actually agree with him, that would be Bolden. He came in a bright young star who hung around with national champion Alabama in his first road game, and now can’t hit his FB 3 yards away with no one around.
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
I can't help but wonder about the game plan for the bowl game
The coaches know that Bolden is struggling with confidence and I’m pretty sure anybody who watches him realizes that he’s thinking too much. So why not push the tempo? Why not line up in shotgun, give him 3 or 4 receivers and let him make a quick decision and just throw the ball? In that scenario, he can just make quick decisions, get to the line, and just hopefully let his ability take over. Instead, the coaches do the exact opposite. They slow the pace. Run on 1st and 2nd down constantly, and then ask him to make multiple reads and try and complete 3rd and long. Just doesn’t make sense. I get that Bolden didn’t inspire much confidence and that they wanted to scale down the playbook to help him, but even when they did that, I don’t think they handled it well.
Pretty sure our coaches don't believe in an up tempo offense.
Bolden running a no huddle would not be pretty. I don’t think the coaches understand how that works. Sure would be nice to PSU run it though.
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He ran a no-huddle in high school
and even THIS season, he’s seemed at his most comfortable in a no-huddle scenario where his reads are limited and he’s given quick routes to look for.
Thinking too much?
Get him some booze. Can’t be worse, right?
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
Give me a ham sandwich and a decent o-line
People complain about Jay, but our QB’s have been the absolute least of our offensive problems during his tenure here. How many truly great offensive lines did that two headed dipshit put on the field in 20 years? 1? 2? How many seasons do we read “questions on the offensive line” “shuffling of players on the offensive line”?
Houston was getting pressure on Bolden, and about half of our running plays there were offensive linemen just jogging around without so much as looking at a defender.
I’m sorry Bolden couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn last week, but if you ask me, he shouldn’t have needed to. We couldn’t run the ball against Houston. Houston!
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
This is also a valid point.
Considering that they were not that terrible at run blocking during the year. I was also just surprised at how ineffectual they looked. Again, and I hate to say this, part of me believes they mailed this game in. Hate to say that, but look at the results and their attitudes two days ago.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
There were like 4 seniors on that offensive line
They have to at least entertain the idea of getting picked up by an NFL team right? Block someone! Just grab the guy in front of you and blow him off the line for the film alone, you might just get rich for it.
I can see how our younger players mailed it in, they didn’t want to accept the bowl bid in the first place, but a veteran senior offensive line just getting mauled by Houston was by far the most embarassing aspect of that game for me.
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
Yeah, no argument here...
It would surprise me if the seniors bought into it. Heck, you’d think they have some pride, right??
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 4, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Danny has pride
Or does he? We never learned the answer.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 4, 2012 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think our best line was this one
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Jan 4, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Couldn't agree more.
If we had a good o-line like we had pre 1995, we could do sooooo much more. With some blocking, we could just use a guy like Belton as QB platooning with whatever enthusiastic kid from Allentown/Scranton/Clearfield turns up next, run all day with the occasional lob to tight end or fullback and score 24-31 pts a game, at least. With just a little more talent in the secondary, our defense could make that hold up against anyone.
The battle on the line is really the key to the whole sport.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 4, 2012 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know why...
every team doesn’t use some form of a running QB. Tim Tebow might be the best college player ever and he can’t throw with sh*t. Florida had about 3 pass plays in their playbook.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 4, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Look at how successful Ohio State has been this decade
And look at their QBs. Troy Smith – mobile, competent passer but by no means dangerous.
TP – Mobile, Running QB. Arm punter
Braxton Miller – Mobile, primarily running qb, arm punter.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
Schiano....
not a horrible hire. You weren’t going to hit a homerun after the “Scandal”. You’ll get 4 or 5 years of 8-4, 9-3 from him and then you can fire him for not winnin the division or not beating Ohio St. and then go get the big name hire.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 4, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions
I'm not thrilled about Schiano. In fact, I rather he stay in Jersey.
But you make a good point. I think our hire will be a “long-term temp” hire. In that regard, he would be a decent catch.
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The next HC will not be on the current staff
How can it be if it was going to be on the current staff then they would have already said it would be one of them. The only way I see someone on the current staff getting the HC job is everyone else would have to turn it down. Schiano will not be that bad of a hire but I would be happy to see someone else. I except ManChuk to be the next HC.
Very true.
And I don’t think it will be a NFL assistant because that probably would have been done already as well. You can’t wait until these teams are out of the playoffs — that could be past signing day!
I’m moving into “whatever” territory with the coaching hire. It won’t be Petersen and he’s really the only guy I would have been 100% happy with it. I think the hire will generate a “meh” reaction from the majority of folks and I think we’ll be a .500ish team the next few years.
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I still think Munchak is not coming to Happy Valley.
I just don’t see him abandoning the Titans, and even though he didn’t make the playoffs, they had a good comeback year.
But that poses another question. Maybe Schiano or Clements, or someone else, is a bridge hire for an eventual Munchak hire?
Well, in that case
Either Munchak does a poor job at Tennessee, and thus becomes more available for Penn State, or Munchak proves to be a very good NFL coach and thus becomes less available. In one cases, you get a less sexy option. In the other, you don’t have a shot to pry him away.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
You have a point.
I was merely speculating, Munchak was never my first choice. However, there is some precedent for coaches leaving a team even when they’ve been successful to start anew somewhere else. Not saying that it happens often, just saying it can happen.
I'm not sure about that
They may be waiting to see how Bradley did in the final games while also not wanting to announce it until the season is over out of respect for Jay, Galen, et al, who are going to be canned. Of course, if that’s the case, they should be ready by now, but that’s true regardless. These last 48 hours could be lining up assistants. Who knows?
I’d take Clements or Roman. I think they are a risk but have big upside, to use NBA draft lingo. They’ve succeeded at all their previous jobs. If they come with a relatively cheap buyout, it’s a risk we can take.
I’d pick Munchak over either of them, but I think he’s content in Tennessee.
Schiano seems like too safe of a pick, but his record at Rutgers is hard to judge. It might just be that Rutgers is a shithole. I don’t know. I’ve never been there, but certainly few great players from NJ want to play there, it appears. How many 4 or 5 star guys from NJ actually picked Rutgers over bigger programs because they really preferred it and not because of academic issues? That was true pre-Schiano but even moreso.
I’ll give the benefit of the doubt to anybody for two years. We have to support him at least initially. It won’t help the team if the fans are already against the coach. They should change the name of Paternoville. Not to dis Joe, but to show total support for our new overlords.
I’ve always accepted that whoever follows Joe might just be the bridge. Nebraska, Michigan, and UNC basketball have all successfully rebounded from similar “great long-time coach followed by a loser” situation. The next guy will be on a short leash. He may get a five-year contract, but he’ll have to show significant progress in three to earn the last two let alone a new contract.
I don’t think we ever really tried hard to get Peterson. I think that story was all ginned up by his agent for leverage at BSU. He’s a west coast guy. He could be waiting for USC or Washington or Cal to open up and surely he could have had UCLA or ASU or Az, right? But apparently he likes Boise. Or maybe he wants the NFL. Either way, he was never going to come here.
Same with Richt. I think that was all his agent’s ploy.
Now watch me be wrong…
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 4, 2012 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You have an error in the title.
Please correct it to read Depth Charging, not Depth Charting.
Am I the first to post in the comment section?
/projecting Bolden’s pocket awareness to blog reading
by bscaff on Jan 4, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Now StateCollege.com is reporting...
…Schiano has no interest and hasn’t interviewed.
A source close to Rutgers coach Greg Schiano has contacted StateCollege.com to report that the former Penn State assistant coach is not interested in becoming the next head coach at Penn State. Schiano, the source reported, has not interviewed for the position.
Maybe Mike Poorman should sit out a day or two, hmm?
Maybe they should all sit out a day or two.
It’s becoming a daily event. Speculation in the morning. Dismissed in the afternoon. Been hard to take anything seriously for the last month.
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So you're telling me that everything that is reported isn't actually true??
I feel shocked…..since PSU would have at least 10 coaches by now if all of the “reports” were correct.
Someone should tell Ben and Mike
that those PSU planes are not jets.
We should all just pick a name
When it’s announced, someone will look very smart. The key is doing what Sekrah is doing, just pick one name, stick to it, and act totally confident.
Our next head coach will be Dabo Swinney, I have no doubt, it is set in stone, Mark it down. Dabo Swinney.
But seriously, that guy’s name is Dabo? I googled “Clemson head coach” and had a laugh. I’ve never heard of him before.
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
Oh boy, another year of McGloin and Bolden..
Another year of debates. At this rate, we have another ex-coach showering with boys. Another legendary coach to fire. Ugh.
What up with the other PSU QB's?
After watching another dismal performance by Bolden at the bowl game, I have a hard time believing that he is the best we can do at backup QB. I don’t subscribe to all the scouting/insider sites and such, but what is the scoop with the other QB’s on the roster??
I know MacGregor and Venuto are a bit small, as are Belton and Drake ( I know the last 2 are not technically QBs).
What is the story on this John Cabot? Looks to have good size. I know he’s a walk-on too. In fact, walked all the way from Cali to be on this team. Are his feet still sore, or is he redshirted? or what?
There will be no debate...
I’m telling you guys, as my gut has told me, it’s going to be Skyler Mornenwhig next year…I just have a feeling…they are going to throw him out there, birth by fire….
Not that I am in full support of that move...
but I wouldn’t be surprised or opposed to it, remember different coaching staff so there may be different results (at least he’ll look better than Bolden or McGloin).
PAUL JONES HEISMAN 2012
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 4, 2012 5:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Too much emphasis on the QB
We went 22-0 in ‘68 and ’69 with Chuck Burkhart and he passed for a total of 8 touchdowns. It’s a team game – everybody has to execute.
I’ll take a smart QB over a “pick a number”-star QB any day.
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
I get what you're saying and I actually love old time football.
But the game has changed dramatically since then. No longer can you win consistently with the Chuck Burkhart type qbs.
But it is a team game. I still think PSU’s qbs are bad, but their o-line certainly didn’t help them much. And the receivers had way more drops of easy/nice passes than great catches of bad passes.
It's Mick Jagger
Hey, you, get offa my cloud!
I vote for Shane "The Highlander" McGregor
I also have faint hope that if Clements is the guy that he can pull a last minute coup and get another QB recruit this year.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
McGregor unfortunately
Has graduated this winter with a double major in English and Journalism and had like a 3.89 GPA. He has a very bright future, just read a good article he wrote about a former PSU swimmer trying to get back into international competition, very well done.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
I read that
didn’t even realize that he was the one who wrote it. I am impressed
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