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Bill O'Brien: BSD Staff Reactions, Now With 200% More Angst!

FOXBORO, MA - AUGUST 11:  Head coach Bill Belichick of the New England Patriots along with Bill O'Brien and Tom Brady #12, talk with Brian Hoyer #8 in the first half against the Jacksonville Jaguars on August 11, 2011 at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts.  (Photo by Elsa/Getty Images)

Bill O'Brien is apparently the new head football coach at Penn State. Of course, Penn State has done nothing to confirm this as of mid-Friday morning, but Penn State probably couldn't gather up the collective cojones to definitively confirm that the sun rose in the east this morning.

Tempting as it may be to do the ESPN thing and be That Contrarian Guy, it's practically impossible to get on board with this seemingly impending hire. That's not particularly fair to Bill O'Brien, who may turn out to be a fantastic college football coach and assemble a killer coaching staff. Time will reveal these things to us, but this is Internet, and Internet demands instant reaction.

The outrage -- and that's not even remotely an exaggeration -- of the Penn State fanbase seems to be based on a number of factors. Some are still angry at how the administration handled Joe Paterno's firing. Others wanted Tom Bradley to remain as head coach. These are reasonable things that we've been collectively arguing ad nauseam for weeks. However, I'm fairly sure we can agree on this:

Dave Joyner (and Ira Lubert, behind the scenes) arrogantly conducted this search with what appeared to be no help or input from anyone else, strung along Tom Bradley and the rest of the remaining coaching staff, acted coy in the media, assured everyone that Penn State knew exactly what it was doing, let the process drag out until the very last weeks of the recruiting period, and came back to us with Bill O'Brien. They proudly strode up to a five-alarm fire, waited six weeks, and threw a Dixie Cup of water on it. Tim Curley's hire of Patrick Chambers -- a mid-major coach tapped to take over a rarely-successful and marginally profitable men's basketball program -- was infinitely more clever and inspired than this.

Assuming that the mass freakout of fans, alumni, and former players doesn't spook Joyner and Lubert to nix the O'Brien deal at the last moment (if that's even possible), the new coach deserves a chance to succeed or fail on his own. LaVar Arrington has gone total HAM on Twitter this morning, to the point of renouncing any affiliation with Penn State. Brandon Short is threatening a lawsuit on behalf of himself and other players to bar PSU from using their likeness in marketing campaigns. This is not helping.

Yes, O'Brien deserves a chance. However, his apparent decision to remain on the Patriots' staff through the playoffs is an enormous red flag, especially with an already-crumbling recruiting class and the incredible likelihood that the Patriots' postseason will last through National Signing Day. Give O'Brien credit for walking into a firestorm -- good luck finding many people willing to lead a scandal-plagued program with a temporary Athletic Director and an unstable administration -- but he needs to get to work. With the fanbase so united in its distaste for this hire, O'Brien can't afford to stay in New England any longer. Not to completely minimize O'Brien's role with the Patriots, but Bill Belichick and Tom Brady will find a way to manage. He needs to be reaching out to current and former players, recruits, the Pennsylvania media, and others closely associated with the University.

A large segment of Penn State fans were going to be against any new head coach who wasn't bumped up from the previous staff. That was inevitable, even if Joe Paterno retired under the most benign of circumstances. An outsider with no Penn State ties that nobody really wanted, who complicates matters by not getting to work right away? It's a recipe for complete disaster before the train can even get out of the station, especially if the new coach continues to chase a Super Bowl ring instead of packing his belongings for Happy Valley and getting to work. As Bill O'Brien is apparently about to find out, just because Bill Belichick isn't grimacing over your shoulder, coaching major college football isn't a part-time job.

Join us below the jump for the reactions of the Black Shoe Diaries staff:

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Kevin Powers (@thefolkist): I’ll start with what I like: He’s young. He’s an offensive mind and has a shallow but diversified background. We may someday audible. But there are too many things than make me shift uncomfortably in my chair. He openly said he prefers the NFL to college. He has no ties to the program or the state. His ability to hire a staff is a complete unknown, which is especially important since he’s a flight risk starting the day his hire is announced. All in all, this feels a lot like a dejected search committee doing their best to stick to some kind of no-ties-allowed mandate that came from somewhere. He may in fact succeed -- I hope he does, obviously -- but this hire plays to none of Penn State’s strengths and doesn’t solve for the long term stability of the program.

Mike Pettigano (@mikepettigano): I'd be lying if I said this sounds like a great hire. But what should I have expected from all of this? The entire debacle has been one big scramble, from the night Paterno was fired, right up until O'Brien was hired. O'Brien might turn out to be a good hire for Penn State. There are enough good players on the roster to win 8 games, as long as the new staff doesn't actively mess things up. However, what's there to go off of? I'm not a big fan of Bill Belichick, but I'm not sure how much he's rubbed off on O'Brien in the few years he's been with the Pats. As for the football production, yes, he's done a good job with the Patriots' offense. He also has Tom Brady throwing the ball. I'm sure if you took every positive aspect from all three Penn State quarterbacks, mashed them together, then eliminated every negative aspect, you still wouldn't have Tom Brady.

They say the NFL is rough for college coaches; but not enough can be said about making the opposite transition. Penn State is no kiddie pool. Happy Valley is the ocean at high tide. It can sweep your feet from under you and pull you down. I'm not sure O'Brien knows what he's getting into. Then again, I'm not sure anyone in the Penn State administration knows what they're doing, either. I hope O'Brien is a successful head coach. Even if he leaves in four or five years (if he even lasts that long) with a few 9-win seasons and a bowl victory over another BCS-AQ school, that should be considered a successful hire.

Peter Gray (@runthedive): After cooling down from last night, I need to see what kind of staff O'Brien puts together, especially if he's going to try to pull double duty for the next month. I don't think I'm wrong in thinking Bill Belichick does not give a damn about our recruiting, so he probably won't be overly generous in allowing O'Brien time away from Patriots business. But the most pressing question for me is what the hell took so long? If Joyner knew early on that this was the only type of hire that was available, why drag it out for so long? And maybe a better question, why act like a smug know it all whenever someone asked about it? He gave himself zero margin for error, and it looks like he exceeded it.

Tim Aydin (@happyhourvalley): I got into a heated argument last night on Twitter with a couple old friends about the hire. They feel the offense should look a lot stronger, which is true, but that isn't saying much, considering what a giant clusterfuck the offense has been in recent times. Not to mention, there's no Tom Brady on PSU's roster (and few offensive playmakers, for that matter). And be honest with yourself: If Brady Hoke, Urban Meyer, and Bill O'Brien walk into the same recruit's living room, what are the odds that said recruit chooses the very latter?

The only redeeming factor in this hire would be if a few of the defensive coaches are kept on, particularly LJ and Vanderlinden, which should help keep the wheels on the current recruiting class. I really hope O'Brien proves me dead wrong, but this hire reeks of Bill Callahan at Nebraska or Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. The good news? He should only be at PSU for 3-4 years, tops.

Jeff Junstrom (@EpicTripod): As a lawyer, I want to look at this logically and in the light most favorable to Penn State. As difficult as that may be, this could end up being a good hire in the long run. Bill O'Brien's biggest downfall appears to be that no one know who the hell he is, a trait the search committee likely found admirable given the scandal they are trying to separate themselves from. Given his comments about the NFL, I can't see him staying at Penn State for more than 5 years, so if this is truly a bridge hire, I suppose we could have done a lot worse.

Galen: I'll try and not do two things A) repeat what everyone else is saying and B) string together a paragraph consisting of 200 curse words in a nonsensical order. Here goes... It'a apparent that the 'search committee' set forth to find a coach that breaks ties with Penn State. I would definitely say they succeeded if that was their main goal. This hire though begs more questions than it answers. Does the committee know something about O'Brien that the rest of the world doesn't? Because it seems like this is not a 'flashy' hire. In that light, did the more 'sexy' coaches say no and Penn State was left with the offensive coordinator of the Patriots?

The fact that the Patriots will be in the playoffs when recruiting comes to a head means the committee must have thrown in the towel on this recruiting class. I'm an optimistic guy when it comes to Penn State football so I'll let the guy at least show up on campus and hire a staff before I pass judgement but one thing's for sure: O'Brien has a very tough job ahead of him. I hope he's up to it. He'll be under a very intense microscope.

Adam Collyer (@AdamCollyer): Well, I can't say this isn't an overwhelming disappointment. O'Brien was dead last on my list of interesting NFL assistants, which puts him dead last on my list of acceptable hires. I don't know if this affirms everything ESPN has discussed about Penn State as a "toxic" place right now, but I'm extremely concerned about hiring an NFL coordinator (who apparently doesn't have much to do with the gameplanning of his own team and would prefer to be an NFL head coach) and a career college position coach/coordinator with no head coaching experience. This is a failure on every level for Dave Joyner and Ira Lubert. Still, I'll attempt to give Bill O'Brien the benefit of the doubt. He's our coach and deserves our support. But there's no good will here right now like there was for Paterno. Start regularly going 8-4 or worse and you can show yourself out.

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Yeah, good write up

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Thanks, Chris.

"The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps."

by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Very well done guys.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Excuse me while I put out this grease fire

With my stream of justice. That scenario only happens when you’re drunk. Therefore, I think it’s safe to assume that Joyner has been on an 8 week bender. Talk about your all time worst hangovers.

Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?

by psuphysicist on Jan 6, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Well,

He’s better than Jim Caldwell. I think.

by PSU Mudder on Jan 6, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

Based on what?

Caldwell has at least been a head coach at the college and NFL level. He gets a bad rap because of the Colts current season…..but who really thought the Colts would contend without Manning. At least now they get Andrew Luck!

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Caldwell...

gets a bad rap because he’s a terrible coach.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 6, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Caldwell

Actually did a decent job at the college level as a positional coach, something O’Brien did not do, so much.

I say Caldwell is a bit more likely to succeed here than O’Brien.

by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I have agreed with you twice today M1EK

Damn.

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm still hoping and praying.

This is all because of you and WorldBFat on Wiki yesterday.

"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."

by mvrck on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha what if it was!

I’d demand drinks from all of you.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

If it is we have won the internets for life

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I watched Caldwell..

coach the Colts. He was terrible. He was also terrible at Wake.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 6, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

My opinion is based on his personality

His resume and PSU ties are great, but the man is a walking zombie. He would get killed by Urban on the recruiting trail. For better or for worse, O’Brien is at least reportedly a bit feisty.

by PSU Mudder on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm interested in the introduction.

That will say a lot about who he is.

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by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

the one saving grace for Lubert and Joyner.

I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN

by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Barf!!!

Anyone who is an alum on this site……needs to fire anyone on the current BOT they can. They have handled every facet of the Sandusky scandal, Paterno firing and quite potentially the hire of the Paterno successor in the worst possible manner. I only hold out hope O’Brien is not the guy based on the fact that ESPN (who looks only for ratings) broke this story with two unnamed sources from the NFL. They also acknowledged another source had indicated that no deal was done. Joyner is supposed to meet with Short and others today and I hope they light into his candy ass! This article should be linked to this story:
http://bwi.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1315395

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

No doubt that will happen

I’m confident none of the alum-voted board members will win their next election. Normally, there isn’t much attention on board elections, but there will be now and there’s no doubt that the people who are mad will turn out in droves. I don’t see a constituency that supports them.

Is there a recall process in the rules? I don’t know. I’m not an alum. I’ve supported PSU my whole life because I grew up here and my parents worked for PSU but I can’t vote.

I’m not sure about the governor appointed seats. I can’t see Corbett shaking things up since he’s married himself to the current board’s decisions. If he gets voted out in two years, the new governor might turn over some seats but that’s a long time from now and I don’t know if it’s going to help. Governors all tend to pick the same kind of boring rich lawyer types, don’t they?

There’s a case to be made for totally reforming the composition of the board and who gets to pick how many seats, etc, but I imagine only the board can do that so it’s a Catch 22.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Vote in this gentleman if you hate the BoT

Dale A. Lehman, PE, CFM
Vice President

Graduated with a BS in Agricultural Engineering in 81, MS in Agricultural Engineering in 83, also served on College of Engineering Industrial and Professional Advisory Council for Agricultural and Biological Engineering Department, was President of Phi Mu Alpha music fraternity, was in Blue Band and Symphonic Wind Ensemble and a member of Parmi Nous.

Not trying to jack the thread, but I posted some info and my plea on this fanpost a week ago, http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/12/29/2669063/board-of-trustees-vote, and it certainly still seems relevant, thanks Board…

Joseph Vincent Paterno may not be the BOT's head coach, but he is still MY Head Coach!

by wek5000lion09 on Jan 6, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Does Joyner live in a cave? Name me one Pats coordinator who’s been a successful head coach? Oh wait, that’s right. You can’t.

Being the head coach at Penn State is not a part time job. Either pack your bags for Happy Valley right now or don’t bother coming. I’m sure the Evil Empire will find a way to soldier on without you.

God, this sucks.

by michellemtsu on Jan 6, 2012 10:53 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions   1 recs

Just because other Pats coordinators weren't successful doesn't mean he can't be

I don’t know if he will be, but he could be.

But yeah, get the hell to work.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Nick Saban and Kirk Ferentz both come from the Belichick coaching tree

So I’m reserving judgement.

I am Sandy's bitch.

Penn State Forever

by Rogue Nine on Jan 6, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This is how I hope his first press conference will go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrvkB3pK8lg

Not really, but I do hope he grasps the situation he’s in.

I agree that the issue isn’t so much O’Brien but the way that this whole thing was handled. If they’d picked O’Brien a month ago, this would all be a very different conversation right now.

On the plus side, a lot of guys who have played under O’Brien are saying good things. Apparently the third-string QB for the Browns, Lewis, played for him at Duke and attributes his success to O’Brien. Granted, Duke won only one game with him and it’s just the 3rd string for the Browns. But last time I checked, PSU doesn’t have any QB currently listed on the active roster of an NFL team and it’s hard to judge anything related to Duke football.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

That is not a ringing endorsement

I hope there are better ones

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

All the negativity

is counter productive. It’s likely to scare off recruits and potential assistants and sets O’Brien up for failure before he even gets started. For these reasons, I don’t understand why everyone is being so negative.

We (Penn State people) have the ability to define whether the hire was one to be optimistic or pessimistic about, and we chose pessimism. Why would any recruit want to come play here now? If we had chosen optimism, recruits would have been excited as well.

O’Brien will likely fail and be out and 4 years and I’m pretty sure we’ll look back and realize we never gave him a fair chance by choosing to hate him before we ever heard him speak.

by NittanyBlueHen on Jan 6, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

I was cautiously optimistic until not leaving the Pats until they get kicked out of the playoffs thing. That says to me that he’s not committed to being the head coach. And if that’s true, I don’t want him here.

I would dearly love to be wrong. But I have bad feeling about this. :-(

by michellemtsu on Jan 6, 2012 11:00 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Negativity is warranted

And so is a backlash in donations if O’Brien is the hire……Joyner and crew did not go about making this a PSU hire. They did not include the football family at all in the search……this hire needed to be someone who was openly embraced by PSU fans, alumni and most importantly former players!

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't entirely agree

It should have been a more open process, but hiring can’t be by referendum. That’s just not practical.

Bear in mind that Joyner is part of the PSU football family, so one would expect him to be more open to input from others.

Really the only candidates available from the PSU “family” were LJ and Bradley. We don’t know exactly why they were not, apparently, picked. There could be good reasons. I don’t know. But I’m afraid they were passed over simply because the board is concerned that they’ll constantly be asked about Sandusky. If that’s the case, then they really have caved in to the national media, etc. And that is sad.

On the other hand, maybe they just thought we needed an offensive mind. If LJ and Vandy are retained, I’ll be persuaded that was the case. Of course, that begs the question of why Roman or Clements weren’t hired instead, but they have less college recruiting experience, so there is that.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong....

PSU choices included Bradley and LJ from the current staff.
Al Golden and his sidekick Mark D.
Whether you love him or not Greg Schiano (better hire than O’Brien!!!)
Mike Munchak who apparently didn’t want the job.

That said if you don’t get a PSU guy at least get someone with PA roots. Tom Clements would be a much better hire as would the guy from the 49ers (yes he is from NJ…but still from out recruiting grounds and he has recent college experience with Andrew Luck). Why bring in some JO from Boston???

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't understand the obsession

with getting a PSU guy. We’ve seen schools like Alabama fail for years when sticking to guys with ties to their school. Why limit the candidate pool to just guys with ties to the school. Just find the best guy willing to take the job. As far as that goes, they may well have done so because there’s now way anyone here can say with (justifiable) confidence that the QB coach for Green Bay or the OC for the 49ers is better than O’Brien.

by NittanyBlueHen on Jan 6, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Me either.

I wanted a guy from the outside all along. Nothing against Scrap, but I felt that’s something we needed to do.

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by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Would rather win fewer games the right way. But of course, want to win them all the right way.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

This...

is something I have trouble believe when people say it. I’m not calling you a liar so please don’t take it that way. A lot of people may honestly be okay with 8-4 every year, you could be one of them.

But we’ve never really had to choose between 8-4 with graduation or national prominence without it. We’ve been spoiled. After several years of 8-4, I think some might start to waver on that one.

by NittanyBlueHen on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, I want us to win a NC badly

And it would be a shame to see us turn into a sub-par program wins wise. But that would be a lot easier for me to take than to see this program become like every other school. I went to Penn State, and I’m very proud of that. I think the ideals of the football program spill over into the overall university. And I think it’s a damn shame to try to downplay those values.

I think there are quite a few people who share my opinion on this.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

PSU has to stand for more than wins or it’s pointless. No matter how good a college football team is, it’s still just a college team. If you watch college football just to see high quality football then you’re doing it wrong. The best football is on Sunday and PA already has two pretty good pro franchises. PSU has to be different.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

We have proven over the last several DECADES

that we can win and stand for something more. It is not realistic to expect that to continue.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Al Golden re-upped in Miami. He never said he wanted the job. Neither did Munchak or Schiano, according to reports. That’s just our tough luck.

I don’t put much stock in “PA roots” but, yes Clements and Roman do look like better ideas on paper, I agree. Except Roman has very little college experience and it’s in the west while Clements has none, I believe.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

If true, that surprises me

I’d think he is at least a safer hire than BOB

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Re-upping in the current world of College Coaching means nothing

IF we wanted Al we could have had him. Schiano was not even given an interview as noted above. As for the obsession on getting a PSU…..the fact that you don’t get it is disturbing. As Brandon Short put it….PSU does stuff differently. The Joyner and the BOT is trying to erase the Paterno legacy which is so much a part of the PSU program! Disturbing!
http://bwi.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1315395

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I am very impressed with Arrington's and Short's passion and concern.

I really have to think whether or not I agree with them, but their emotion shows just how tight of a community we all are here, and what a special place Penn State really is.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Sabotaging the new HC doesn't show community, IMO

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

IT can

when the people hiring the new coach are doing everythingt hey can to dismantle the community that has been built for years, and you feel like you are trying to hold it together.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

IF he doesn't commit to us

I will not commit to him. It’s that simple. Passing over loyal people to get someone who will not commit, in ym opinion, tears apart just about every shred of the community that has been built here.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you say he's not committing to us?

With the amount of money involved, who’s to say he’s not going to get private planes and such to fly all over the place to recruit AND coordinate?

And let’s be realistic here: How many recruits in this class are going to change their minds now anyway? Some may. But that’s really a stretch. If the search committee fucked up, it was by not landing a name like Urban Meyer when he was available and allowing him to fall throught the cracks to one of our rivals. That, to me, is a colossal fuck up. More so than hiring O’Brien.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Urban Meyer,

Nick Saban, or Les Miles were never coming to Penn State.

Urban is an Ohio State guy through and through.

Nick Saban relies on oversigning, which the B1G doesn’t allow.

Les Miles isn’t going to coach in the B1G unless its at Michigan.

by 1LisHell on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I know that it's moot, and unprovable

but I have heard some pretty compelling evidence that Meyer was absolutely interested and making preparations to coach at Penn State after this season. I brought it up as a rumor I’d heard (Meyer was interested) and someone with legit insider knowledge of these things who doesn’t normally deal in rumors actually took it a step further and said it was more than just interest, but there was actual communication and handshaking, and that the week after the Sandusky indictment, Meyer actually wrote a letter informing that he was no longer interested in the job. Who knows, though.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean

how accurate have all of those “legit insiders” proved to be over the last few weeks?

So, without JoePa announcing a retirement or having put a plan in place, Urban Meyer was agreeing in principal to be the next HC? I’m calling BS on that whole concept.

by Onestatewest on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ok, more info

My source lives in Boalsburg. I joked with him about “I heard Urban Meyer bought some property near your house”. He said it was true. Not like, “yeah, I heard that too.” But “no, he really actually did.”

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If that is the case I will be thrilled

but the chances of that happening with what we are hearing seem very very slim.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Suppose...

it was one of our Coordinators who was offered a job in the NFL before the teams bowl game and he stayed with the team through that game rather than leaving right away? Wouldn’t we be praising that guy for his commitment?

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends

Is his NFL job dependent on the bodies he recruits to play for him? Plus, the NFL wouldn’t stand for that garbage. BOB’s agent must be amazing, or the hiring committee worse than imagined.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I think BOB’s agent has the BoT by the balls, which is an issue in itself and they have to go along with this if they want BOB to be the coach.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 6, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Hire carolinaeasy?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It isn't O'Brien that is dismantling the community

It’s the way he was hired. The idea that Joyner and Lubert conducted this thing by them selves, all the while being arrogant and smug aboutit is what pisses usoff.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It pisses me off too

but I’m not gonna take it out on BOB. I’ll judge him based on HIS actions and I’m not gonna call for his head the instant he does something I don’t like.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

If O'Brien is in fact THE guy,

he deserves a chance and deserves our support.

If we start going 3-9 with players who can’t spell “C-A-T” if you spot them the “C” and the “T”, then get out the flaming torches and pitchforks.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If that happens

I’ll be right there with you

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

What is your basis for that opinion?

Golden said his family likes Miami. What evidence do you have that he wanted to come here? And really, what has he done? Yeah, he made Temple no longer a doormat, but they never won the MAC and Miami hasn’t set the world on fire.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Disagree - PSU is special

If we were hiring a coach every 5, 6 years, then I agree with your referendum statement. But this is a VERY special circumstance and PSU first hire in 50 years. So yes, I do think there should have been an element of democracy / referendum.

Next time, they can do what they want. This time, they should have polled the constituents.

by BooyahPSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Still not realistic

Letting the fans decide sets a bad precedent. Teams that make decisions based on talk radio are never successful.

If Arrington and Short want a say, they can run for the board or apply for jobs at Penn State.

I know we think this is a public trust, but ultimately our only vote is with our wallets.

Having said that, I think they should have picked a more popular choice for the sake of recruiting and booster donations.

Of course, if O’Brien is a success, than all of this is moot. I disagree with Short’s comments about hiring Cael. Cael is a winner. PSU needs SUCCESS with honor. Not just honor. If we have to go outside the “family” to get it, than so be it.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I support BOB (assuming) he's our coach

But I do not support those in charge these days.

I don’t think the fans should decide, but they need to be seated at the table. Perhaps, Brandon Short could represent the former players. And you could have a representative for alumni, students, administators, boosters, donors, whatever. They don’t all need to have actual votes or equal votes, but I think it would have been prudent to include their voices in the process. Brand Short has pretty much confirmed this didn’t happen.

by BooyahPSU on Jan 6, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Somehow those constituents need to be brought into the process formally. Not just shouting from the periphery. However, isn’t Joyner a member of the letterman’s club. Doesn’t he represent the player alums somehow? He should.

But now is not the time to gripe about it. We have to hope for the best and support the guy we got, regardless of how he got here.
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by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

We know why they weren't hired...

They were part of the current regime and therefore tainted in the view of the world.

by Cock D on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not all

That’s probably part of it, but if LJ and Vany are retained, I’ll be more inclined to believe that a big part of it was wanting a fresh start on offense and a guy who might be better able to recruit and train QBs. The fact that the other two NFL guys they were looking at are also offensive guys lends credence to that hypothesis.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Being negative

is a choice here. He’s the offensive coordinator for the Patriots, not the O-Line coach for a high school. The man would have been in line for NFL head coaching gigs soon.

However, I feel like most of the people were going to be disappointed regardless of the hire, because many had convinced themselves that there was some super bowl or national championship winner out there that would end up taking the job. Based on what we know about who was interviewed, no one at that level was interested.

by NittanyBlueHen on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He would have been an NFL head coach in a year or two

And a coordinator again 2-3 years after that. Is that how it works for these NE guys?

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by kijana's acl on Jan 6, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

While we all like to think we at Penn State have morals and have high ideals, we’re not the only ones that do. I think part of what happened in this whole sordid affair is that certain people in the administration got complacent and believed their own bullshit.

A person can try to lead a noble, honorable life, but it requires constant vigilance and care and self analyzing. The minute you think you’re moral, you’re not. You always have to strive to do better.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

It didn’t have to be a PSU guy, just someone that could become a PSU guy. Maybe BOB can do that,but if he doesn’t even care enough to start coaching now, then it seems unlikely.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

BUT,

It very much looks like the PSU BOT & Joyner have been trying to disassociate themselves from what we all consider our ideals, no?

I certainly agree that non-PSUers can and do have PSU ideals. But the current administration seems to be distancing themselves from these known ideals at every possible turn.

by BooyahPSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Depends

Are your ideals the things that Paterno pushed for years – graduation rates, good behavior, etc?

Or are your ideals irrevocably attached to the actual man himself?

by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure how they've been trying to distance themselves

I’ve been pissed at the way some things have been handled, but distancing would be hiring someone who doesn’t care about academics and wins at any costs.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

That's right

I don’t see what Joyner et al are doing as “dismantling” or “disassociating” just because they didn’t pick Bradley. If PSU always picked in-house, many of our sports (all ???) would be a lot worse than they are.

Curley, whatever his sins, picked a lot of good coaches, most of whom had PSU background.

Cael Sanderson – best ever. class guy.
Guy Gadowski – perfect hire. Loves PSU. Believes in the ideals. No PSU background.
Bob Warming – could have taken Creighton to a soccer NC, but chose to try it at PSU. Loves PSU. loves the ideals.
Erica Walsh – same (but her dad went to PSU, I think).
Jeff Tambroni – coach of the year at Cornell. One inch (literally) away from a lax national title. Chose to come here because he believes in PSU and wants to be part of building a power.
Pat Chambers – results so far aren’t much, but the attitude is great. Recruiting is looking positive. No PSU ties, but he loves PSU.
Coquese Washington – same.

ETC.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps or perhaps not

The only “action” they’ve taken, other than the hire itself, that we know of is choosing not to listen to Brandon Short et al. But as much as I love Brandon Short I’m not willing to say that I know he’s right. It’s possible that Joyner and the committee were willing to listen to those guys but, for whatever reasons, just felt like they couldn’t select Bradley and therefore there wasn’t really anything more to discuss with the Lettermen. The Lettermen seem to be very entrenched on this.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

O'Brien

Had an academic scandal at GTech, that is going against out standards and ideas of a Student athlete.

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by AriesGD on Jan 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He was the a coach during the time when that scandal took place

He may not have been the head coach, but he can’t be completely unblamed.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure

Do you know the details?
It’s unlikely that he had any contact with the academic compliance people. Assistants don’t usually, do they?

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

To clarify

So you’re saying that if we used that dumb logic with respect to Bradley then why not apply that same dumb logic it with O’Brien?

That’s a fair point, but it is dumb logic, isn’t it? And the only people who really think like that – random national media types, bloggers, etc – probably won’t remember the GT thing or care about it.
Besides, it’s not child rape.

Not saying that’s the right way to see it, but I think that’s how it will be understood.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems like the BOT

has been trying to see how many wrongs make a right (Jeese’s quote I beleive). I want some damn consistency. If he is untainted from that scandel, then bradley should have been from this scandel and should have got the job.

I don’t care what others outside think.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the "grand experiment" didn't specifically mention child rape,

But I’m relatively sure Joe was anti-child rape. The grand experiment did have a hell of a lot to do with academics. This actually has a lot to do with my disinterest in Mr. BO’B.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He was OC during 2 years of that

i you’re really curious, it’s easy enough to google and old ESPN article. The summary of it is:

GT was found to have played several"star players" who were later found to have not made progress towards graduation. They vacated all wins from a period of about 7 years because of it. “Star players” makes me think some of these were offensive guys.

I’m not sure how much contact an OC would have with academic compliance people, but I think he would have some knowledge of the offensive guys grades and if hey go to class or not.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this

and note that it’s entirely contrary to everything I’ve learned from the Sandusky scandal.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

If he knew something,

he should have done more!!!!

Sorry, old habits die hard.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

ah damn you

writing this before me, and so low that I didnt see it till after i replied.

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Then why are Joyner and Erickson still there?

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, just playing devil’s advocate.

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Jan 6, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

?

It takes a long time to find a new president and new AD. This just blew up six weeks ago.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

So far a chatty kathy doll

could have handled things better than joyner.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, well Erickson isn't exactly interim at this point

If they’re going to clean house – clean house. If you ok with keeping key people because they’re awesome, keep them. But don’t come out and say we need to clean house and leave people like Joyner and Erickson.

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Jan 6, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

My negativity...

…stems from the fact that Penn State still has not any statements. So I still have a glimmer of hope that with enough alumni/booster dissent they can pull the plug on this decision. Happened at ASU at least.

I’ll start supporting O’Brien when/if he actually starts full-time at Penn State.

by sReck3 on Jan 6, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Agree with...

the anger of a lack of clarification from the school. If O’Brien is the guy, they should be shouting it from the rooftops and be proud of the choice. The PR department at Penn State is incompetent.

by NittanyBlueHen on Jan 6, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone ever think that the Patriots

might be the ones screwing things up?

“We’ll give you permission to talk, but only if conditions A, B, and C are met if you hire him”

by 1LisHell on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Boy, they sure keep screwing up then

and yet manage to do perfectly fine after each screw up.

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That wouldn't really be screwing anything up

Because Penn State is the party that had the job to offer.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

I thought the PR effort would improve following the scandal, and it has a little bit, but it needs to improve a lot more than this.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not trying to be negative

I honestly want the guy to succeed. The negativity for me comes from the apparent reality that no one higher up on the list wanted the job and that other PSU guys who did were shown the door. That just sucks.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't have to be happy

but don’t undermine him. Keep it on the DL at least for a little while and give the guy a chance.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

you dont have to like the hire at first glance

but you should wait until a press release comes out at least before you run him out of town.

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Good points

So far, my impression of him as a man and as a teacher of players is very positive. So that’s something.

We have to hope he’s like Tomlin and will win over skeptics.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

He was offensive coordinator at Duke.......

When the lost like 22 in a row! Brady makes everyone look good! Fat Charlie and the others have failed miserably as head coaches. THIS IS A HORRIBLE HIRE IF TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Tomlin...

had Dick LeBeau. That helps a lot.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

He is no Patrick Chambers.

That is all I wanted to say.

That kid who tackled Talor Battle.

by Eric Gibson on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah this is what bugs me the most. I want someone who is going to go all in from day 1. Which assuming the report is true, that he is staying with the Patriots until their season is over, then he is not all in from day 1.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 6, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah honestly this would be his best shot to win over the alumni, fans, etc.

Quit your joke Patriots job and go to work, that will go a long way. Build a relationship with your NEW team, idiot.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Fuck me, has he ever quit a job before?

You accommodate your 2 week notice obligation IF YOU CAN.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Good question

But I don’t think quitting an NFL coaching job is the same as us quitting our temp jobs at Saul Goodman’s law firm.

by snydo5976 on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough. Why?

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure....

I just wanted to fit “Saul Goodman’s law firm” into a comment, and that one was about as good as I could do.

by snydo5976 on Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I support this.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

My anger is over how this whole thing has been handled

Why wait until Saturday to make known what has already been in the press for almost 24 hrs? At this point they need to make an announcement today – whether it is confirming or denying. This saying nothing is only hurting the situation more. What are they hoping to accomplish in the next 24 hours?

Well – the Alumni Town Hall in Pittsburgh on Wednesday sure has heck got a lot more interesting!

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the Big Ten...or just lose the sweater vest.

by amandakt on Jan 6, 2012 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

Something needs to be said today

The University needs to say something TODAY about this. Agreed. Either deny it (God willing) or say that there will be a PC tomorrow and then talk to the current staff ASAP.

I’ll give them a pass for not being in front of this last night. By all accounts, this story came through NFL sources – agents, probably other GMs – and PSU can’t really control all of those people, but now is not the time to sit up in the ivory tower.

I feel for Erickson. He’s a friend of some friends of mine and I know he’s still not used to being in the public eye. He needs to hire some people that, you know, know how to use the internet and have some concept of how media works in 2012.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he needs to step aside

for someone who could handle the job.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

In time...

It takes a long time to hire a new president and an interim person usually doesn’t have much clout. They needed somebody who could take over now with the full support of the board. It’s just the crapness of the whole situation.

I suspect he’ll do it for another year or two at most.

Erickson is a quality guy, he’s just more of an academic type. He doesn’t have much experience with sports, although he does support them.

Joyner needs to step down. I understand why they needed an acting AD asap, but now is time for a real professional.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't they remove his interim tag?

Doesn’t seem like they are looking for a new guy? If Ericksson is just an interim guy taking the ehat, I would respect him more. But if we think this is the next actual leader….oh god.

Joyner should be run out of the state, west virginia style.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep, Erickson is the permanent guy

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

They took away the tag

but not the intent. They felt that in this time of distress the president needs more power and clout and shouldn’t be limited by the “interim title”. But I’m pretty sure they’ll be ramping up a national search in the next year. These things take time and really should be done in a deliberate manner.

by PSU Mudder on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean,

Take 2 months and hire Earnest P. Worrell?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Gordon Gee

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not quite

They removed the interim tag to show him more support but he doesn’t have a contract yet, and I have it from good sources that he doesn’t plan to stay long.
That makes sense. If he’s planning to shake things up in the administration – especially the PR ops and so forth, he’s needs authority. Nobody listens to interim bosses.

Joyner on the other hand is explicitly interim, which suggests they do plan to replace him sooner rather than later.

If they still haven’t started a search in two years, then we’ll know different.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Texas Style . . .

I don’t even remember what this is. I just remember Kirk Douglas using the term adamantly in an old western.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Then he shouldn't be our president

If he can’t handle the responsibilities that come with the job.

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Jan 6, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to hate Joyner...

but this coming from HBeach makes me think differently.

by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 6, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Good words, beach

Very nice to know you trust Joyner’s instincts.

Sorry if you’ve weighed in on this before, but have you ever met / interacted with Ira Lubert?

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

no

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

comment culling again I see

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

ha, nah

Just my fucked up memory.

I gotta get off this Ira Lubert kick. Go get some lunch or something.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

ha! It might

It really worked last time.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

He said...

only like twice a year, jtot.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

ha, yeah that was the revisionist version iirc

The OP asserted something more manly, like ‘all the time’ or something.

Ok, that’s enough of my commenting on beach’s sex life…and now I suppose hot dogs are off the menu for lunch ;)

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said.

I’m hoping O’Brien understands what it means to be a Nittany Lion. And graduation rates are a key factor here.

Totally, totally agree with your last paragraph.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Your Ideas Are

intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Since I don't have a coherent arguement to make, or a wiseass comment...

I’ll just say: thank you for this.

Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®

by leeharvey418 on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I get why you are mad with Arrington/Short

But I have to admit, I kinda like the fire in their responses more so than being passive. Although I agree they are being too exreme right now, I like the thought behind it more than what you are saying..

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

understood

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I am glad/hope you took that as respectful

because I was trying to be. I do respect your opinion.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

I like their passion, but they need to calm down.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Or...

Give me 32 wins and an 80% graduation rate over the next 4 years and then bolt for the NFL leaving LJSR in line to be the next head coach…

by eternalpessimist on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I really hope

your optimistic reading is right. But if BOB really did completely blow Joyner away in an interview, just coincidentally after the ‘home-run hires’ kept saying NO, and we finally got down to the 28th guy on the list,

then we’re a lot luckier than I think we are.

by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

How does graduation rates work?

Does the palyer have to graduate from Penn State or can they graduate from any school? Assuming Devlin graduated from Delaware, did that positively or negatively affect the grad rate?

What I am getting at is IF a lot of players transfer, would the 80% be possible?

Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.

by psupride on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

not sure

I think Devlin graduating from Del counts towards our grad rate though

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly (and I may not be)

Players need to be in good standing when they leave. Meaning that if a player transfers, or leaves early for the NFL, it doesn’t count against the grad rate as long as they were on track to graduate.

However, this is just something I remember hearing, so if someone else has a better idea, please correct me.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I know Dr. Joyner.....

He worked on both of my knees. I used to have tremendous respect from him until the BOT acted in the manner they did with firing Joe. Even if they decided it had to be done there was a correct way to do and they Failed miserably. Joyner and Suey being former players should have demanded more from the BOT if the termination was deemed necessary. I have not met Coach O’Brien but a close friend of mine played for him at Duke. He was not a fan. That said he may in fact be a good coach….we don’t know. Was he the best available option IMO…No. As for Lavar and Short……whether you agree with them not I think they are rightly disturbed that no PSU letterman….outside Joyner were included in the search. I am glad they are speaking their mind as that is their right as alums.

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, Bradley is from Johnstown

He might talk like he’s from the ‘Burgh, but he’s from a much, smaller, less-employed and depressing place.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, I know

He recruited the Pittsburgh area for years, and Short and Lavar are/were “his guys”

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You say Dr. Joyner is a worldly man

as if worldliness is necessarily a good thing. Worldliness might lead one to rationalize things like selling memorilbilia and oversigning. Just sayin’.

Didn’t Paterno say “where’s a kid going to go if he wants to be an idealist?”

Joe Paterno Apologist

by Joe 96alum on Jan 6, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

My wordly comment

is in regards to being able to step outside the PSU circle in this instance and knowing what needs to happen. I feel we had to outside PSU for this hire, and I think whoever made the hire needed to be able to think outside the PSU world for a moment, and I think Joyner was the right guy for that job. Did he rub people the wrong way? Apparently. But we needed someone to not give a f*** for a moment about rubbing people the wrong way. Joyner is certainly also in touch with PSU core values. So I’m not worried about oversigning and crap like that.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have loved for people to not give a fuck about others before

you know they caved to public pressure, fired joepa, apologized for crimes we didn’t commit, etc.

that would have been the time to find a nutsack. hiring outside the community for shits and giggles doesn’t sound like having guts to me, it sounds pretty damn pathetic.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you about the Joe firing

it was messy, and doesn’t seem to have been handled very well. But I think Joe not being on the sidelines the last 3 games was necessary.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree with that

but can understand the logic. And if that is the stance, to do it the manner it was done is unforgivable and I will never have any respect for anyone who was associated in any way with it, and didn’t speak out against it. Joyner is scum for that alone.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

Everything about Paterno’s exit was wrong, but he could not have coached those last three games.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this

I didn’t at the time but there is no way he could have led the team and not been a distraction those last games. There was a much better way to handle it. As for BoB, my biggest complaint is the not being here at this critical juncture for recruiting. Does he really respect the job and school because letting a recruiting class that is decent just go to shit does not reflect long term commitment to me.

I just read.

by BMAN13 on Jan 6, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

My anger with Joyner is now aimed purely at how he's handled this hire for the last 24-ish hours, at least

I’m fine with O’Brien, he comes from a strong academic background and working with Brady and the Patriots won’t hurt his recruiting. We’ll see how he is as a coach and a person.

I’m angry with Joyner because he has left all of Penn State hanging for almost an entire day now, and maybe it’s been longer than that. Bradley and the players should have been the first to know a decision was made, they should have known FAR before ESPN did. The moment after the handshake was made, he had to have had a phone in his hand calling a meeting with everyone to fill them in. It is so disrespectful for him to just leave these players and coaches who have already gone through so much and given so much these last two months hanging. All you have to do is pick up the phone, and he’s had far too long to do it and hasn’t. He’s made no effort to control this narrative, that’s why he needs to go and be replaced by someone capable of the job.

I am Sandy's bitch.

Penn State Forever

by Rogue Nine on Jan 6, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks hbeach

We just have to give whoever gets this job a chance. It’s a terrible job right now. You’re following Joe paterno, the fan base is pissed at Joe’s treatment, we may still get additional punishment, you don’t know who the permanent AD will be. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people steered clear of this.

If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.

by PaJoe on Jan 6, 2012 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Apropos of nothing:

I get extremely pissed whenever they show Bob Kraft groggily celebrating a Pats touchdown on TV.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Why is he always so groggy?

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Heavy medication?

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, he's just dehydrated

Dehydration makes you very groggy.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He should liquefy money

and drink it.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That all the mind control chemical

that go into paper money can’t be good for you. Not to mention the trace amounts of crack.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I'm excited that this has finally come to an end.

If O’Brien is the guy, then we have to rally around him if he’s our coach. He’s ours now. Going against him and not accepting him before he even does anything is counterproductive to what the program and university needs.

Who’s to say he can’t recruit right now? Say New England lights the scoreboard up in their first playoff game and O’Brien is interviewed afterwards. One of the questions he WILL be asked about is Penn State. So he can say to a recruit via TV “See what we just did today on offense. We plan on doing that at Penn State.” He can say he game planned for Tom Brady. He can use this as a selling point. And I said before we may have to sacrifice one recruiting class in order to get the right man.

So what if he hasn’t been a head coach before? Where did Joe Paterno head coach before he was named the head coach at Penn State? Nowhere. And you see what that got us: The greatest coach of all time. And believe me, Joe was the greatest college coach of all time. 409 wins. 2 MNCs (who knows how many he would have had had there been a playoff. Probably enough to have renamed college football “Paternoball” and renamed Saturday “JosephVincentday”). Players who graduated. Became doctors and lawyers. Who the fuck was Urban Meyer before he landed in Florida? Coached Utah. Big deal. You have to start somewhere. And also, look at Mike Tomlin: What did he do in his second year as Steelers coach? Win a Super Bowl. Went back again in his fourth year. There are a lot of talented people in this world in all fields who deserve a chance. With the exception of coaching here for 40+ years, who’s to say O’Brien isn’t the second coming of Joe Paterno? He did graduate from Brown, after all.

Lastly, I’m ready for a change. 30 years of practically the same offense. With scholarship limits and such now, we can’t just stockpile talent and overwhelm people. Those days are over. We are so predictable. Maybe O’Brien will run an offense where we use the tight end at the goal line as opposed to 4 straight runs up the middle. Maybe we’ll run quick slants over the middle behind a blitzing defense. Maybe we’ll get lockdown corners and safeties so we can blitz and disrupt people. Maybe this is a coach who WILL play the people who deserves to play, and not just an upperclassmen.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Paterno

was a very successful assistant at a major college for a long time before becoming a head coach. You might have heard of the school he worked as an assistant at.

by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Paterno was pretty much being groomed for this job years before he took it over.

He also was a hell of a recruiter in his younger, assistant days. Major, major difference.

by mleepsu08 on Jan 6, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

This is awesome, and entirely true.
As for the football production, yes, he’s done a good job with the Patriots’ offense. He also has Tom Brady throwing the ball. I’m sure if you took every positive aspect from all three Penn State quarterbacks, mashed them together, then eliminated every negative aspect, you still wouldn’t have Tom Brady.

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by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Math

I’m pretty sure when you actually calculate the result of that equation, you end up with some kind of anti-matter quarterback.

by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm very intrigued by Nate Bauer's tweets about the verbal exchanges

between Brandon Short & Ira Lubert. Why? Umm, well because it’s the only fucking thing we’ve heard about Ira Lubert since the search committee was named 6 weeks ago.

Short (cont.) “… the booster culture in which those guys are trying to create at Penn State.”

Short (cont.) says fans “smarter than that. (PSU) has never been all about winning and (fans) will not accept…”

Short on ‘booster culture’ says Joyner/Lubert think, “if they hire a big name coach (O’Brien) they’re going to put fans in the seats.”

Short, “LaVar Arrington put a petition for the players on his Facebook site and got 100 guys in two days.”

Short, " He mentioned that if I got 100 guys on a list saying they support Tom Bradley, that would have some sway with the committee."

Said Short, “I mentioned that I was having a conversation with close to 200 guys and Ira said, Where’s your list?”

Should be noted that Ira Lubert asked Brandon Short to produce list of players supporting no one but #PSU guy to ‘sway’ committee.

’Where’s your list?’ Gawd, I wanna hear more from Brandon Short on what it was like interacting with that guy.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

I'm sorry, but I don't think Bradley is the guy.

Unfortunately, I think the entire staff (and I’m all for keeping LJ and Vandy, but sadly, I think they have to go too) has to go in order to put this whole Sandusky mess (and did you fucking hear that, ESPN, SANDUSKY MESS, not Joe Paterno mess) behind us. Whenever this thing goes to court and any new allegations come up, any coaches connected to this staff are going to be caught up in it. And, I’m just throwing this out there as a possibility, and I’m not saying it is, but what if it winds up being proven Bradley or somebody else on the staff knew what was going on and that becomes know. Then we’re right back where we are now.

With a new coach and an entire new staff, any questions regarding the Sandusky scandal can be answered simply, repeatedly, and truthfully: I don’t know. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I wasn’t here at that time.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't even care about that part

I care that somebody is on record as having spoken to one Ira (middle initial) Lubert.

About the Penn State football coach position.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I knew a guy from Greencastle named Ira Crooke

and he sold used cars. great name I R A Crooke, parents must have been stoners

I just read.

by BMAN13 on Jan 6, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Greencastle

Figures.

/eyes notcarlotta suspiciously.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

When you say "Bradley is not the guy"

and then mention Sandusky in the same paragraph, you lose me. EVERYONE IS NOT GUILTY. By the way, it’s approaching noon on the east coach and according to Nittany Rich, neither Larry Johnson or Tom Bradley have been told anything by Penn State. That is pathetic.

When you put those black shoes on tomorrow, and you put on that jersey without your name on the back, and you put that plain helmet on, that's tradition. Penn State tradition!

--Who else?

by run4peach on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Why is everyone so upset???????

This is the architect of the ‘05-’06 Duke offense. That’s a squad, if you remember, that almost beat Wake Forrest twice. Bring it.

by tzuker on Jan 6, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

This is true

I feel I’m playing the “I’m being more rational than all of you” guy right now. I don’t like that.

FIRE SOMEONE.

There. Better.

by speedomike on Jan 6, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No your not

You are twitching out over your new found wikipedia prophecy skills.

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Calmer than you are, dude.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm only pissed because I showed up to work and the entire internet was blocked

because we have idiot IT people that didn’t realize when we moved our e-mail to “the Cloud” that having every e-mail use the internet it might just saturate our network that only has one external fiber optic connection fo 4000 employees.

I just read.

by BMAN13 on Jan 6, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone needs to chill out.

Whether we like it or not, Penn State is absolutely toxic right now.

If you’re a parent with no bias towards Penn State, you’re likely raising an eye-brow if a guy like Tom Bradley, who spent decades by the side of Jerry, is coming in to your house to recruit your son. People are ignorant and they don’t know the facts; I get it. And imagine if Tom Bradley’s name even so much as comes up in court next fall, it would mean a complete meltdown at PSU… Again.

I’m not crazy about the hire, but what high profile coach, who could go just about anywhere, would want to A) replace Joe Paterno (the saying goes don’t be the man to follow “the man”, right?), B) go to a university with uncertainty surrounding the president and the AD, and C) is mired in one of the most horrific scandals of all time… ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

If this guy if good, good. We win and everyone eats their words. If he’s not, what did you expect? If you pictured Penn State football just returning to form within one year of the scandal then you’re drowning in Kool-Aid.

by HorseKick2008 on Jan 6, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Nothing I have ehard from non-psu people

in real life leads me to think that the school or football team is toxic.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Even so

Even if you are right (and you probably are), BOB was not the best choice. Lots of good coaches out there have (1) head coaching experience; (2) would prefer college over the NFL; and (3) would be willing to quit their current job to start at PSU. We don’t know if BOB will be a good coach or not, but we know he fits none of these three criteria. So, in my opinion, the hire is an epic fail.

Of course, why should we be surprised? Since the day PSU found out its head football coach received a subpoena to appear before a criminal grand jury, PSU has failed in everything related to this. That’s because PSI is not a football program, a “tradition,” a “mystique,” or even the equivalent of an NFL franchise. It is a massive institution led by a board of 47 members capable only of groupthink and engaged in an effort to protect its taxation-dependent budget. It is, in effect, an arm of the state government. From the moment PSU fired/suspended the leaders of the football program and placed the BOT in charge of all things football, you knew how this would work out. If you don’t, go re-watch the movie Brazil.

by Desert_Eagle on Jan 6, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll give you one.

Tom Bradley.

Joe Paterno Apologist

by Joe 96alum on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

was not going to happen

If it was going to be Bradley or anyone on the staff wouldn’t you think it would have been done already

by jetskijoe on Jan 6, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

correct

this hire had to be outside

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Only because

The Board made a decision, either intentionally, or via doing nothing, that anything Penn State pre-November 7th was wrong and evil. not just JS, not just Joe, but anyone and anything. And I wholeheartedly believe that.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Could you please explain why?

Other than the media for a week or two, I don’t get this argument. Why couldn’t Joyner have grown a spine told ESPN to f***off if they didn’t like it? He wasn’t involved in this mess, and very well may have been the best candidate.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

And let me preface this list with saying that a response of “that guy sucks” or “BOB is better than that guy” is nonresponsive. I’ll give you a list of coaches that meet the three criteria I set out, and that therefore, would be better hires right now. We don’t know how good BOB might be: he might crash and burn, he might go into the collegiate hall of fame. But that is also true of every name on this list. What we know RIGHT NOW is that BOB has never been a head coach, openly prefers an NFL coaching job, and doesn’t have the commitment to come to State College right now to begin getting recruits in line.

-All 113 other FBS head coaches
-All of the FCS head coaches
-All Division II head coaches
-All Division III head coaches
-Doug Martin
-Kevin Steele
-Jim Knowles
-Paul Johnson
-Al Groh
-Mike Locksley
-Jim Ried
-Brian Knorr
-Phil Bennett
-Dana Dimel
-Del Miller
-Mike Stoops
-Don Brown
-Mark Snyder
-Ken O’Keefe
-Gary Nord
—yeah, I could keep listing them.

Did the PSU search “committee” talk to all of these folks? No. Any of them? If they did, it doesn’t seem like it.

by Desert_Eagle on Jan 6, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Kevin Steele lol he was hospitalized wednesday because of blood pressure problems. His BP was 70/33 LOL

Paul Johnson? You think people get pissed about the offense now? LOL

I understand your point, but just stop trying.

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

Since it’s clear I have made the point.

by Desert_Eagle on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We may not get some recruits this year...

but maybe we start getting some quality JUCO tranfers. I personally like the hire. He’s young, savvy, and has designed a prolific offense in NE. It would be nice to have a prolific offense at PSU. I’d be lying if I said I didn’t want Petersen but since that isn’t happening I am somewhat intrigued by this hire and welcome it. I am looking forward to the 2012 season to see what he can do. I bet you he will do 100x better than what Tom Bradley would ever do. I cannot even believe ex-players want Scrap as coach. It’s time to move on!

by mtibus on Jan 6, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Umm...
and has designed a prolific offense in NE

Whatever. I don’t believe this for a second.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

We all know Belechik designed that offense

And Brady runs it. So remind me again, what O’Brien did?

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

As a Pats fan,

the idea that his presence is needed in the playoffs is laughable to me.

Leaders Co-Champions

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

He needs to stay

Because a super bowl ring will look good when he looks for a head coaching job in 3 years.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I have nothing against O'Brien.

But there is no way he is the architect of that offense. The playbook is mature and has been for awhile. They have essentially been running the same offense for a decade. There is a reason the Pats don’t miss a beat offensively when the O-coordinators are out the picture.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Until this is announced, anything surrounding

it is hearsay – including B.O’B staying with the Patriots through the playoffs. Sure, Chuckwagon Charlie set a precedant, but I am hopeful that was a protectionist statement and wil prove to be flase.

He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu

by rahpsu92 on Jan 6, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Well

In this link , Kraft says O’Brien has accepted the job but will stay with the Pats through the playoffs. Which includes the huge recruiting weekened.

Leaders Co-Champions

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Shaking my head.

And I’ll continue to do so every time I hear that he is staying in NE through the playoffs.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point this is pissing me off more than anything.

This makes no sense.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Exactly.

I want commitment from whoever is chosen, and I will follow him.

Without commitment he can suck it.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Made me think of Braveheart

“Now tell me, what does that mean to be [Penn State’s football coach]? Your title gives you claim to the [a great position], but men don’t follow titles, they follow courage. Now our people know you. Noble, and common, they respect you. And if you would just lead them to freedom, they’d follow you. And so would I.”

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't you get it? This is how it has to be.

Anyone who would be excited by this job supports child molestation

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And

Anyone who went to Penn State or supports Penn State supports child molestation

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

You use the sarcasm font

But I’ve had a co-worker or two actually say this. Not sure if it was just them trying to get under my skin, or if they really believed it. Regardless, I had to walk away or I very well may have gotten myself fired.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Talking to you anyone who isn’t a fan of PSU just leads to anger in most cases.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

People who actually think like that are complete and total fucking idiots.

I can understand your having to walk away lest somebody get lit up. Nobody has ever actually said something that stupid to me, and I hope they don’t. The meltdown and tantrum could be frightening.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never gotten into a real fight in my life

but if I head something like that I think fists would have started flying

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If people are honestly saying this to you at work.

Bring it up with PR. That is grade A workplace harassment.

"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."

by mvrck on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you made a mistake and meant HR.

But if you really read that the way its written, it looks like you want them to shout from the mountains that their employees think PSU alums are all child molesters. which is also funny

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The main person who has said these things

Is actually kind of a friend of mine. As such I think he’s mostly just trying to get under my skin and I’m a lot more inclined to just tell him to knock it the fuck off, rather than going to HR,

The rest are usually not things aimed at me, but rather me overhearing other peoples conversations.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes Yes and Yes

To everything you said about getting to work NOW!

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Support the new coach

As someone with over 700 NLC points I have this to say. Remember Joe had no head coaching experience when he took over, so I’ll give O’Brien a pass on that. BUT if he does not hit the ground running with both feet on Saturday, then while I will continue to support the team I will not donate another penny to the school/athletic department. I can buy tickets on the street for less than face value for any game I attend.

by bluebellgolfer on Jan 6, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

My outrage is two fold.

1) Why have no statements been released? Seriously. What possible good could come from the delay? If you’re still drawing up papers, it’s okay to still put out a release and say, “hey, we have a tentative deal but are still ironing out the details.” The current players and coaches don’t need to find out this way.

2) The fact that O’Brien plans to finish out the year with NE. You want the respect of the fan base? Get your ass on campus yesterday and hit the recruiting trail and try to salvage some of this disaster we call a recruiting class. It’s hard for us to accept you when you’re coaching in NE.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

If BO’B were to walk out on the Patriots at the beginning of the playoffs, how many people would be holding that up as an example of how he has no honor or integrity?

by wclion11 on Jan 6, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It's worse...

To sign with a college knowing that recruiting is the key to future success, yet there is a real possibility you’re still at your old position when recruiting ends, without ever having a chance to pull in players. Just doesn’t make sense.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I think I would think LESS of O'Brien if he walked out on NE now.

Granted, as a Steelers fan I totally despise the Pats, but I think you finish what you start. And when New England is done, I expect O’Brien to THEN be on the first available plane to State College.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I get it

but I disagree. We’re not talking about a Petrino-like bolt in the middle of the night. He isn’t the HC. And the NFL is a business.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

But even still, he did make a commitment and he has responsibilities.

Look, I’m not saying his not being here right away isn’t going to hurt this class, but right is right. And you honor your commitments and finish what you start.

If anybody should be blasted, then it’s Joyner and Ira for not finding someone who was available right away. But then again, after the interview, maybe they felt O’Brien was the man for the job and that they had better get him NOW. And maybe they also reasoned (and who knows) we can afford to lose one recruiting class if he is the man and that’s what it takes to get him.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I did once

well, it was more I was “asked politely to leave”. And by that I mean I was escorted out by security. And by that I mean I was tazed and thrown out the back door while unconscious. But yeah, I was able to leave right away.

I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN

by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah it's no big deal

Honestly though quitting a job for a good reason is the best. You feel like a living god.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I was just confused. And cold from my urine soaked pants.

I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN

by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't he do both?

This part of the issue is not clear. It’s only been reported in rumors.
He could, Charlie Weiss-style, be recruiting for us while wrapping things up in NE.

After all, coaches have to recruit while coaching their teams full-time. It’s good practice.

But it is another reason to hope the Steelers can knock the Pats out of the playoffs.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If he does this

it will alleviate some of my concerns. It still isnt’ ideal, but it’s better than doing nothing.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

During his lunch breaks?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe...

The plan was “recruit offense on lunch breaks” and "recruit defense… Hell, I can’t even make those awful defenses into a joke right now. DAMN YOU BOB!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he will definitely be doing this. I know there are a lot of lunch break jokes to be made about Charlie Weis, but if an OC was calling to recruit my son during his break of planning for an NFL playoff game I would be pretty excited.
Unless of course it was Charlie Weis, because he’s a fat jerk and would probably have his mouth full during the conversation.

by wclion11 on Jan 6, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Its not a joke

He was given permission by Belichick to recruit during his lunch breaks.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The Coach We Have

Assuming (always a dangerous practice) that O’Brien is the new coach, I think we need to divorce him from the BoT/Lubert & Joyner cabal. He’s a 42 year old career assistant coach who was just offered the job of a lifetime. He deserves a chance to succeed and/or fail on his own merits, not based upon the idiocy of the search process.

As to some of the concerns, they are understandable. Some have expressed concerns that he might be looking to the NFL at some point, leaving us in the learch. That’s valid. But, I recall reading that Joe Paterno was going to coach for a few years and then go to law school. After 46 years as HC, I hope he’s updated his LSAT score.

As to his staying with the Pats through their playoff run, my position is one of respect. Think about it, what is the key component of Paterno’s legacy? Honor. Coach O’Brien is getting his shot to be an HC at one of the premier college football programs in the country. He is realizing a dream. Yet, he is putting that dream on hold for a few weeks to honor a committment he made to the New England Patriots. He gave them his word that he would be the Offensive Coordinator through this season and he is keeping his word, despite the fact that most would understand if he left early. That, my friends, is honor and makes me feel beter about his hire.

I stated this in another post, but I want to reiterate my wishes of Good Luck and God Speed to Coach O’Brien. Welcome to the family.

by Keith Platt on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

The chin is growing on me.

Then again, Peter Griffin has always amused me…

Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®

by leeharvey418 on Jan 6, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually if you recall...

Peter’s chin was actually identified as his testicles in one of the episodes “Oh, how did they get up there?”

by irz813 on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

We tried to get Cowher

And all we got was the chin!

Good luck, Bill. I’m glad this search is over!

If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.

by PaJoe on Jan 6, 2012 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more.

I think some of the people in this post need to flip this around: Say Bradley would have been offered a job on December 15. Would you have expected Bradley to leave immediately, or wait until after the bowl game?

You can’t have two standards.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

A head coach in a bowl game is different from a cog in the machine in the NFL playoffs.

I do understand your point, but for a guy in BOB’s shoes, building relationships moving forward is his only chance to succeed.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

That's easy, for me.

The minute Tom Bradley accepts a new job, his loyalty lies with that new job. It’s not like he was coaching the national championship game.

by Chris Grovich on Jan 6, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember when I quit my last job.

Gave them as much of 2 weeks as I could (maybe 7 working days), did as much work as made sense (started no new projects), picked my butt in my office.

They understood.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

College is a little different for me

There is more loyalty to players, and the season ends before signing day. The NFL is a business with virtually no sentimentality.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently

he doesn’t feel it is the job of a lifetime, so why should I feel excited about getting him? Especially if he isn’t even here working?

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Your job of a lifetime

His is an NFL head coaching position.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

@ Chris Grovich
Dave Joyner (and Ira Lubert, behind the scenes) arrogantly conducted this search with what appeared to be no help or input from anyone else, strung along Tom Bradley and the rest of the remaining coaching staff, acted coy in the media, assured everyone that Penn State knew exactly what it was doing, let the process drag out until the very last weeks of the recruiting period, and came back to us with Bill O’Brien.

I have to say you guys have probably posted your best work here. Given all authors a chance to clearly state their piece in an organized fashion is great. And you summed up the feelings of many with your editorial at the beginning. While I have been critical of some of your work, I will say this you have handled this well.

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

And who's to say Bradley was strung along?

We don’t know what Bradley was told. We really don’t.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree very much with the process argument Grovich articulates

The process of hiring this candidate — at least from a public relations standpoint — sucked.

The product — let’s wait and see and hope for the best.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jan 6, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically...

It was a clip from First Take.

Ritchie and the other guy were arguing that nobody would want the job.

Skip basically he said that since the “slate has been wiped clean”, Penn State is still Penn State and a new coach shouldn’t have to worry about following in Joe’s footsteps because it wasn’t like Joe left on a high note.

by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for reminding me

not to listen to ESPN.

Yea, Joe didn’t leave on a high note, but he did manage to accomplish one or two small things over his 60 years.

Any coach of ours in the future has huge shoes to fill.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Huge.

And I want the next guy to fill them, and exceed them. I really do.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

e$pn boycott FTW

Glad to hear someone else is boycotting them too.

Let's Go State!

by Gopher Broke on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

There are many of us doing that

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Someday, my kids will ask me why we don't watch ESPN

It will be teachable moment.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I cancelled my cable

Really, now that PSU’s seasons is over, I don’t need it. I can watch hockey on the web.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yea last night some choad

compared the tight lipped nature of the coaching search to “business as usual” as penn state was always tight lipped about jerry sandusky.

I then flipped to NBC Sportstalk and breathed a sigh of relief. Nice to finally see another outlet in which to get sports information and analysis from people interested in doing that work instead of just promoting themselves.

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually don't think NBC has been any better

I want so badly to like it, but I just can’t stand watching it so far. And that’s surprising, because the Versus NHL coverage was so awesome.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree its not fantastic

but its scores, its highlights, its some commentary without all the fake camaraderie, its less catch phrases, more balanced and not all yankees, red sox, duke, SEC, Packers, Cowboys, Giants , Shameless Disney tie-ins.

Oh yea, and the best feature is that its not ESPN.

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They used to be my background noise

Now it’s NatGeo. I actually chose a different New Years Eve bar this year because Plan A had ESPN on.

I am Sandy's bitch.

Penn State Forever

by Rogue Nine on Jan 6, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I kind of agree...

But everyone seemed to agree that “penn state is still penn state” and its not like anyone would expect the new HC to immediately live up to Paterno in light of what’s happened.

by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

wow, if i’m hiring for an important position in the business world i think i would follow the process these guys took. the exception is if you want someone you already know and trust. i also think most comments about O’Brien are only related to his football background. i think other things play into the selection. also, you want this process to be under wraps. if everyone knew who was being interviewed it would have been much more of a circus. plus that would play into any negotiations for terms.

by ohpa on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

As upset as I am (very),

I will give O’Brien a chance (when I’m ready). In the meantime, can we please hire a real AD?

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Agree completely. If nothing else, Joyner has shown that he shouldn't be the AD

Seriously, can someone explain to me why it was ok for the board to fill all of the administrations openings with inside guys (from the BOT) but the coaching staff must be complete outsiders?

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Political move...

BOT and admin want to be “in charge.” They no longer want the football program representing the university.

by 84lion on Jan 6, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry... couldn't hear you

these pitchforks and torches I’m carrying are making a ton of noise right now.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I waited.

I saw. I don’t like it.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

does your car get up to 1.21 gigawatts?

cause none of those things have happened yet.

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been following this shit for more than two months now.

My wait and see was premised on how the coaching search/hire went. I saw, it sucked. Even if this guy is a good coach, it’s a fluke.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

He could be JoePa 2.0, but it’d be more a case of finding a diamond in a cow field than anything.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That really is true.

There is no way of telling whether this guy will actually work out or not. If he does, I don’t think you can really say it was because anyone knew he would be. It might be a great hire, but there just isn’t enough justification for it right now.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think you can really say it was because anyone knew he would be

why not? Because it doesnt fit the current narrative of “we all need to immediately hate this guy and hire?”

SO if he wins its because its a fluke, and if hes a bad coach its “I told you so”

Sounds like we should have just hired JayPa

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The point is that

If this was a toxic situation that “nobody” wanted a part of, and “nobody” could possibly succeed Joe Paterno, that doesn’t mean that “nobody” is the man for the job.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No, there is just nothing in his resume to point to be a successful college coach.

I will give them credit if it works out, but at best it is only a hunch.

and I would have rather had JayPa honestly.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If he is a good coach

I will say “he is a good coach” I dont need to praise or refrain from praising anyone but the coach.

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Penn State’s got some low self esteem

"Start playing with some jam in here"

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Does this mean

the Offensive Coordinator will be Art Vandelay and the DC will be Cartwright?

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess

we should expect Kramer to be charged with retrieving the kicking tee?

by Keith Platt on Jan 6, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't wait for LaVar to get on the air

Can’t remember the last time I really really really wanted to listen to sports talk radio

by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

Akron made a better hire than PSU

Seriously. I am not joking. I thought this was supposed to be an exhaustive search for the next coach? Didn’t Joyner say he wanted someone it to try and salvage recruits? Bottom line….If this joker was offered the job but said he will stay with NE through the playoffs the offer should have been rescinded on the spot. That’s not a rush to judgment….that is right out of the mouth of Kraft. Seriously….what did Chambers do when he was hired? Within 24 hours he was on a jet crisscrossing the country meeting with the current players and talking up the program. That is a PSU guy (kudos to him and the guys on the upset V last night btw). If this joker stays with the Pats through the playoffs he has already shown himself to be unworthy of the head coach position. I hope Lavar and Short rip Joyner’s arms off!

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Another day, another...

"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."

by MainLion on Jan 6, 2012 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Great!!!

We fired Joe freaking Paterno and got the guy fired by Tom Brady.

Black shoes, basic blues, no names, all game.

by JIMPSU on Jan 6, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

At least we have ample reason to root against the Pats.

Not that many of us need any more reasons. ;-)

by michellemtsu on Jan 6, 2012 12:00 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Awesome

I hate that organization.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

how great will it be

when they hire McDaniels to replace OBrien before he even leaves for PSU. Which will all probably happen before PSU makes its announcement.

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

O'Brien wasn't coming back. His contract wasn't being renewed.

Pats were going a different direction at OC no matter what. PSU got a guy that was getting “laid off”

I just read.

by BMAN13 on Jan 6, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that's values.

Keeping America Working.

Dave Joyner 2012.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Small Question how

did a guy who played defensive end and linebacker in college end up coaching on the offensive side of the ball, i know this is a stupid question but i was just wondering how that came to happen. How is he a defensive player supposed to have the insight needed to make one of the PSU quarterbacks any better.

by Phelomerlin on Jan 6, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

The same way Mike Tomlin was a WR at VMI and then developed into a DC before becoming the Steelers HC. Not meant to be an obnoxious answer, it’s just not uncommon for offensive players to become defensive coaches and vice versa

by wclion11 on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

sound out

it just kept popping into my head for some reason thanks for the great example, please god he ends up as good as Tomlin

by Phelomerlin on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

William and Mary

Not VMI, I think. I know someone who went to school with him.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, can’t believe I messed that up. I work with some W&M people that love him.

by wclion11 on Jan 6, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I was an olineman and TE in college and now I coach QBs

You evolve and change. The biggest things you get from being a player that will help you as a coach is credibility. Most of the other stuff I would argue is learned.

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I see it as an advantage

When you focused on beating the guys playing the position you’re now coaching, you may be more able to coach your players to avoid making mistakes you exploited yourself.

by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for putting my mind at rest about that guys

In my uneducated opinion it doesn’t really matter how good a position coaching he is himself, but it really matters how good the coordinators he brings in are and how much determination and fire he brings to trying to make the team better and his ability to carry on the traditions that make PSU as good as they are and i think he deserves the chance to show what he is capable of. That said he is not the most sparkling candidate but i can get behind him and fingers crossed he makes a hell of a head coach.

Lots of ands there and im rambling sorry my bad.

by Phelomerlin on Jan 6, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

From an outsiders perpesctive...

This could end up being a superb hire in the long run. Penn State will undoubtedly suffer in recruiting this year, but next year’s schedule is favorable. They could very well go to a BCS game. Then, Penn State has a shit-load of scholarships leftover from the previous year and can load up the 2013 class.

I’m optimistic for Penn State because I think Obrien is a smart guy and a good coach. I’m going to wait until I see who he brings in as assistants though. If he brings in a top-notch coaching staff, then this will be great for PSU long term, and you didn’t have to pay as much.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for sharing.

I’m not quite as optimistic, but I’ll give the guy the benefit of the doubt and see what he can do.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

well

hes bringing the Titans Offensive Quality Control Coach so…uh…

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That was Munchack's contribution

He felt bad for turning us down.

If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.

by PaJoe on Jan 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yeahhhh sorry about that...

here, you can take our Offensive Quality Control Coach. We totally weren’t using him anyways.

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Do they have a spare coffee table?

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

HERE’S YOUR COFFEE TABLE! I HOPE YOU ENJOY IT!

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

To think...

I thought we would all be talking about the first big win of the Chambers era today. Looks like that got derailed a bit…

by NittanyBlueHen on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

Agree with him

I understand the anger they feel toward Joyner for him not listening to the letterman. At the same time it sounds like Short and Arrington already are assuming that O’Brien is going to be the next RichRod.

by psfann on Jan 6, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

If their attitude prevails, he will be

A lot of the UM fanbase had it in for RichRod the second he was hired. He got very little help up there. That is why I have pleaded with people to not be Michigan in all of this.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I respect Michigan fans for that reaction

Not for much else, but they were right about that guy even if their AD wasn’t.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 6, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't comprehend this

Please, explain to me what you respected them for.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll take a shot at this..

Knowing that the traditions and rich history of their school meant more than any Big East flavor of the week. And they were right, they just found out the hard way.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

They never gave the guy a chance

Not all, but a significant portion of that fan base wanted RR to fail and jumped on every opportunity to attack and discredit him. That may not be the sole reason for his failure but it sure as hell didn’t help. I’ll be very sad if that happens here.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it will happen here.

Sure, most aren’t happy with the hire, but we’re going to give the guy a shot. And why? Because deep down we all know that at least the offense will get better. It can’t be worse than the cluster it was this year.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Their fan base really doesn't take enough credit

For RR’s spread offense and 1-1-9 defense.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Instinctively knowing that RichRod was a bad fit.

Arizona State should have had the same backlash towards the Todd Graham hire (or U of Arizona toward RichRod), but they’re not that plugged in to what their school stands for.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 6, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think RichRod is a bad hire for Arizona.

I bet he has some success there.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You may be right, he isn't half a slimy as Graham

But he clearly wasn’t the right fit at a school with an established culture.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 6, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're right

And sometimes that means big schools can’t get someone like Rich Rod who would truly be a bad fit, and sometimes it means they can’t get Leach or Holgorson, who would dominate everyone and melt their brains.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think they are as upset about the hire per se

as they are that it didnt go to a PSU guy, and their fear is they are straying form the PSU model. Even Brandon Short said “we may as well join the SEC”

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Huge overreaction
"we may as well join the SEC"

And not helpful.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yea maybe

but i see where they are coming from. I dont have to agree with it to understand their viewpoint.

Its not “lets join the SEC cause i hate BOB” “Its lets join the SEC cause you didnt hire a PSU guy and therefore are distancing yourself from the model of success with honor.” Is his tactic correct, maybe not. But his viewpoint is completely understandable in my opinion

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I understand it to

but it is arrogant to think only PSU guys can do things the right way. We don’t have a monopoly on success with honor.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The majority of my friends and all of my family did NOT go to Penn State

And they all got success with honor long before I set foot on campus. They may not have called it Success with Honor but they lived by it nonetheless.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

we are speaking about football programs

i admit there are people who live their lives honorably and have success. Very few FBS programs do as well

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

but it is the height of arrogance to think that Penn State and Stanford are the only programs in the country that have people that care about running a clean program.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true,

but it obviously was much lower on the priorities list. Penn State and Stanford are the only programs in the country without a major NCAA violation.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I believe it

Because athletic departments and schools are using the business model of “wins = $$$.” Nothing about running a clean program even pretends to be worth a cent. Penn State and Stanford made it work by being successful on field and off.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

you can believe that its fair

the facts dont necessarily back it up however.

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Short and LaVar are wrong.

Mostly their just pissed because Tom Bradley didn’t get the job. And to bring Cael Sanderson into it was folly. The two of them can be quiet now as far as I’m concerned.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Short seems to be mad they picked an NFL guy

A lot of his comments suggest he believes no NFL guy should get the job, because it’s just too different and he’s inferring that they hired an NFL guy because they think it’s “splashy.”

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That's it...

Until he proves himself (I’m thinking at least until halfway through the 2013 season) I will be referring to O’Brien as ‘Zazzles’.

Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®

by leeharvey418 on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't this guy a freakish TE prospect?

I guess O’Brien can sell him Gronkowski’s success this year. I think more than Brady its guys like that that O’Brien probably can actually take credit for making better.

(I’m trying to be positive…)

by phanatic's phloozies on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He even retweeted you. Kind of him

by OmarLittle on Jan 6, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. An offensive coach will utilize the tight end.

What a novel concept. I can see why a tight end recruit would be excited about O’Brien.

by Ab4PSU on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a good hope.

We’ve complained for how long that our offensive playmakers aren’t used correctly?

Really, I have two huge issues right now:

Who will be on the coaching staff?

How will he recruit while coaching the Patriots?

Everything else, really, is kind of inconsequential to me right now.

by Chris Grovich on Jan 6, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

ok wait

by “Bradly” and “TB”, did you mean Tom Brady or Tom Bradley?

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Recruiting during the playoffs

It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out. The one benefit of him continuing to coach the Pats is coverage. Jim Nantz and whoever else announces the Pats’ games will reference him and the Penn State job over and over and over again.

How it affects this class is unclear. It should definitely have a positive impact on subsequent recruiting classes, though.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It *is* double-edged.

We could have the offensive coordinator of a Super Bowl champion. I mean, that’s nice. A little late for our short-term needs, but nice.

Hell, a simple “hey Recruit, great talking to you, I have to go get ready for the Super Bowl now” isn’t so awful.

by Chris Grovich on Jan 6, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

also if he gets that ring

its kind of a big deal. It is a better selling point to say “I was OC in a Super Bowl” than “I was OC of a team that won the Super Bowl”

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Charlie Weis' 4 super bowl rings

Respectfully disagree

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Charlie Weis was a terrible coach

but a very good recruiter. His main recruiting problem was that he only went after skill position players and didn’t recruit the trench guys, but he sent a ton of guys to the NFL.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jan 6, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Was it him that was so good?

Or just Notre Dame recruits itself?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

fair question

he was able to consistently get the top rated or close to top-rated QBs in the country, and ND never was able to do that before, so I think he definitely helped.

But I think that’s true for Penn State and all colleges. The school is just as, if not more important than the coach for a lot of these kids, or at least that’s my guess.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jan 6, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It sounds silly now.

But everybody assumed that Charlie Weiss was the smartest offensive mind in the history of the world when he went to Notre Dame. He was able to hand pick offensive recruits for at least two years when he started there. It was all reputation.

We’ll see how he does at Kansas.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I was under the assumption

He wound up there because they still had all of Mangino’s sweats around, and he’d fit. Those things cost money, you know?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

he had a million recruits

I talked to a friend of mine at work today who went to ND and he said “Charlie Weis used the Pats thing a s a recruiting tool all the time and rarely missed. What sunk him was that he was just a bad coach and surrounded himself with poor evaluaters who didnt know which guys would fit in which schemes”

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I could really give a shit not about this recruiting class.

I am way more worried about restoring the longstanding legacy of PSU football…hopefully this is the first step in the process

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How do you view his staying on with the Pats?

A testiment to his committment and loyalty which should translate to his coachign here? Or a testament that he sees this job as not important enough to take on full-time while he can still build his NFL resume which will be helpful when he is looking for his next job?

I’m personally torn.

Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it

by millzners on Jan 6, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Initially I saw it entirely as a sign that he didn't take this job seriously

In literally the last 15 minutes some of the comments directly above this have sort of maybe started to sway my opinion that it might be a good thing in the long run.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don't like it, though

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

How will he assemble a staff while coaching the Patriots?

I mean, a staff could recruit for him, but you can’t assemble a staff effectively when you are an active NFL coach during the playoffs.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously though

Tight ends, slot receivers and quarterbacks have no reason not to love this hire. I mean, 1. you’re going to be used heavily if he brings any of the offensive playbook over and 2. you’re going to be used in a way that your position is used in the NFL. It’s really a plus in that regard.

People who should be excited: Devon Smith, Haplea, Belton, James, Breneman, Mornhinweg, our current QBs…

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Any WR should be happy

If teams are now worried about a serious crossing pattern game then that should free up one on one coverage on the outside and allow a true playmaker (ala Alshon Jefferies type of player) to make plays down the field. If you can vertically stretch the field & complete crossing patterns you are in business.

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If you can run the Pats offense at like 60% capability

You would absolutely destroy college defenses. I mean Holgo-level destruction with the right players in place.

Seriously, I don’t love the hire, but let’s say they run an offensive scheme similar to the Pats. Plug in a couple of capable to very good TE and teach them the routes and concepts you used with Gronk and Hernandez. Put your Devon/Belton in the slot and run your WR screens, crossing routes and other short/intermediate routes. Then put your Justin Brown types out wide and let them either go 1-on-1 with college-level CBs or draw safety help, which leaves the middle more open for the TE and slot guy. If your quarterback can get the ball out of his hand even moderately quickly with decent accuracy, you’re going to hurt people. And that’s not even mentioning use of the RB, since college D’s aren’t as able to adjust and effectively cover all the intermediate passing routes and stop the run. I like to think of this.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

important to note

he’s been the play caller since 2009, so he has 3 years of calling plays in this offense. He only because OC in 2011 because they didnt have an official one the two years prior

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course one obstacle

is that you DO need the players to make this type of thing effective. I think I undersold the importance of the quarterback. A couple bad incompletions and you’re looking at 3 and outs instead of mass domination.

Also, while you could make some players into a Gronk-lite (obviously not as skull-crushingly awesome), you can’t simply plug anyone in for the Hernandez role. He’s sort of a joker, and you’d need someone who is more of a TE/WR hybrid to make that work correctly.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You need Tom Brady and an offensive line.

Those two things make all of the other spare parts that team is cobbled together from look awesome, when in fact they are spare parts.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure about that

Also, NFL spare parts are different than college football spare parts. The playing field is a lot more level in the NFL. If you have a couple gamebreakers at TE or WR in the college game, there’s really no way the average college defender can stop them. There is a much lower median level of ability, and much less time to practice.

And Gronkowski and Hernandez are both absolute game-breakers. Some of the advanced scouting sites have Gronk rated as both the #1 pass-catching TE and blocking TE, and Hernandez is a joker (think Polamalu at safety) that is such a hybrid at his position that opposing defenses aren’t equipped to stop him. If we can get the absolute best TE prospects to come to Penn State, they aren’t going to be covered by college linebackers or safeties. You just have to get them the ball.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

And here lies the problem.
You just have to get them the ball

Here’s hoping O’Brien can develop a competent quarterback.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

A question for jesse.

You’ve written on here in the past about how much you love Mike Tomlin. What’s so different about Mike Tomlin when he was hired by the Steelers and Bill O’Brien now?

To me the only real difference is that one had the blessing of the Rooneys, who clearly know what they’re doing. The blessing of Joyner is admittedly mixed, if not just a flat negative.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jan 6, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well.

If you read some of the things I’ve written about Behind the Steel Curtain, or screamed at him during games, you might disagree that I love Mike Tomlin. But there are a couple of things that are different.

Initially, the credibility of the people doing the hiring and the transparency of the process. The Steelers were going to comply with the “Rooney Rule” so they interviewed the man who was considered to be the top, young, black assistant coach in the league. And even with all of that, I was skeptical at the time. Everybody in Pittsburgh was, and anyone who tells you different is a liar.

Second, unlike alot of people in Pittsburgh, I was never terribly impressed by Bill Cowher. I thought his Super Bowl was much more like a blind squirrel finding a nut than any sort of coaching genius. Frankly, I’m sure I’m in the minority on this, but I’d rather have O’Brien than Cowher. I’ll take young and hungry over old and rich any day. But the manner of this coaching change is totally different.

Third, Mike Tomlin’s coaching credentials might have been a little light for the job, but they were top notch. This is in retrospect, but if they would have waited for him to be fully qualified for the Steelers job, he’d be somebody else’s head coach right now. While it’s possible that it’s the same with O’Brien, his track record is concerning to me.

Finally, and this is a problem I’ve had with everything Penn State has done since November 5th, they won’t fucking say anything. Their ongoing attitude that I am not entitled to any manner of explanation of anything ever is pissing me off. I’m god damned sick of being told to “let it play out”. Tell me what the hell is going on, and why I should continue to support this program. I’m entitled to that, we all are.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Entitled is the wrong word

It’s just a question of communicating with the people they expect to buy tickets. They’re entitled to run the operation as they see fit and you’re entitled to not buy tickets. That’s all, unfortunately.

I had high hopes for Tomlin because he was in my college graduating class. I don’t know him, but we don’t produce a lot of sports superstars so we’re very, very proud of him.

Tomlin had one very good year as DC of the Vikings. Vikings fans I know say he got them playing much better than before with the same personnel. Before that, most of his NFL experience was under Tony Dungy, who gave him his big break when he took him from an assistant job at U of Cincinnati to an assistant job with the Buccs. That kind of “spotting young talent” is what we need here too, but Dave Joyner is no Tony Dungy when it comes to football coaches.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree.

Entitled is exactly the correct word. This isn’t an NFL franchise, it is not a billionaires play thing. It’s a public trust that belongs to hundreds of thousands of Penn Staters. Dr. Joyner is the guy in charge, but it’s no more his than it is mine.

They’re entitled to run the operation as they see fit and you’re entitled to not buy tickets.

They think this. They are sorely mistaken.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

But that's not how it works

Sure, it would be better if it worked as you described it, but I don’t see how just asserting that gets you (or me) anywhere.

The athletics department is run as an “ancillary business.” The AD is beholden to the board and the board is beholden to the various constituencies that vote for it. The coaches are not hired by popular vote. You don’t get to make the decisions. You pick some of the people who pick the people who make the decisions. If you don’t like what’s going on in the program, you don’t have any power other than to not show up. I’m not saying that’s how it should be, but I don’t see anyway around that reality.

Most of the time, at least, it’s better that way. The problem is that right now, things are being run by people who never really asked for these jobs, they just volunteered because it was a crisis. But enthusiastic amateurs are no substitute for professionals.

In Europe, it’s becoming increasingly common for soccer clubs to be owned and run by their supporters. I wish it were like that here.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No, that's not how it works.

You think the AD would pull this shit at Oklahoma, or Ohio State. Their head would be on a pike in front of the football stadium to warn the next guy not to pull shit like this.

What do you think the reaction would be at Alabama if an interim AD and one one fairly anonymous donor decided to take two months to hire a head coach, in consultation with nobody, and then came back with Bob O’Brien and no explanation.

Bull Connor wouldn’t be able to stop that riot.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I think there'd be an uproar

Just as there’s an uproar here.

I’m not sure what point you’re making. That this sucks? Well, no disagreement. But so what?

I’m saying that, in reality, we’re stuck with this guy now and not supporting the guy we’re now stuck with doesn’t help anybody. Yes, you should write letters and run for the board if you can or whatever, but the options are pretty limited right now.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is...

Those schools would never have administrators so arrogant as to believe that they could so totally alienate their fan base and have their be no negative repercussions.

I think these people honestly think they are going to sell out Beaver Stadium next year. And if they do, they’ve lost their minds.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Grumble Grumble.

It’s going to be fascinating to see attendance numbers next year. It was kind of crappy this season, even before the university alienated practically all of its supporters in one way or another since November.

by Chris Grovich on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

There are 2 people who haven't been alienated

Erickson and Joyner. And here’s to hoping

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

They will be a STEP down

in attendence. How much? we’ll see. I go to one game a year, two if I’m lucky. I’ll still go to one next year.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jan 6, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yes it will be

lucky me, my bro in law played at ohio, so I’m taking a big family group to that game…I don’t think tix will be a problem

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth

That these are good and quality people in charge of this, based on they’re rich and successful.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not totally true

Didn’t Alabama go through a string of questionable coaching hires between Stallings and Saban?

And it’s not clear that they expect “no negative repercussions.” They may believe the negative repercussions would be worse with Bradley. I don’t agree with that, but I can see how they might.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

What does that even mean?

I don’t disagree with your opinion, but what negative repercussions could really come from outside the program?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If the NCAA wants a poke,

They’ll take it no matter who the coach is. Same for the Big Ten. We’d still sell out at home. Oh, no! Maybe less fans would show up at away games? How does that affect Penn State?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

You really can’t conceive of any?

Every time a new Sandusky revelation happens, the coach has to answer pointed questions because he worked in close company with the guy for years and years. That’s what would happen with Coach Bradley. And it’d kill us with recruits.

by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

This basically proves that

Bradley would have been the best hire and that we are doomed. Just based on the poster’s track record.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Bunnies

STAT!

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah..

I wouldn’t want my kid playing for someone who might have met JS. Bill O’Brasky it is! Woo!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid is as stupid does

If you want to claim there’s no difference between somebody who “met Sandusky” and Tom Bradley, the guy who was his understudy for a decade or so, you write your own story, don’t you?

by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

His understudy on what?

Child-raping? Its completely feasible that Tom Bradley wasn’t involved in any of this, but babies and bathwater and all that jazz.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course it is feasible.

It’s also reasonable for the national media to keep asking him about it, over and over again, because it’s not like Sandusky is a guy he just ran into once or twice in the office.

And that’s a ball of wax we can’t afford.

by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually,

I wouldn’t want my kid playing for anyone who thought a ragged sweatshirt is proper work attire.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you about the failure of Joyner and Ira

If nothing else, Penn State football is sold to the alumni and the public — at a tremendous profit to the University — as the most accessible way to interact with and support the University. They need to be more transparent and responsive to the supporters of the football team as they’ve gone through this process.

[Penn State has been very good, actually, in not asking me for money through this whole thing, which they usually do with some regularity.]

But the fact that they process sucked, to me, means very little about the product. I do my best work when I’m hungover and strung out on coffee. It’s terrible for my long-term health and I’m a bear to be around, but the memo that comes out the other end is magic. The process: ugly and bad; the product: poetry.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jan 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

no coaching search is transparent; no AD/University puts out status reports, etc.

Honestly, i don’t understand the sense that PSU should be saying or should have said something. You get nothing — you’re not entitled to anything — before the press conference is announced.

go google stories about Illinois, for example. Pretty much no information from the AD’s office; lots and lots and lots of internet rumors.

Bottom line: PSU got the same sort of coaching search as every other school got/gets.

by WarBuck46410 on Jan 6, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

I can’t agree with this. Our coaching search was 2 months long. I don’t think anyone needed to know anything during the search itself – I appreciated the discretion because I wanted them to be able to do their duties without distraction and interference.

But now? Joyner acted arrogant and dismissed everybody the entire time. Now the cat’s out of the bag. I’m sure he didn’t plan it that way. But as of 10 minutes ago, no player or coach has heard anything from anyone. If they did in fact agree with BOB, and the story is obviously in the media, why not talk to the players and coaches? It’s ridiculous.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Joyner...

thinks it’s someone else’ responsibility to notify the players.

Who’s currently filling Gary Schultz’ position?

Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®

by leeharvey418 on Jan 6, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not trying to ruin anyone's holidays?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Bull Connor would have incited the riot.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Dan Connor

would have pranked the riot

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

John Connor

would have cried and been an annoying child actor throughout the riot’s sequel.

Run.

by Bob Sacamano on Jan 6, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Rosanna Arquette

would have gotten naked in a 1980’s version of the riot

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

David Arquette

would have starred in some weird, straight-to-dvd B-movie version of the riot.

I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN

by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Alexis Arquette

would have changed genders in the middle of the riot.

Run.

by Bob Sacamano on Jan 6, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

A Lexus Sedan

would have driven through the Riot with a bow on it during Christmastime

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

the Sudan

would be thirsty during the riot

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Cliff Arquette

would have been the Secret Square.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

David Mamet

Would written the riot into the wilderness and cast Anthony Hopkins or William H. Macy as Joe Paterno.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Boom

excellent. Though I dont share your opinion that you’d take O’Brien over Cowher. I do agree he was a bit overrated.

I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN

by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

So of your four points, three are based on the people that hired him

and one is based on his resume…so substantively: do you have questions or concerns or both? And what are they?

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I was specifically asked to compare this hire to Tomlin.

I’ll start here, I had questions and concerns about Tomlin as well, then I saw his first press conference. There is a difference between a coordinator and a head coach. There needs to be a certain not quantifiable “it” factor to a head coach. And whatever “it” is, Mike Tomlin showed he had it in about six seconds. I’m not saying I knew he’d be a good coach right away, but I am saying it was instantly obvious why they hired him. Maybe this guy is like that too.

Substantively, my concern is that he is a lifetime offensive coach that doesn’t really have any accomplishments that don’t directly relate to work that I can’t easily credit to three or four other people off the top of my head. Moreover, not for nothing, the Patriots haven’t won a playoff game in how long? The Steelers defense shut down Tom Brady for the first time this season in how long?

I don’t not like this hire because O’Brien is an unknown. I don’t like it because it strikes me as something a bad NFL owner would do. “Hey our offense sucks, I know, let’s hire the Patriots offensive coordinator. Look at those statistics, he must be good”.

I admit that it’s not fair to judge the guy before he’s even had a press conference. But here is what I know so far, his former employer is a scoundrel, he’s is being vouched for by fools, and I’ll I’ve heard from him so far is an agent saying he’s looking for an NFL coaching job.

If they don’t want this decision to be judged harshly, they need to give out some more information.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Strong points

Definitely agree that the presser will give us a better impression. First impressions are important, and he’s yet to make his to us.

The last two paragraphs are very fair.

You lose me a little in the middle, though. Who’s responsible for the offense at New England isn’t clear to me. Sure, having Brady makes those numbers possible; but BOB very well could be the one directly responsible for using tight ends more effectively than they ever had been before. Maybe it’s BB or someone else; but no one here knows.

I really don’t get the vibe that this is a “bad-owner” hire. But maybe my spidey sense is down. It seems like maybe Joyner made a strategic decision to get an up-and-coming NFL coach, which wasn’t a bad tactic. Given this guy’s ACC pedigree and new england roots, he was probably a better fit than others. But you could very well be right on this one; hope your not, but the balance of evidence suggests Joyner is punching above his weight.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jan 6, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

My point about New England's offense...

…is that it’s not as good as it usually is. The Jets beat the hell out of them in the playoffs last year. It’s an offense that can not handle any measure of physicality at all, and I don’t see that as being a great fit with the way the Big Ten plays, and more importantly, how things like defense pass interference is call in the conference.

Moreover, it’s not a transferable offense. It requires Tom Brady. No coach has been able to replicate the Patriots success, anywhere. I don’t think it’s realistic to think were buying the Patriots offense with this guy. And if were not, what the hell are we buying?

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill Belichick coaching tree ftw!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You are missing the most important point, in my opinion.

Josh McDaniels left. Belichick, the person who knows BOB the best at this point, elected not to promote him to OC for a very long time IN FAVOR OF LEAVING THE POSITION VACANT. Inspire confidence to you?

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

but he eventually promoted him

and he hired him in the first place.

At the very least, O’Brien’s a good playcaller, much better than the two-headed monster we’ve got right now. And he’s been in that position for a few years.

The Steelers beat the Pats offense by keeping them off the field. I’d need to look at the stats to see how they compare to other years.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Jan 6, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Who says he is a good playcaller?

He hired him from college OC, to offensive quality control. From attrition, he became WR coach, QB coach, and was not given the vacant OC job while Belichick (at least claimed to) called the plays with some “input” from BOB. Then after two seasons of OC vacancy, in the last year of his contract, BB says he is the OC this year. Doesn’t sound to me like someone he trusts offensively. He was a college OC and wasn’t trusted to take the vacant position in the NFL for 2 full seasons.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The Steelers beat the Patriots offense

By jamming their receivers at the line and getting Brady out of rhythm and then kicking the shit out of their terrible defense.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If you can get Brady on the ground

you can stop this offense. It’s not even much of a secret.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

But Dante is the best coach in this

business so it’s easier said than done.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

He’s just good at getting the ball out quickly.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't even have to get him to the ground.

Disrupting the routes is enough.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Disrupting the routes

is effective because it buys you time to get to him. Once you start to hit him a few times he gets happy feet. Anytime you see him start to dance a little you know things are about to get ugly.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

didnt he call the plays though

even if he didnt get the actual title.

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, to be fair, interpreting a Belichick presser is not easy,

but his statements usually amounted to BB called the plays with BOB’s “help” or “input”.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

And Brady changed them at the LOS?

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Bring back Quarless

If he didn’t already burn all his Penn State shit with the rest of the lettermen

by PSUCharmas on Jan 6, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

"He has a knee"

Oh Dear Lord — I’m going to miss having a coach who says stuff like that.

by CvilleLion on Jan 6, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Wish the current QB's were unhappy.

I’ve had about enough of them.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

look on the bright side

Maybe Jones gets his academics in order since he sees a clear path to NFL draft with a good coach running an NFL style offense.

Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it

by millzners on Jan 6, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If I were them, I'd actually be worried

That this guy tosses them aside. But who knows. Moxie probably can’t even comprehend the possibility.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't get this image out of my head.

That has O’Brien in Moxie’s face on the sideline for throwing it deep into triple coverage. Although, with Moye graduating, maybe his propensity to do so will deteriorate.

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by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Only his propensity to GET AWAY WITH IT will deteriorate

My opinion.

Also Skylar M. is going to be the next Tom Brady so don’t worry about it.

by PSUCharmas on Jan 6, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

People can be pissed off about the hire

I am….but that doesn’t mean PSU people won’t support him. This has been emotional rollercoaster. Like many people here I don’t think O’Brien is the right hire but we aren’t Michigan and I am sure the alumni base will fully support the new coach next fall.

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude lives in Mechanicsburg, I’m on the West Shore, maybe I should shake his hand and thank him for actually making some sense.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 6, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop freaking out

Schools never announce these things until it’s official. Often there’s no announcement until the coach can be there to be introduced after the contract is signed. Ohio State fans weren’t freaking out when the rumors about Urban Meyer were swirling and they didn’t make an announcement until it was official. The last thing we want is to make an official announcement and then have something happen (him back off or us change our mind).

Yes, the search was handled poorly. No, Bradley could not have been the coach. He couldn’t. Perception matters. You can ignore public perception when you have a lot of goodwill built up, all our goodwill has been taken away recently. That’s reality. We need to move on and accept this. It is definitely unfair to Bradley, but let’s face it all of this is unfair. It’s what’s best for Penn State to have a new coach. We need a new AD and president as well.

Also, stop sounding like Michigan fans. We don’t know what O’Brien is like. It’s a little early to say he won’t understand Penn State values. He has coached at good academic schools in the past. He went to Brown. He’s currently coaching for one of the few organizations in the NFL that cares about moral character. Give him a chance. I know Belicheck is smug and annoying, but that doesn’t mean O’Brien will be as well. Now, if he comes in and gets recruiting violations and doesn’t care about academics, I will be with you on this. Until then, give him a chance.

by psfann on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Recruiting Issue

I think a big issue a lot of people, including myself have, is that if O’Brien is the guy as is likely…..he is not leaving NE a week ago. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but as an active NFL coach I believe that he cannot speak with high school recruits under NCAA guidelines. We need someone out there RIGHT NOW! If O’Brien is not willing to do that…..any offer should have been rescinded.

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s currently coaching for one of the few organizations in the NFL that cares about moral character

huh?

by 1LisHell on Jan 6, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

cheating is moral

if you look at it from a standpoint of “im just trying to educate myself before I decide what Im going to do.”

If you look at it like its cheating, which it is, then its immoral.

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

A little

For the most part, their players are much better behaved than other teams. Yes, the taping was immoral. It’s the NFL. If you care a little about morals, that puts you on higher ground than half the teams. I’m not saying their saints, but I’d rather have someone from the Patriots organization than the Raiders or a lot of other teams.

by psfann on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll say screw and support the guy once he's in State College doing his job.

But this staying in New England shit is totally unacceptable, and should have been a deal breaker.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you there

It makes it look like we were pursuing him, and being able to coach the playoff was his dealbreaker. I can’t believe Joyner would be that bad at negotiating.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The conspiracy theorist in me says this could all be a giant distraction...

To keep the news away from the real hire: Leslie Miles or Nicky Lou Saban.

Unlikely… but if so, then that’s some quality poker.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You're close

My inside sources tell me Miles as OC, Saban as DC.

Head coach? Russ Rose.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooooh

Maybe Russ Rose can coach special teams!

Remember when our biggest argument was why didn’t PSU have a dedicated special teams coach?

Ah, the glory days of old.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I just hope BOB retains Spider.

Seriously.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

They fire Spider

and I’m done

Black shoes, basic blues, no names, all game.

by JIMPSU on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a JT fan

but who knows now?!?!

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT DID HE KNOW AND WHEN??

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously though if I wanted a job at PSU as a low level assistant would I have a chance?

It seriously crossed my mind to call and apply for a job. I know typically that GAs get these jobs, but would a young high school head coach have a shot from your inside opinion?

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Only one who was good with the wiki

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well.

N77CV (BE20) has just filed a flight plan. It is scheduled to depart from University Park (KUNV) at 02:00PM EST heading for Boston Logan Intl (KBOS) for an estimated arrival at 03:11PM EST.

by Chris Grovich on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Logan?

Generally private planes tend to fly to regional and municipal fields, not busy international airports like Logan. It could very easily be dropping the fencing team off to catch an international flight out of Logan to Italy where they are competing this weekend. It would explain why they’re going to Logan as opposed to a regional or muni field. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was for Obrien though.

(also, it’s cost prohibitive to send a plane somewhere to pick someone up. Very expensive. It would be more likely that they would charter a plane that’s already on the ground in Boston. That’s what OSU did with Urbz. They chartered a plane from Gulf Atlantic Airways in Gainesville to bring Urbz to OSU regional airport).

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Jan 6, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

They haven't made a single good decision yet

why start now by picking a better airport?

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Ha! Very true!

It just struck me as odd. My brother works for one of the larger private jet companies out there, and he agreed that it would be a big waste of money to send a jet to pick someone up (which is why their company and many others try to avoid it). But yeah, it’s not like the BoT or administration has been making the best decisions as of late.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Jan 6, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why they brought

Ira Lubert, huge donor, into the mix. So he can pay for NetJets to fly back and forth with empty planes to throw reporters off the trail.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

IT'S A TRAP

Check the train departures from New Orelans to State College

by PSUCharmas on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I support BOB!

even if he is just a cartoon character….

All of our comments are irrelevant - LetsGoPSU

by jaytay13 on Jan 6, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Here's my angry take

This guy is just looking for some padding to his career before he jumps ship on us. I take it he burned some bridges with Tom Brady, was looking to bounce, and this was the best opportunity he could find since basically all D1 head coaching positions are currently filled and he was unlikely to get a shot as head coach of an NFL team.

I see this (alleged) hire as more penance for our fans and alumni. 2-3 seasons of utter despair after this reckless hire should be enough to wash the stink off the program and move forward with a decent hire.

Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it

by millzners on Jan 6, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Unforunately

Of your two comments, this one is the clear future to me

by ReddWhitenBlue on Jan 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree.

He didn’t need to burn any bridges, I think he already knew his contract wouldn’t get renewed once his deal is up at the end of the playoffs.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd have to think screaming at TB on national tv

Equals “zero job” post-season.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I see nothing wrong with screaming at Brady

especially if they get along in general. It just shows that both he and Brady are passionate and Type A guys. I’d be more worried if there was an actual rift or some long-standing pissing match or something. Sometimes people butt heads.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course not.

I actually like the passion. But, if they aren’t “palsies”, I’d think his days would be numbered at NE.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's my upbeat take

If this guy comes in, keeps LJ Sr and/or Vanderlin, let’s them recruit through the end of the playoffs and then gives us a decent offense with a comparable Bradley-coached defense, we’re looking at a scenario pretty close to what I wanted. Give me a string of defenses from 2000-present and an offense with a pulse and we’re in the B1G title contention most seasons.

In 2-3 years we’ll laugh at all this freaking out and be fondly refering to Bill or Bob or whatever the fuck his name is as BoPA or OPa, or something.

Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it

by millzners on Jan 6, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

Cooler Heads Must Prevail

Look, I knew from the git go that whoever followed Joe was going to incite riots. The problem we now face is the one that every other university faced for the last 50 years…

If he’s not YOUR guy, then you hate him and hope he’s fired. Look at how bad things are at Georgia. If Richt doesn’t get ten win and a bowl game, there are billboards on I95 calling for his resignation.

I was at UNC in the early 2000’s. The partisan bickering (in both basketball and football) over the coaches was deafening.

I’d hate to see that happen here at Penn State…but here we go already.

What I’d like to see is a good brisk discussion among ourselves and a big blue wall to rest of the world. Once he’s hired, let’s accept him. Let him succeed or fail on his own merit. If he sucks, then we’ll hold him accountable.

But with the cluster-f&^k that this search was…why would we be in a rush to do it again anytime soon?

by 87Townie on Jan 6, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

Blockquote fail sorry.
If this joker stays with the Pats through the playoffs he has already shown himself to be unworthy of the head coach position. I hope Lavar and Short rip Joyner’s arms off!

by 87Townie on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

A potential, probably nonexistant positive that I'm still excited for

Seen him play several times. He is the best high school player I’ve ever seen in person by a mile, and I’ve seen people like Arrellious Benn, Kenny Tate, Jelani Jenkins, and Marcus Coker.

But I’m definitely getting my hopes up. How we never offered him is beyond me.

by Kyanz43 on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

I cried only once in the past two months.

When I watched 324. Specifically when the players yelled Sue’s name as she appeared and Joe himself teared up.

I have very little emotional reaction to this hire. I have no more emotions.

I wish Coach O’Brien the best, but I will not be following this program for some time.

"The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps."

by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

With all due respect, you don't know me.

If you want me to let it rip to prove it to you, fine, I will. But I’ve already hashed and rehashed my issues with Penn State.

"The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps."

by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

No need.

But Penn State is still Penn State. As long as the players keep suiting up with the black shoes, and name-less jerseys.

by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

If they think this reaction is bad

They can’t even fathom what would happen if they touch the uniforms.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Seconded

I think people would start to really go into rage mode if that happened

by Phelomerlin on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

If that happened

I would drive right on up to old main and riot myself. I’ll even bring my own torch.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If he messes with that, I'm done

As Seinfeld said, supporting a team is supporting Laundry, and ours is the best.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I am glad you are on these boards

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

This has been coming for a long time.

If you had told me as a kid that Penn State would fire any man or woman as a media scapegoat, I never would have become Penn State fan.

"The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps."

by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm not sure there was a "good" or "proper" way to handle these two months.

I am as heartbroken as any over these events, but I’m trying to move on.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have settled for professional

You don’t fire a 40+ year janitor via messenger/via telephone let alone JVP who represents so much more than just PSU football. The BOT looked like inept fools in their presser instead of a strong governing body. They knew this s.storm was coming and should have had plans in place for dealing with the media fallout. Also as Rambler has alluded to…..they have sought to distance PSU from all things Paterno in spite of all the good work he did for the University. If they had to move on fine…..at least be a man and do it in person. Moreover…..don’t look to distance yourself from someone who has done so much for both the football team and the school!

As for the search for the next coach, if Joyner and Erickson thought it prudent to include a bunch of people on the search committee that know nothing about football….fine……but why not include some distinguished football alums too…….people that should have input on the way they want the program to continue. Franco and MRob come to mind right away. The fact is they didn’t want that input. Instead they have hired a guy who may work out ok….but in reality….doesn’t seem willing to jump into the job asap and doesn’t have that good of resume (see his work at Duke and GT).

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

you're making me soften my stance a little

and I agree with your points/ideas

I just don’t get the huge backlash about the hire is all

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He could turn out to be great....we'll see

The cupboard certainly is not bare and if he can turn PJ, McG, Bolden or Morninwhig (sp) into a decent QB, PSU could have a very good season next year. I have issues with his body of work but as I was telling my dad the other day……a so-so coordinator can turn out to be a good head coach if he hires great assistants. IMO….he needs to hire some people that know PA and OH recruiting. If he could retain any one of the current staff defensive staff it would be a plus for him….though that may be out of his hands. He at least better bring some guys in that can recruit against Urban. NFL ties are a positive recruiting tool (as Fat Charlie showed at ND). That said I don’t like it that he isn’t jumping into the job right now. Roman said all the right things about the PSU job…..this guy (though his agent) hasn’t done the same. He needs to start winning over the alumni base now so he doesn’t face a RR situation.

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think its backlash about the hire

Its backlash about the entire process. Anyone who coaches Penn State will always have my support, so long as they coach with the ideals of Paterno in mind: win honorably, graduate players, understand that you are part of something bigger than yourself, behave humbly, etc.

The issue is that BOB has been ‘named’ head coach without Bradley, LJ, or Vandy being informed. This process has been drug out much longer than it needed to be. That the search was handled arrogantly and seemingly in an attempt to distance itself from the Paterno era is disheartening.

Everything about this has been handled in the most unprofessional way possible, while the same silence and arrogance that dominated the headlines in November continue to be the norm for these administrators.

Outside hires can succeed at PSU. Paterno was an outside hire. The backlash isn’t against someone who isn’t from PSU, but rather against PSU alumn that don’t seem to represent who we are as a community.

Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?

by psuphysicist on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with everything except the last paragraph.

Paterno was an assistant coach for years under Engle before he was hired. So, granted he didn’t graduate from Penn State, but he was definitely “from the family” when he was hired.

by mleepsu08 on Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

But Rip Engle was an outside hire!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

taking for granted that

LJ, Scrap etal weren’t informed is speculation IMO…unless there is some info out there that i missed

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

They're saying that they weren't told anything.

Doesn’t necessarily that they weren’t. LJ just showed up at Lasch and disavowed any knowledge of anything…said he’s just back from a recruiting trip.

by Chris Grovich on Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

gotcha

well, nowadays, it’s tough to keep a secret…PSU probably wanted to have BOB on hand for a formal announcement, maybe that wasn’t possible until tomorrow logistically. in the meantime the cat got out, etc. Sucks all the way around, but waddyagonnado?

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that doesn't bode well

for his chances of staying on the staff. Don’t you think someone would have run that by him?

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I've based a lot of that on

The fact that there were reports from bowl week about the angst amongst the coaches who didn’t know if they’d be back or not. I believe there were a few direct quotes from LJ Sr to that point. And really, its fairly obvious that no one on the staff (Scrap) was really given fair consideration for the job. Thats absolutely fine, but they shouldn’t have been led to believing they did. Also, the fanbase shouldn’t have been led to believing that either.

I would have been disheartened had I heard 8 weeks ago that Scrap wasn’t getting the job, but I’d at least respect Joyner for being honest about it and giving the guy the chance to interview elsewhere.

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by psuphysicist on Jan 6, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I specifically remember Joyner saying publicly that tires to PSU (and I think current ties were implied, if not said explicitly) were NOT a deal breaker. I certainly took as a statement that they would fairly evaluate the current staff and other ex-PSU guys. Unless O’Brien absolutely killed in his interview, I have a hard time believing that they really thought he was better than Bradley.

Unless they were just THAT infatuated with the NFL thing. Which really brings into question their competence, as well as how much they even pay attention to college football today.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

well....

perhaps Joyner was keeping all his options open…re: he may have needed Bradley as a fall back option. It makes no sense to jettison the current staff with uncertainty about who could/would take the job

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess my point of contention is

Shouldn’t Bradley have been a fall back option before it got to O’Brien? It sure as hell seems that way. And since it got past Scrap, he clearly wasn’t a fall back option, period.

Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?

by psuphysicist on Jan 6, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

OH hell yeah

Bradley is superior to BOB in every way at this point.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

If it was really only between Munchak and O'Brien

then O’Brien must have absolutely rocked the interview. Maybe that is reassuring?

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Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS JUST IN

Munchak to be named next PSU head coach.

Bill O’Brien to be named next Tenessee Titans head coach

HOORAY

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by Horse N Buggy on Jan 6, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Quick!

To the Twitters!

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Hugo Bezdek, Bob Higgins, Joe Bedenk, Rip Engle, Joe Paterno, Bill O'Brien

One of these things is not the like the others…

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jan 6, 2012 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

IRISH

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Explains why no one around here likes him

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Was shortened at Ellis Island

D’ Higginzino was the family name.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

my neighbor was named higgins

dont think he was irish. He was a Michigan fan though…

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

so what if we hired Tom Clements like some expected

Would still be having the same argument that he is not leaving the Packers right away to go to Penn State to be there for National Signing Day. Everyone would be up in arms because he won’t be there for National Signing day. Wouldn’t the same thing have happened with any NFL Coach that made it into the playoffs. I guess it just sucks for him being on a team that wins. Wouldn’t it be the same thing if Munchak and the Titans made it into the playoffs?

by jetskijoe on Jan 6, 2012 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

He's not the OC in charge of the offensive game plan

if he wouldn’t leave early, that wouldn’t make much sense at all.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a bit of an assumption

BOB could very easily walk away and wish the Pats luck right now.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Please tell me this is fake

Bill O’Brien @OBrienPSU
“I understand the frustration some may have here. You should know that I have a tremendous amount of respect for Tom Bradley.”

by Artiefufkin10 on Jan 6, 2012 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

Fake

That is a fake twitter account

by runlikeanantelope on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So I wonder what the interview questions were?

1) So what’s it like to spit in Tom Brady’s face – I always wanted to do that!
2) Does Bill B. personally cut off the sleeves of his hoodie?
3) You knw we FIRED JoePa – don’t you?

I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational

by GoodOleDays on Jan 6, 2012 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

The best part about the hoodie

Is that they put his initials on the front. Like, in case you can’t remember which hoodie with sleeves cut off is Bill’s.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Very nice. Very nice.

So very nice to see
And it did. It did.
Get a chuckle out of me.

*

by Smee on Jan 6, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

A Warning

I think it’s a joke that a sizeable contingency of the PSU community has already come out and voiced their displeasure with the hire. While I understand that one must critique the performances of those in charge, coming out in force only hours after the man was hired, publicly, does nothing but seriously damage your brand – a Penn State brand that needed serious repair prior to this anyway.

Trust me, I went through it for three years in RichRod’s tenure – we had a whole host of former players, famous alumni and the general fan base that constantly "hated on" RichRod throughout his three years here. And trust me, as an avid fan and personal friend of many that were part of our program during these three years, it DOES have a serious effect on the team, the Coach’s ability to do his job, and the program as a whole. A negative one at that.

We can debate this all day, and I can assure you that I recognize that you cannot draw simple conclusions on "who knew what" and "who didn’t do what", but the fact of the matter is this – the most despicable acts a human being can commit were committed in the halls and locker rooms of your football facilities, and your program is tied to that. Bottom line. I can assure you that when someone thinks’ "Penn State Football", images of Kijana Carter and "black shoes" are now replaced by images that are too graphic to describe. While it might not seem like that to you because Penn State Football is close to your heart, the average fan, players, recruit – heck, even those who are intertwined in the world of football – have those images.

I understand your feelings that this hire was not at the top of your list – and I understand your anger. But guess what? A lot of second, third, fourth etc. choices worked out very well for some programs. Penn State has a serious, serious image problem and I am not taking a huge leap in assuming that it was very, very difficult to attract a lot of candidates for this job, even those potential candidates that are coaching at programs well below the level of Penn State. I followed your coaching search closely and thought it was absolutely laughable the names being thrown out there. Nick Saban? I legitimately have more of a shot bedding Vida Guerra tonight than Penn State had a shot at Nick Saban.

Look – I’m not trying to sound like a rival fan poking fun at you guys, because trust me, I’m really not trying to be. All I’m saying is this – give this guy a chance. A public outcry against the hire – before the guy has even had an opportunity to address the Penn State community (and before the hire is even announced!) is ridiculous and doing nothing but seriously damaging a brand that already needed serious repair before this happened. Trust me – I experienced it for three years in our program, and we had much better circumstances to begin with. Brandon Short publicly threatening lawsuits and referencing the "tangible standard at Penn State" will do nothing but make you guys the laughingstock of college football.

Stand by your coach. And stand by your school. And if things aren’t going well, keep the finger pointing and criticism in-house.

Penn State’s #1 issue right now is to repair the glorious brand and reputation that took so long to build, not winning football games. In the end, your brand and reputation is the most important thing you have.

THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN CLASS OF 2006

HAIL TO THE VICTORS. GO BLUE.

by Detroiter23 on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

No, Right.

Reputation is the most important thing you have. Always.

THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN CLASS OF 2006

HAIL TO THE VICTORS. GO BLUE.

by Detroiter23 on Jan 6, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, It Does

And Penn State’s reputation will need to be repaired before it can get back to where you guys belong.

THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN CLASS OF 2006

HAIL TO THE VICTORS. GO BLUE.

by Detroiter23 on Jan 6, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

In an effort to be less obtuse...

… I care about what the university is and does a lot more than I care about its brand and reputation. What you think, what ESPN thinks, what mouthbreathers on sports radio think, all the things that add up to reputation, are not the most important thing we have.

by elefantstn on Jan 6, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yes it is - You don't understand

Perception is reality. How do you guys think you’ll recruit with your current reputation. Not well.

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HAIL TO THE VICTORS. GO BLUE.

by Detroiter23 on Jan 6, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If you think that, then brand and reputation aren’t the most important thing to you, winning is. Brand and reputation are just critical components of that.

by elefantstn on Jan 6, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What does it matter?

The world is full of haters. At this point, our reputation to outsiders will never be what it was.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

A little cheesy, but it got to me once on the intertubes

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Solid distinction.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Perception = Reality thing

Is so trite, it’s become ignorant. Or juvenile. Which often are the same thing.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It's worked out a lot better for ya

since you brought a UM guy back into the fold…..hasn’t it? I am not happy with the hire….don’t like O’Brien’s body of work. His greatest achievement seems to be as OC for Tom Brady (who makes anyone look good). Duke sucked while he was there and GT was so-so at best. Regardless of all that this guy may turn out to be a good coach. That said……his failure to dive into his duties as HC RIGHT NOW is disturbing. Also the composition of the committee and process that went about choosing this guy did not include any of the PSU football family (which it should of) outside the AD….Epic FAIL!

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He was almost going to ND

According to what I’ve read, O’Brien was set to follow O’Leary to Notre Dame until it was discovered that O’Leary lied on his resume. O’Brien’s connection to O’Leary doesn’t help, btw. But they did do well enough at GT to merit the upgrade to ND. At least, I recall from the time that most people thought that was a good hire for ND.
After that blew up, O’Brien stayed on with Chan Gailey, but then left to be Maryland’s RB coach with Friegen. That’s suspicious. Why would he take downgrade in job like that? Maybe he just didn’t fit into Chan Gailey’s picture and he would have been friends with Friedgen from before, so I guess that sort of makes sense. Sort of.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

GT has been ok at best since I have lived in Atlanta

They play in a crap conference and usually aren’t that good. Granted Tech is a very small school and they have their own recruiting issues but still Tech never lit it up under O’Leary. As for Gailey the guy took all his teams to bowls but never could put forth a dominate team. This is the ACC not the Big 10 or SEC. Struggles there do not leave me with a good sense of security. Tom Brady is the Pats….so I give this guy no credit for any success at NE. I temper this by saying he may turn out to be a good coach and I will support him……but his failure to jump into the job now is not a good start!

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes....early 90's

May the JVP way......success with honor forever be the Penn State way.

by pic15 on Jan 6, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I always thought RichRod was overrated as a coach...

But, I agree with many of your points. We can hate the actions of Joyner and the BoT but we should wait and see how he does creating a staff, recruiting, etc. I don’t want this to turn into that situation. Even if UM did end up with the right guy eventually in Brady Hoke, there was a lot of unnecessary angst before that.

So I totally agree with you.

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I do too.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

RichRod

Made mistakes, but he wasn’t given the real opportunity to succeed. There were a lot of tough years that shouldnt have been under him.

I’m glad we have Hoke – I can assure you that I wasn’t 100 percent behind the hire as he was my third choice. Having said that, I am confident he is going to work out well.

THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN CLASS OF 2006

HAIL TO THE VICTORS. GO BLUE.

by Detroiter23 on Jan 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the difference

O’Brien wasn’t in anyone’s top 50, top 100 at the onset of this coaching search.

Was Les Miles coming here? NO. But no other coach in America wanted this job?

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

119 Div-1 schools

So, he’s not in my top 119. And that’s just college!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

RichRod was a terrible hire from day 1.

Even outsiders saw that. That criticism was due. I actually would have supported the Hoke hire from day 1. I like the idea of hiring an up-and-comer.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree

I didn’t like it either, especially because of the total change of philosophy, and then the reaction by everyone inside and outsite of the UM community….I knew it was going to fail.

I can honestly say, I DON’T KNOW about the Bill O’Brian experience, how it will turn out. I am skeptical, but I am willing to wait and see what choices he makes in hiring, how he does in recruiting, etc. for the next couple of years.

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

RichRod got plenty of opportunities to succeed; if he had worked to keep Mallett, et.al, hired a good D coordinator, won more games, etc., he would still be the HC.

this constant need to defend RichRod is baffling. he was awful; fielded the worst defense in Michigan’s history in 2009 and then fielded an even worse defense in 2010.

mattison takes basically the same guy and you win 11 games.

if RichRod had won even 9 games, he would still be the HC.

stop with the revisionist history

by WarBuck46410 on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Um
Stand by your coach.

Worked pretty well for you guys & RichRod

Sometimes, people criticize decisions because the decision needs criticism.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This...
Sometimes, people criticize decisions because the decision needs criticism

Not every decision is right. It is a little early to judge, obviously, but criticism is certainly due.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes the soup is cold.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes the soup is cold.

And the waiter sneaks off with your wife to the restroom.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh damnit, not again

STACEY! STACEY WHERE ARE YOU, YOU CHEATING BITCH!?

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Stand by RichRod

Anyone who thinks Michigan stood by RichRod is crazy

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by Detroiter23 on Jan 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

And that's the point

You advise us to stand by O’Brien, yet no one at UM stood behind RichRod (and deservedly not).

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Though as I said before I thought he was overrated at WVU

I agree he was set up to fail at UM.

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

this is revisionist history. go actually look a the media reports, etc., about RichRod

RichRod got plenty of support from the Michigan old-guard; if he had won more games, he would have gotten more and more support from the old-guard.

stop spewing this revisionist history on other websites.

by WarBuck46410 on Jan 6, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Steel guitar . . .

Ladies and Gentlemen, Miss Tammy Wynette!

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for your concern

I will file that advice away, in an appropriate folder..

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I had the same exact converstation with my roommate

and he is a Michigan fan. The fractured fan base will only lead to massive problems for the program.

At Michigan, once Miles turned it down, or was shot down they went into full scramble mode and grabbed RichRod. Once there, RichRod was basically setup to fail because everyone that wanted a Michigan man was the vocal minority and went off. From that no matter what he did, nothing was going to make people happy. Throw in that he decided to crap on Michigan traditions and not reach out to alums and you have a recipe for disaster.

O’Brien if he is confirmed will need to talk with the lettermen, alumni, players, recruits, etc and be honest that he knows all of the tradition that Penn State has had and will continue to do that. If he doesn’t, welcome to the RichRod Era of Michigan Football.

by cmdpsu15 on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

No

If I remember right, RR went out of his way to shit on Michigan traditions: giving up the #1 jersey, for example. They wanted a Michigan man, and got a West Virginia man. We wanted a Penn State man, and got.. Well, we’re not sure yet.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd love for the press conference announcing the new coach to begin with Joyner at a table with 5 hats

One with O’Brien on it, one with Schiano on it, one with Clements on it, and ….nevermind. That might be a bad idea..

by Spats on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure how it'd look when

We inevitably select the Oregon hat, though.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

SVP Show

hahahaha SVP an Ricillo make interesting points, yet they just dont get it. Ugh this is so frustrating all around.

by pf289 on Jan 6, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Don't know if this was already discussed above and in other comments sections of posts...

I was wondering if anyone knew (or if it has been reported, rumored, etc.) whether we had someone else, a bigger name, but they bailed at the last moment. I would be astonished if the BoT was this incompetent, I mean we know they aren’t the brightest bunch, but this is beyond stupidity. The action of Hiring BOB seems of desperation and it led to the thought above.

Thoughts…or whispers anywhere about this??

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely reasonable assumption.

However, we will likely never know the full truth, so the speculation will continue.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you are probably right....

was just curious if anyone saw anything about that on the blogosphere or something. You youg’uns are all in tune with this internet…I’m just old and slow….

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Greg Roman seemed to WANT the job, why not him? And he has done more with the Niners than (Alex Smith is his QB for goodness sake) than this guy

by gnuf on Jan 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he didn't come from the mighty Belichick coaching tree?

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jan 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This “staying through the playoffs” thing is what bothers me the most. You need to catch up on lost time and hit the pavement and get to work

by gnuf on Jan 6, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Reading about him wanting the job

really made me like him. This guy, not so much.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

whaddya know?

The FLC released an internal statement saying any comments by former players prior to a formal announcement by the University would be “premature” “reckless” and “against FLC protocol” and does not represent the views of our membership.

I guess Lavar, AND me should shut our pieholes :)

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

In American, we have the right to remain silent.

More people should make use of that right. :)

Joe Paterno Apologist

by Joe 96alum on Jan 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm certainly immature

if not premature

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there's a pill for that...

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

#OccupyESPN

by IcersGuy on Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Always better than feckless.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm beginning to calm down.

While I still hate how the search was handled, I’m willing to hear BOB out. That is if we ever schedule a press conference. I have a feeling this farce will be on the syllabus for the How Not to Handle a Crisis PR class, coming soon to Communications Departments around the country!

by michellemtsu on Jan 6, 2012 1:34 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

I just can't see how O'Brien was a desirable candidate.

Is he a “young up and comer”? I think that implies success maybe at smaller opportunities, someone off the radar. 1-22 at Duke and RECORD REDACTED at Georgia Tech don’t imply any success to me. I haven’t played football since HS, and like to think I could have success as the OC of the Patriots. Was he the only guy still returning the committees calls? Probably. Does this say more about him or the hiring committee?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

I mean

Jacksonville had the chance and said no. JACKSONVILLE!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude is almost 60

the only ‘up and coming’ for him is retirement

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That's almost 60!

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Apologies

I read somewhere he was 57

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Just change that to: Dude is almost 60

The only ‘up and coming’ for him is the Rams job. And you’ll be golden.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait..

Dude is 42*

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah..

Clements was almost 60, I think.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

58

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

A bit off topic

…and I’ll probably make another FanPost of this info later. But, here are two more links, if you are interested:

http://www.change.org/petitions/psu-alumni-for-reorganization-of-the-board-of-trustees

and

http://www.facebook.com/groups/REORGANIZE.PSU.BOT/

More later…

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by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 6, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

Forde sums it up well...
What the university has done well in the tawdry two months since the Jerry Sandusky scandal broke couldn’t fill an eye-dropper. What it has done poorly about the situation would overflow an Olympic-sized pool.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_penn_state_bill_obrien_010612

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Crud

I’ve agreed with M1EK and now PAT FORDE all in the same day?

Maybe the Mayans are right….

365 beers from 365 different breweries in 365 days. Game on.
http://www.blognamedbrew.blogspot.com/

by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And

Skip Bayless (forgive me mr diety, I clicked on a

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by Smee on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always liked Forde...

And that pretty much sums up the situation. So glad he left the EVIL EMPIRE over at ESPN.

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't read his initial reaction back in Nov.

Was it fair or ESPN-like?

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I really did read any initial reactions.

Because I was already so pissed off. I didn’t need a journalist to push me over the edge.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, honestly I don't remember....

I know many of the other writers followed the herd in condemning PSU. He must have written something about the scandal, but ESPN probably doesn’t have it anymore. Didn’t he leave around then as well. They probably won’t have any articles in their archives.

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he started at Yahoo before it

He definitely was not at ESPN when it broke.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, and my bad...

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

So he must have written somthing.

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

*something*

I would be surprised if his reactions were any different than the myriad of sportswriters out there, except maybe for Joe Posnanski (sp?).

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember reading that he was with Posnanski

when they visited the Joe and the Media class at PSU during the week after “It.” Just saw a few tweets by one of the students in the class but he gave the impression he fell more along the lines of Posnanski, but not nearly as eloquent or strongly.

I haven’t read anything he’s written about it.

by psu87intn on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Very interesting.

maybe he didn’t want to voice his support for JoePa because he was worried about the reactions of his bosses at Yahoo! Posnanski, being older and more established, doesn’t care about stuff like that.

Forde’s articles have always been a good read and he’s usually been pretty fair, so maybe he didn’t follow the herd.

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I just read the current piece

And he’s failed in the sense of not grasping what the PSU community is all about—not understanding what the “riots” were really in response to. (And I’m not saying they were right—but it’s not nearly as simple as “outsiders” want it to be.)

I will be looking forward to Posnanski’s stuff, should he write about it someday. Based on his other stuff, I trust him to at least try to grasp the complexity of the situation.

by psu87intn on Jan 6, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm actually shocked

that people think there was a mass riot of people who were very angry that Joe Paterno could no longer coach and wanted to demonstrate. Sure, some people were upset about that, and most were still upset and confused at the whole thing. But what it was was an “event” – people went out because people were going out. Dudes did meathead things because if they weren’t flipping a news van, they’d have probably thrown furniture out of a 3rd story window or done something else stupid. I know because I did stuff like that all the time in college, for absolutely not reason. When you’re in college and immature and afraid, it’s fun to cause havoc, and especially to do it in groups.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Riots?

If that was what kids call riots today, they should be ashamed. 2001 basketball’s win over North Carolina was a substantially bigger “riot” than that was, and WE WON.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember a riot post-UNC

Now granted that year is an alcohol-fueled haze, but I do distinctly remember that there were no riots post-UNC because that game was played the day after St. Patrick’s and most were too hurt to drink, let alone riot. The big riot was a week later, after a Sweet 16 loss to Temple.

But I 100% agree w. your premise – that was a weak excuse for a riot. The NCAA b-ball and Arts Fest riots were actual riots.

by PhilaLion on Jan 6, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm, Temple was bigger.

But I was certain from my Penn Tower perch that there was one post-UNC, too. Eh, could be time and Yuengling warping memory.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Just discussing this with someone at work

His recollection was showing up sober with a huge crowd near Acme Pizza (dearly departed), but no mayhem. Mayhem following Temple… As I said, definite haze in my memory. Either way, there sure as hell wasn’t ESPN there to blow it out of proportion. And I don’t remember burning couches so we’re not WVU!

by PhilaLion on Jan 6, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Then again

A riot on Temple’s campus would probably be one of the nicest and more pleasant events that have happened on that hell-hole of a campus in the past 60 years or so.

Run.

by Bob Sacamano on Jan 6, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I wrote about that in a separate post yesterday...

A lot of those kids were just milling around. And there were much less being violent and aggressive. The national media totally distorted it, it was nothing compared to the Arts Fest riots…

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I always liked him

and hope he didn’t. I sort of boycotted everyone who did.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here...

I don’t read anyone anymore, just BSD and everyone else here…

I also am looking forward to Posnanski’s piece, if he does end up publishing something on this.

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

There's nothing more likely to put me squarely in BO'Bs corner

than the media predicting his failure. Forde’s “career assistant” remark in particular.

by CvilleLion on Jan 6, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

My position is...

They are not ALL bad..just most of them. Forde, even when he was at ESPN, was pretty even handed, unlike say Mark Kneown (who I absolutely hate).

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Ask yourselves a question...

Lately, when has ESPN broken a story before Yahoo or the blogosphere/twitterverse?

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Jan 6, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

It helps that supposedly

JAWS was involved in the hiring process, if Pat Forde is right. But is he ever?

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If JAWS really had their fucking ear...

/brain explodes, leaks through eye sockets

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If JAWS had their ear

and they were telling lettermen to get fucked…O DIO MIO

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If JAWS had their ear

that means Gruden was nearby, and they’re REALLY deaf now

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, JAWS.

JAWS.

JAWS.

WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT HIS OPINION ON ANYTHING?

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't believe it

Why in the world would the seek him out? I have a hard time thinking he sought them out.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Supposedly he's friends with someone on the search committee

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Lubert lives in Philly

Jaws I think lives in the Philly area and is involved in business ventures. Wouldn’t be surprised if they knew each other through something.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Co-partners with Bon Jovi on an Arena Football team?

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Jesus H. Christ

So much for the aura of Ira Lubert

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He keeps a pretty low profile

and spends a lot of time at his house in the islands.

I doubt he’s hanging out at Jaws’ house, but who knows.

365 beers from 365 different breweries in 365 days. Game on.
http://www.blognamedbrew.blogspot.com/

by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea

I was just speculating that IF Jaws was consulted at all, that could possibly be the connection. Or it could be something else. Or he could not have been consulted at all. Or he could have been consulted after they had been seriously looking into O’Brien as a “hey, you know the NFL really well – can this guy coach?” Who knows?

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I imagine

the search committee just threw some darts at a dartboard, rather than consult with anyone for advice, let alone Jaws.

365 beers from 365 different breweries in 365 days. Game on.
http://www.blognamedbrew.blogspot.com/

by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the way I put it

talking to a reputable expert in his field (as Jaws really is – he does know his shit) about someone before hiring them would actually be a positive move. Consulting him on the whole search would be stupid and insulting, but asking him his opinion on something that falls within his expertise would have been smart.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

NOT JAWS DAMMIT, NOT JAWS!

Maybe an expert in the field, but NOT JAWS.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

"We'll take....

the n*****S and the c^^^^s but no Irish!…grumble, grumble, grumble…Oh, prairie shit, everybody!"

"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."

by DerryPharmer on Jan 6, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the kind of thing Pat Forde would make up only if he was looking for a way to piss me off specifically.

“I need to write something that will piss off WorldBFat today.”

I actually find it easier to believe that someone on the committee thought JAWS would be a good person to ask about candidates.

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

(that fucker got me too good with that wikipedia highjinks)

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

HE IS THE ARCHITECT OF THE PHILADELPHIA SOUL!

And was also the Grand Marshall in what looked like the world’s saddest victory parade.

Run.

by Bob Sacamano on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So a Yo'Town State guy

gets more input than Penn State guys?

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the conversation went like this

Joyner: I’d like to move us right along to a Bill O’Brien. Now we had a chance to meet this young man, and boy that’s just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Mmmmmmmm....

yeah, I’m going to have to go ahead and disagree with you.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 6, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I just can't seem to wrap my head around this interviewing process

So this hiring committee took their sweet old time over a few months to carefully find candidates, interview a whole bunch of them (I hope), and then all of a sudden O’Brien walks through the door, they interview him and immediately LOSE THEIR MINDS IN EXCITEMENT and hire him on the spot? Seems a bit…odd.

by TheWrathofQBEagles on Jan 6, 2012 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, really

Even if plans A through KK fell through, you’d have to think someone with a better resume still would have liked the job.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really Arrington and Short have this much passion now-

I’m curious to know where it was as they dropped three straight games to finish the ’99 reular season, inculding two 200 yard rushers in the same game?

On Moye's return-
Dad- "Captian Moye. Love it. A Todd Moules moment"
Me-"Not Todd Moules- Marco Rivera coming into the Illinois game in 94- solidified the line, sparked the comeback"
Dad- "Moye for President"

by NEPA_Lions on Jan 6, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Alright, alright

let’s stop eating our young.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm all in on this hire

Maybe its a false hope to put the past two months behind me- but if the bandwagon needs a new driver, count me in. If we need to stop and let off some folks- so be it. I don’t care how big your name may be- I’ll be back in section EJ come September.

For the record- only blue kool- aid on this bus

Apollo was like my son. I raised him. And when he died a part of me died. But now you're the one. You're the one that's gonna keep his spirit alive. You're the one that's gonna make sure that he didn't die for nothing. Now you're gonna have to go through hell. Worse than any nightmare you ever dreamed. But in the end, I know you'll be the one standing.

by NEPA_Lions on Jan 6, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

the twin 200 yarders

was aqainst sparty in ’97

get your defensive #EPICFAILS right :)

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Sedrick Irvin &....

who again?

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Marc Renaud?

Sigh

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

big sigh

I still had a fun weekend in deetroit city that weekend anyway.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

tj duckett

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I forgot about Duckett

Bigger sigh. I’ve tried to “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind” that out of myself for, uh, 15 years now. Thanks for the correction.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

ha!

Was thinking Renaud didn’t sound right. But was also remembering the amount of drank consumed that weekend so it kinda washed.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I just remembered he was a big deal at the time.

I kinda thought Duckett came later.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm 90% sure it was duckett

and i believe he was a frosh

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

You’re totally right. On both counts. Sobs uncontrollably

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I must have those two stinkers married in my mind

Thanks for the correction.

Apollo was like my son. I raised him. And when he died a part of me died. But now you're the one. You're the one that's gonna keep his spirit alive. You're the one that's gonna make sure that he didn't die for nothing. Now you're gonna have to go through hell. Worse than any nightmare you ever dreamed. But in the end, I know you'll be the one standing.

by NEPA_Lions on Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

no problem

stinkers they indeed were

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

poohy bottoms!

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this too soon?

Be careful which part of the anatomy you reference- those were Sandusky defenses…

Apollo was like my son. I raised him. And when he died a part of me died. But now you're the one. You're the one that's gonna keep his spirit alive. You're the one that's gonna make sure that he didn't die for nothing. Now you're gonna have to go through hell. Worse than any nightmare you ever dreamed. But in the end, I know you'll be the one standing.

by NEPA_Lions on Jan 6, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

But never with pooh!

That was strictly JoePa domain.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

We may all be pissed about this hire and everything that has transpired, but in no way shape or form am I going to “take down my psu memorabilia and wipe my hands clean”. Fuck that noise. Shows Lavar’s true dedication, or lack thereof.

by pf289 on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

I’m really uncomfortable with what Lavar and Short are saying. They look like whiny little babies to me. Feel free to say you’re disappointed with the coach and the process, and that you question his commitment or whatever, but don’t act like a 5 year old throwing their toys around the room.

by TheWrathofQBEagles on Jan 6, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Listening to Boston sports radio

Felger: “How do you feel about losing O’Brien?”
Mazzarotti: “Uh, I’m not worried about it at all. Maybe we can get Josh McDaniels back, that would be great.”
Felger: “Yeah maybe we could have a real coordinator back in there.”

I’m feeling even better about this hiring now.

by TheWrathofQBEagles on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

Eh, Bastin Tahmy never cares.

Superbahl arr bust, pissahs!

"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."

by MainLion on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Tammm Brady...

doesn’t needa an offensiva coordinata.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 6, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anybody know if the players have been told about this yet?

I keep hearing reports that they haven’t even been told yet and of course have to hear it from Twitter and the MSM. (I know, shocking with how well PSU has handled things to this point)

by GMac14 on Jan 6, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

It's actually a secret

Don’t ruin it. SHHhhh

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would they hold a press conference on wildcard Saturday?

When all the networks will be focused on the NFL? Do they want people to not watch?

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Jan 6, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably.

They may just be ashamed that it has come to this, but realize a press conference should probably happen.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn sensitive laptop touchpad! (twice on one freakin' post!)

Anyway… As a member of the Mount Nittany Conservancy I can assure you they will not be allowed access to the secret fort to announce this, this, this… catastrophe.

*

by Smee on Jan 6, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm
Do they want people to not watch?

Exactly, they don’t. First rule of PR: bury bad news on the weekend. Mildly surprised they didn’t announce this at 5:30pm on Friday.

365 beers from 365 different breweries in 365 days. Game on.
http://www.blognamedbrew.blogspot.com/

by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

They haven't announce it yet.

They may never announce it. He’ll just show up at spring practice.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine by me.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This would be hilarious

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

There is one man whose input they could have used...

… and that was Joe Paterno. Instead, they burnt that bridge*.

*I do think out of love for the University, Joe would have been more than willing to offer his two cents on the coaching search, but I’m sure they’ve distanced themselves from him.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Jan 6, 2012 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

They couldn't publicly say that they even talked to him

Everyone would have penned articles that Joyner was a Paterno puppet, etc. etc. Sad, but true.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually Russ publicly said he wanted Joe's input

I imagine that didn’t go over too well. Erickson (I think) later specifically said Joe was not consulted.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Notice

you never heard anything again from Russ Rose on this search?

365 beers from 365 different breweries in 365 days. Game on.
http://www.blognamedbrew.blogspot.com/

by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't he on vacation now?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The Running Man references

Will always win my recs. Bravo!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well played.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

do we honestly feel entitled to know if Russ Rose was consulted or not on this?

do we expect real time updates about the thoughts and tendencies of who may or may not be searching for a head coach?

I mean, I get that we as a PSU community don’t go through football coaching searches very often, but damn….

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends

Was he named as part of the search committee? Then yes. I didn’t name Russ Rose as part of the search committee. If they didn’t want his opinion, why include him on it?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

he was the only one on the comittee i trusted

would have been nice to hear something other than silence after he said the most appropriate thing in this whole mess.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't feel entitled to know every detail of the committee's discussions

or to have regular updates about progress. But I do feel entitled to not be lied to, and if they formed a “committee” only to have two guys make all the decisions, then I sort of feel lied to.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm chooing not to speculate on how this whole thing went down.

Lubert and Joyner may be the mad scientist illuminati behind all PSU decisions for all I know, but I don’t think so. Those men answer to people.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm telling you,

it’s the reptilian humanoid thing.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't focus on anything else

It’s similar to ‘follow the money’, but it’s follow the power. And while this maybe could be kinda true:

Those men answer to people.
At some point in the Power maze, the buck does actually stop. It’s very like wrestling: while for a long time, there might always be somebody out there better, at some point the winner is the absolute best and there are no more opponents.

This Board’s structure (some elected, some appointed, some something in between) and makeup may actually be diverse, but it’s performance to date has been remarkably singular. And a group of 40+ people rarely (like if EVER) operate like that unless the Power is chiseled down to a very very few and it is unmistakable.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Einhorn is Finkle; Finkle is Einhorn...

EINHORN IS A MAN!!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I see serious structural issues

flowing largely from the fact that the majority serve at the pleasure of the governor.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I cannot wait until we do

However long down the road it is.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Just as a random side note......

I watched a bit of ESPN today and saw PSU on the bottom line. It talked about O’Brien being the next head coach and had some of the negative quotes from LaVar and Short, but you know what wasn’t on there? Anything about the scandal. And for all the negativity and angst toward an outside hire, that’s why one had to be made. Because it was the only way that……“was a part of PSU coaching staff while Sandusky was there”……wouldn’t be a direct quote/follow up to who got hired.

by GMac14 on Jan 6, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

Well I'm sure people would have been offended because of your team allegiance

but it’s just the truth. And Chris has been saying this since the beginning. There was NO WAY that a person on the staff was getting hired for this position. The only way that the scandal conversation to at least not be apart of every PSU conversation was to bring in somebody else. It doesn’t mean this person has to denounce the past or anything, but the university has to try and move forward.

by GMac14 on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

O'Brien finishing what he started with the Patriots

Why wouldnt he want to see the playoff run through? I respect his decision to stay and not jump ship when a coaching staff needs its offensive coordinator most – the playoffs. I hope he shows as much dedication to the nitts. We have to see past this years recruiting class and hope he can really string it together for us in the near future.

Go lions!

The Buffalo Billy Goats .. and the Ice Goats

by BillyGoats_DC on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

I know, right

People screaming Loyalty! Commitment! If he doesn’t COMMIT to us then I’m not supporting him. He made a commitment to the Patriots and he’s seeing that through, like he should.

A lot of people are embarrassing themselves today.

by coop247 on Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

When you accept a new job.

You change your commitment.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Not until you finish current business

I put in my two weeks notice and I make sure to finish up any outstanding projects and make sure my job is done.

So because we have to wait a week or two for him to give 100% instead of 50% youre going to kill the guy?

by coop247 on Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Or a month

and after the recruiting time is over. Yeah….no.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

New Job >>> Old Job

more male than the post office

by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the Patriots suck.

Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?

by psuphysicist on Jan 6, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Like you two.

If you are not available to do the job, you shouldn’t be hired.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

So only hire the unemployed?

I’m glad to hear you were dead set against Munchak, or Golden, or anyone currently employed.

by coop247 on Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Munchak would be available right now

So would Golden, since he doesn’t have playoffs for da U. I fail to see your point.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Jan 6, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

He is an offensive coordinator for a team that needs one so badly

They didn’t even have one the last two years. Hell, VACANT probably has a better college pedigree.. Is it too late to see if he’s available?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No,

Munchak and Golden, and any other college coach would now be available.

See how easy that was?

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

The PSU plane to Boston is now “delayed”:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N77CV

I prefer to think that it’s because Dave Joyner is hanging by his underwear on a hook in a janitor’s closet, while D.J. Dozier laughs hysterically.

by Chris Grovich on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I hope

someone is kicking joyner in the nuts, over and over and over….

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe a few years ago

but now he is old, grey, and spineless.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm picturing that scene from Casino Royale

where Daniel Craig says “now the whole world knows you scratched my balls”

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

RE: Kicking Joyner in the nuts

I’d prefer if it were handled this way:
“Lay your nuts laying on a fucking dresser and bang them shits with a spiked fucking bat.”
/bsd ain’t nothin’ to ’eff with

Run.

by Bob Sacamano on Jan 6, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess I'm getting my sense of humor back.

I laughed out loud at that one.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

that's funny

picturing Tim Manoa nearby with a cane at the ready

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Jan 6, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You have been...

on another plain with this BoB stuff. Kudos good sir.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 6, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

I helped DJ Dozier carry a cooler out of a bar last year (Alum Assoc HH prior to the Indy game at Fedex) and dude is vital and thick. Now, of course Joyner was a star grappler, but there’s what, a 25 year age difference between them?

Would be a compelling matchup to observe.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And yes

Introduction of swords would totally swing the betting lines.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Reasonable response:

“Posluszny noted that O’Brien needs to spend time learning about Penn State’s traditions and history, and he’s confident the new coach will do so. It would be “beneficial,” Posluszny said, for O’Brien to hire assistants and staff who previously have worked at Penn State.

Although the initial reaction to the hiring hasn’t been positive, Posluszny thinks fans, alumni and former players eventually will give O’Brien a chance. If O’Brien reaches out, Posluszny is more than willing to help the new coach.

“That’s what we have to do,” he said. “I obviously wanted Tom Bradley to get the job, but if this is the decision that’s been made, trust me, I want Penn State to be successful and continue on to regain some of the glory that’s been lost because of everything surrounding the situation. I’m hoping that O’Brien has the abilities to do that.”"

by Pallet on Jan 6, 2012 3:08 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Poz is right

I hope thats what he does. That would go a long way to allaying many fears people have.

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he can reach out on his lunch breaks?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say dinner breaks

but I doubt Belichek gives him both dinner and lunch breaks.

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Poz is right

What else is new?

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not going to set the guy's house in Boalsburg on fire

However, I’m sad that we had to “settle” for our hire. I’m sure Poz is too.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Just now on OTL

John Barr reports that in a conversation with a member of the search committee, the member says he was not aware of the selection of O’Brien. So not even the whole search committee was in on this.

by bubba0077 on Jan 6, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

If there is one thing I believe

This is it.

Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?

by psuphysicist on Jan 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

no offense, but I will have a good good long laugh if O'Brien is not the hire.

with this and the other posts, there have been at least 3,000 comments about the “hiring of BOB.”

started with WTF, pitchfork stabby stabby, torch burn burn and has “moved to hatin on Joyner but give the guy a chance” to wherever you/we are going from here.

if all that angst (“now 200% MORE!!”) was/is for naught …. there’s nothing else to do but laugh and go back to lamenting how long the coaching search is taking and bemoaning the impact on the recruiting class.

by WarBuck46410 on Jan 6, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, it's been confirmed that they have a press conference tomorrow

Which will be related to the couching search. I guess it’s possible that they announce a different candidate, but all signs are pointing to this being accurate.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point they would deny it if it weren't true.

I mean even these ass holes can’t be that deaf.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless this is some absolutely crazy smokescreen

Yeah, you would think they would have said something.

And I don’t think this is a smokescreen.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Where was this? Can't find it.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know that it has been reported by news

But it was in one of the fanposts. Someone called to cancel season tickets and was told by the customer service rep that she couldn’t confirm or deny the hiring, but there would be a press conference tomorrow to address it.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

OH MY GOD......

THAT’S AL GOLDEN’S MUSIC!!!!

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!!

THAT’S GOTTA BE MUNCHAK!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't be surprised if they announce they've hired a couch

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I thought you guys would have been super excited we picked a new coach

he coached in the NFL too! How cool is that? And for the Patriots. I just watched their Superbowl win over Carolina. Oh man, how intense was that! Anywho, he said he’s gonna swing by once he gets his stuff packed up. Luckily there isnt anything too important going on! Right?!

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally legit

First order of business the search committee concluded back in early Dec was: timeframe. We all agree there is none? All in favor say aye!
/joyner, lubert say aye
//russ rose mumbles from behind his gag

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I certainly agree.

But nothing would surprise me at this point. Everything has been handled so badly.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Shocking.

SHOCKED.

365 beers from 365 different breweries in 365 days. Game on.
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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Over at 24/7

someone is saying that on ESPN’s OTL Bradley’s lawyer said that Joyner told him no decision has been made. Anyone else see this?

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jan 6, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL I might need to find some acid

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This is all Worldbfats fault

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You might.

Strong liquor might not cut it after today…

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jan 6, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If that's the case

Quick, someone go change Munchak’s wiki page. Maybe we can sway this thing yet.

by ppfcpp on Jan 6, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

/orders a vat of miso soup

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I need to know what two people think:

Jack Ham and Franco Harris.

Are they running silent and deep or has anyone heard anything?

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

YOU NEED TO KNOW NOTHING!!

Penn State will tell you what you need to know. And when. Penn State will tell you what you need to know and when. That is all.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Fine . . .

So long as they hire a Humphrey Bogart impersonator to deliver the news in person by grabbing me by one shoulder, backhanding me across the face, and shouting “and you’re going to LIKE it!”

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Deal.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

better yet

re-animated corpse of Bogart. More authentic

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

These reptilian humanoids could make it happen I'm sure.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So word on Jack Ham

He was what, 2 years older than Joyner? I’m thinking Ham was a SR & Joyner was a soph or frosh.

I’ve never read anything about Jack Ham and wrestling tho, so no idea what relationship, if any, he has with Lubert.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how the last 24 hours would be if I was tripping balls like Raoul Duke?

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Better.

Maybe then it would make sense!

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Fear and Loathing on BSD

Or how about just “BSD on LSD”

If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris

by carolinaeasy on Jan 6, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You ever see the back of a twenty dollar bill... on weed?

Oh, there’s some crazy shit, man. There’s a dude in the bushes. Has he got a gun? I dunno! RED TEAM GO, RED TEAM GO.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Miso soup on acid will change your life.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Til Joyner shows up samurai at our tailgate

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Why was Bradley’s lawyer meeting with Dozier, Short, and Joyner in Old Main this afternoon? Any ideas?

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Jan 6, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

this is per Ben's tweet, btw

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Jan 6, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

Bradley is under contract right? So a buyout or something maybe?

"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt

by HighFlyers on Jan 6, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What'd that have to do with Dozier and Short?

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No idea as to that

"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt

by HighFlyers on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If Bradley stayed on a DC, for even a year...

And those guys got on board with the hire, it would go a long way in calming everybody down, don’t you think?

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

what if bradley is the hire

and BOB coming in as OC?

Friday Dreamin’

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

not that BOB is my OC dream

but that would be a dream of how this mess is where it is right now

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

My quiet hope...

Has been splash hire to be named later, and all of these NFL people were folks they were talking to about coordinator positions.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Right... Right...

And BOB’s agent thought they meant the head coaches job! Whew, that would be some silliness.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do I get the feeling that something has gone horribly wrong?

Ryan Beckler tweeted:

According to ESPN, Dave Joyner looked Tom Bradley’s attorney in the eye and told him that an official decision has not been made.

Hopefully that wasn’t a quote from today.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless he's getting all technical with "official decision"

which would be snake-like.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That would never happen

/rolls eyes

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by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 6, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

No, there are other possibilities

Like Joyner made a verbal promise to O’Brien that he intended to break and O’Brien told everyone it was in the bag. Now he’d have to decide whether to actually hire him or go back out into the media and tell everyone it’s a mistake. That would be a CIRCUS.

I think the best situation for everyone is for Joyner to have just lied to the attorney. It would also jive best with preconceived notions.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The best thing for everyone

would be if Joyner was removed from this all together.

by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh a Circus?

Whats that like?

Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?

by psuphysicist on Jan 6, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh my god, lies are so part of this kind of process

Even if Joyner said in his first presser: ’I’m committed to doing things the right way.’

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

LOLOLOL

could this get any more ridiculous?

On a serious note, maybe Joyner has seen the insane amount of backlash and is re-thinking things.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jan 6, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

is it reasonable

to be even more pissed if all this goes down only to have them tell us they haven’t hired BOB? That just seems like incompetence to the absolute extreme.

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it really IS the mother of all smokescreens...

…nah.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jan 6, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

But amusement seems like a more enjoyable course of reaction.

jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.

by jtothep on Jan 6, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It would certainly be a mix of the two.

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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oxymoron would imply

that ESPN is anything BUT incompetent.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

youre right

redundancy is what i was looking for… redundancy is the winner

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Then again

Maybe O’brien thinks he got the job, but Joyner wasn’t clear, so his plan is to just show up.

Yesterday at Pats Training Complex:

O’Brien -“I show up! I pretend I have the job. The guy’s on vacation. If I have the job, it’s fine. If I don’t have the job, by the time he comes back I’m ensconced.”
Brady – “Hmmmmm…. Not bad.”
O’Brien – “What’s the worst thing that could happen?”
Brady – “Well, you’d be embarrassed and humiliated in front of a large group of people and have to walk out in shame with your tail between your legs.”
O’Brien – “Yeah, so?”
Brady – “Yeah, I see what you mean. I forgot who I was dealing with.”

by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt

by HighFlyers on Jan 6, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

he then stated

We are waiting to see if Tim Tebow is available

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What. The. Fuck.

I am going to chalk this up the shitty reporting by ESPN.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

So true

And honestly at this point it has become comical in that “Well we’re screwed anyway, might as well enjoy the ride” sort of way.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch what you say

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

If I've learned anything in the past two months...

…it is that this statement is wrong.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It gets worse.

It always gets worse.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like in every cartoon or movie ever.

“How could this day get any worse?”

Thunderclap Pours Rain

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

And then, depression set it.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

There is an individual rain cloud

over every Penn Stater that follows us around.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.. No..

It’s only gotten worse.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.

by chocochuck02 on Jan 6, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the mindset necessary

for ignition of any righteous social movement activity.

We are already dead . . ..

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

to get the map

that leads them to maze which ends at a payphone, which when used in conjuction with the special cyphers they were given, gives them a number to call to tell them that they are fired.

I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN

by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok mam you’re gonna go to the Texaco station.
Take a right. Go 5 and a half miles southeast.
You’re gonna see a guy in a yellow poncho. His name is Hank.
He’ll take you to the whopper Lair. That’s where you go.
And you’ve got 10 minutes to get there or we take your food!

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn it.

What’s that from? I can’t think of it.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Dane Cook

[stands back to watch the real vitriol begin]

I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN

by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

it was

besides, half the people here are pissed already, let the other half join in on the fun.

I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN

by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

BK Lounge!

I don’t care what any of you think. Dane Cook was hilarious.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved Dane

during the early ’00s. Saw him at the BJC in ’04. His very first Comedy Central special was freaking comedy gold. Screw you all.

by TheWrathofQBEagles on Jan 6, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that being a funny bit.

But I’m not really a fan.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

but i thought the coaches hasn’t been notified…

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

the plane tracker thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense

O’Brien was on campus yesterday to interview for the position, right? So, is this plane taking him away from campus?

Seeing as O’Brien has confirmed the rumor to his boss (Kraft), I have no reason to doubt it. The plane thing just seems kind of strange.

by newenglandnittanylion on Jan 6, 2012 3:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The PSU plane heading to Boston that was delayed

is in the air and has been diverted to Bedford, MA. Curious.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jan 6, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really

That’s Hanscom Air Base, where a lot of private planes land. As someone said earlier, Logan is not the ideal place to land for a small private plane.

/local knowledge ftw

by TheWrathofQBEagles on Jan 6, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Someone above said it’s Boston’s version of Teterboro, which is pretty much correct.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems weird they wouldn't use Norwood.

Which is where most south of the city private plane’s land. Although I guess it could be booked.

Leaders Co-Champions

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I just realized

I’ll be playing an indoor soccer game across the street from Hanscom tomorrow afternoon. Perhaps I should infiltrate the airport and kidnap BOB.

by TheWrathofQBEagles on Jan 6, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It's been interdicted by SAC?

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you get the feeling that Joyner is a Mayan

and his thoughts on the process are “What’s the point?”

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 4:04 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Maybe his intention...

…is to rip out O’Brien’s still beating heart as a sacrifice to the football gods. Then he’ll eat it, to gain strength to make the actual hire.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

KALI MA...KALI MA...

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jan 6, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Look.

If you’re serious about your god, you should be able to eat a raw human heart. And possible smear some entrails on a wide hipped virgin for fertility purposes. It’s all about standards.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Jan 6, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

More than standards,

it’s about commitment.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I just want to add this because it's got me laughing

The person on the ESPN boards that goes by the handle “m_mckinley” is saying he was at a meeting today and Joyner said no decision has been made yet and confirmed that O’Brien has an interview with Jacksonville tomorrow. El Oh El. Make of it what you will, I have no idea if this character is for real. But the hysteria of the situation has got me laughing for some reason.

by CyphaPSU on Jan 6, 2012 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

I’ve been on that ESPN board for months now. He was 99% sure it was gonna be a top-5 hire until two days ago. Then yesterday, it dropped to 20% because the big-name’s wife had concerns. He’s either “reporting” what’s already been said or making stuff up that’s impossible to verify. He claims to have written the contracts for 4 potential hires. He “broke” (after it was tweeted by others) that there would be meetings today with the coaches and players.

It’s insane how many people are gripping onto his every word. But the guy’s no troll, and can carry on intelligent conversation. When people attack him, he just lets it slide off.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

the fact that any of you are on ESPN boards is donconcerting to me

and i dont mean that as a PERSONAL ATTACK! I mean it in a fatherly “im disappointed” way

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This was the board for the TicketCity bowl.

Not a lot of trolling at all, surprisingly. I went there initially to see what Cougars fans were thinking, and got sucked into following how everyone was following this m_mckinley guy. I stayed well clear during the game itself and the day after. But by now, there’s no one there other than PSU fans so the environment is pretty tolerable.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Jan 6, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm on there now and laughing hysterically.

You are correct. Everyone believes every word that guy says. Pretty funny.

I used to frequent the ESPN boards before becoming fed up with the trolls. I much rather chill out here.

_______________________

by Swiggs on Jan 6, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

For sure, the guy

writes stuff that inherently framed in such a way that makes it virtually impossible to verify the validity from an outsiders’ position even after an announcement were to take place.

by CyphaPSU on Jan 6, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Save us Shahid Khan

You’re our only hope.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jan 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me answer that for you
I have no idea if this character is for real

NO.

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

replay fail

That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.

by Nittany_Ryan on Jan 6, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't be said enough, IMO.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jan 6, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Joyner

Punchable face or most punchable face?
Discuss:

Run.

by Bob Sacamano on Jan 6, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd punch him in the face

but I have no doubt whatsoever that he’d wreck my world, even at his advanced age.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Jan 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a long thread so sorry if this has been said.

i would not could not in my bed
I would not could not on my shed

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

We need a new thread.

Scrolling is getting dodgy. Don’t make me fire up the Mac.

by CvilleLion on Jan 6, 2012 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

We need a new AD.

AT LEAST TELL US SOMETHING!!!

Leaders Co-Champions

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 6, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

"Don’t make me fire up the Mac."

That’s what 11 tells himself every Saturday in the fall.

Run.

by Bob Sacamano on Jan 6, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"Make me fire up the Mac"

Is what it will change to when he graduates and works as assistant manager at McDonald’s on Sunday afternoons

by swiggy04 on Jan 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't make me fire up the MAC-10.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Jan 6, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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