Emails with Tom Bradley
by lexi1031 on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 PM EST
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PrintI sent an email to Tom Bradley and he responded within 15 minutes. It pains me that he probably wont be part Penn State next year but I wanted to share the emails. Let's try to remember what he wants for Penn State.
Coach,
I just wanted to write to you and let you know that is has been such an honor to watch you take over this embattled football team. The past few months have been the most trying time in PSU history. You have handled yourself with class and grace and have only thought about the better of Penn State. If the rumors about the new head coach are true, I will be deeply disappointed that the search committee did not take into account what Penn State really stands for. Penn State is more than football, more than a scandal, more than what the press write about us. WE ARE family. WE ARE strong. WE ARE success with honor. WE ARE STILL PENN STATE! And that is what you stand for. If the search committee cant see that, then I feel sorry for them.
I truly hope that you will continue within the Penn State family but 100% understand if you don't. Thank you for everything you have done not only for this football team, but also for this school and this fan base.
Always rooting for the good guys.
His response...
Alexis,
You are as deserving as thanks as I am. You stood by a group of young men and a team when others spurned us - you have my sincerest appreciation for that.
My only request is that you all continue to cheer as loudly and support Penn State Football as you have in the past. It is truly a wondrous place, a place I love dearly, and it is largely that way because people like you support it.
Thank you - Tom
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Dammit so much
This is the guy we need around.
Consider this my official declaration of non-support of child molestation.
by 06Lion on Jan 6, 2012 1:16 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
I agree, BUT...
I think he’s too much of a liability. If he had any inkling as to what was going on with Jerry then he is too much of a liability. It’s a shame to see a true Penn Stater, a man who appears to have real integrity, so go out like this, but if he is even tangentially involved in the scandal it would destroy any shred of credibility that the University administration is holding on to.
by HorseKick2008 on Jan 6, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Chances of that are zilch.
If he was involved in any significant way, he would’ve been called to testify and his name would’ve been included with McQueary and Paterno by now. Again, to me, it is just cowardly PR.
Consider this my official declaration of non-support of child molestation.
by 06Lion on Jan 6, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
he did testify to the Grand Jury
So did Jay. I agree that it is the easy way out to use “he was here was JS way”
"There are too many Irish guys on this team"
Joesph Vincent Paterno
April, 2010
Yeah
In the midst of a university-wide leadership void, they choose to let a proven leader go. That’s a major dammit. What a class act. Thanks Tom Bradley, and if you can see your way clear to sticking around just a bit longer, who knows what may come.
In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them
by PSUMarine78 on Jan 6, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
We threw a truly great Penn Stater under the bus
Because our BoT doesn’t have the backbone to do what is best for our university.
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
by millzners on Jan 6, 2012 1:20 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
We threw a(nother) truly great Penn Stater under the bus.
Consider this my official declaration of non-support of child molestation.
by 06Lion on Jan 6, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 23 recs
Thank you for sharing this email.
Makes me feel good about Penn State and terrible about Penn State all at the same time.
by dontcallmescooter on Jan 6, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions
Damn
I’m gonna be a fan of whatever team he goes to. What a human being.
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by skarocksoi on Jan 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
The treatment of Paterno
and Bradley really make it hard for me to think about PSU right now.
by FB6244 on Jan 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I honestly got tears in my eyes when I read his response.
My heart hurts for the “good guys” involved in this mess who were just run over.
I litterally starting crying…. and I’m at work… so that’s embarassing…
Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson
by belbijou on Jan 6, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Same here.
Can’t blame it on cutting onions when there’s no onions near my desk.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Tie one to your belt. You'll always be prepared.
more male than the post office
by WorldBFat on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Didn't that used to be 'the style'?
Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®
by leeharvey418 on Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Class.
Pure class.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
by LB31Monster on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Damn, there I go getting choked up again.
true disciple of Joe Paterno, staying positive and deflecting any credit to himself.
thank you for sharing lexi1031
"a Pride of Lions that is Penn State football. All of us - players, coaches, students, alumni & fans - are in the Pride. And once in, you never get out." - Jay Paterno
by double_e33 on Jan 6, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Could you please share Tom Bradley's email?
I think there are many of us that would like to send him a note of appreciation.
"a Pride of Lions that is Penn State football. All of us - players, coaches, students, alumni & fans - are in the Pride. And once in, you never get out." - Jay Paterno
thank you
"a Pride of Lions that is Penn State football. All of us - players, coaches, students, alumni & fans - are in the Pride. And once in, you never get out." - Jay Paterno
A Damn Shame
In my mind, I will always think of this sorry episode as the “Happy Valley Screw Job.” (WWE fans will understand the reference). So many good people have been completely screwed over because one guy sexually abused children and the BoT didn’t have the testicular fortitude to do what was right, not what was convenient.
Coach Bradley conducted himself with class and dignity throughout this whole ordeal. In fact, the entire staff: LJSr, Vandy, even Jay, showed more love and thought about the university than the entire BoT and administration put together. They deserved better than this. The players, for the most part, showed class and dignity as well. They deserved better than this. Citizens of the Commonwealth, Fans and Alumni of the school deserved better than this. Most of all, the kids deserved better than this. By showing unique cowardice, the BoT/Governor allowed the focus to shift from the kids to the school and football team. At the end of the day, when it comes time for the BoT and Governor to be held accountable for their actions by the ultimate authority, they will have to answer for that.
Thank you Coach Bradley and the rest of the staff for your dedication to the school, team and family. Your efforts are noted and appreciated more than you know. You are, forever, Penn State.
by Keith Platt on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
What I find saddest about this whole ordeal
is that based on popular opinion, it seems that people find more justice for the victims through the punishment of the football program, Paterno and the administration than they do with Sandusky. Somehow, punishing those affiliated with Sandusky will help the victims get justice more than punishing the person who is actually accused of the allegations. It just doesn’t make sense to me that there is more outrage that the next head coach at PSU could’ve been associated with the program instead of it being concerned with the fact that Sandusky is out on house arrest and that there is no certainty he will be found guilty.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Here's what I’m struggling to comprehend.
People unaffiliated with PSU keep telling me "well, of course they couldn’t hire somebody from within". To which my response is "why not, if they are the best folks available?" And I can’t get a response out of anyone beyond "they coached with Sandusky, and the fallout would be too great".
Maybe I’m crazy, but perhaps the irrationality lies with the people who would be outraged if a current, innocent, uninvolved coach were the new HC, and not the people who support a hire from within over a ham sandwich. But here again, we get back to the meat of the situation, and that is people in power that are willing to cave to the whims of the mob.
Consider this my official declaration of non-support of child molestation.
by 06Lion on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Agree
It seems that people outside the family, especially those in the media, are more concerned with showing that they hate child molesters more than justice. But, isn’t this usually the case. Most people and media, when they heard about the Duke Lacrosse case were more concerned with showing that they were against rape/racism than justice, and we all know how that turned out.
It just sucks that, in an effort to make themselves look better (and perhaps to divert attention, as I hypothesized in another post) the BoT, media and people in general have to crap over a group of men who did not rape any children, did not conspire in the rape of any children and had nothing to do with child rape, in anyway, period.
by Keith Platt on Jan 6, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The comprehension lies in this:
Every time something new came out about Sandusky, Bradley would have to answer questions about how he could have worked that closely with that guy for that long and never suspected anything.
Every time.
The fact that so few Penn Staters grasp this point (and that to grasp it you do not need to believe Bradley guilty of anything at all other than bad timing) is amazing to me.
by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I imagine
It would be the same thing as someone asking Boeheim how he could work with Bernie Fine for 30 years and not know he was molesting employees of the team.
Or how any of the countless managers, coaches or players of the Boston Red Sox from the 1960’s through 90’s could have worked with the equipment manager for more than 30 years and not know that he was molesting employees of the team.
Or how any of the countless reporters, athletes, coaches, managers and others could work with Bill Conlin for more than 50 years and not know that he was a child molester.
by Keith Platt on Jan 6, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah
and if the university in Boeheim’s case had not acted on accusations against Fine, and Boeheim was involved in their failure to act?
Then and only then would you have a point.
by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So now you're saying Bradley is responsible for the University's inaction on Sandusky?
What?
Consider this my official declaration of non-support of child molestation.
by 06Lion on Jan 6, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No
It’s not a perfect analogue but I didn’t start the analogy either. I was just saying that it was a BAD analogy.
Cut it the hell out, guys.
by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If I owned a time machine, I'd go back
and buy your father a box of condoms and a hunting knife. Either/or would do the trick.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Jan 6, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
His mother should have swallowed.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 7, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So Because
You don’t agree with the premise, I don’t have a point.
I’m glad we’ve established that you are the God of all reason and logic. Good to know, because I must have missed that memo.
Beyond that, the bottom line is that Boeheim was in charge of the basketball team. His chief assistant was molesting his employees. If, as you say, Paterno had an obligation to follow up on the investigation involving a former employee who was accused of molesting children whom Paterno had no supervisory role over, whatsoever, then Boeheim had an obligation to follow up on the investigation involving a current employee who was accused of molesting children that Boeheim had a supervisory role over, based on their employment with the Syracuse Basketball team.
by Keith Platt on Jan 6, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Additionally, I think people forget
JoePa was hearing this accusation, but never saw the act in question. In the legal world, that is HEARSAY. Yes, I know, Hearsay is admissable in some legal proceedings, but c’mon, this guy is A HEAD FOOTBALL coach and that is all, his job is FOOTBALL. As I’ve pointed out before, do we really think he knew how to approach an accusation so vile; against one of his former assistants for Christ’s sake?? You know he was probably floored and had no idea what to do.
But he did do the right thing. JoePa’s mistake was an innocent one: He trusted those above him, Curley, Schultz & Spanier, to handle and report matters to the police. Those three should have reported the incident to police. Instead the brushed it under the rug….bringing JoePa down with them. He knew he couldn’t appropriately handle it.
My only problem with Joe’s action through all of the this has been the “following-up” issue, but that is something we don’t know about. JoePa may have followed up..but those inquiries may have been deflected by Curley & Spanier.
Finally, I still don’t believe Mike McQueary 100%…who knows what story he’s gonna tell us next. There are so many variations of his story…what can believe.
short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bullshit
Boeheim didn’t know – as far as we know. Again, this is where your analogy completely falls apart. When compared with Paterno, Boeheim didn’t know. If you’re comparing to Bradley, it doesn’t work either; Sandusky didn’t work for Bradley.
by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Wait so I haven't exactly kept up with your posts M1EK, but do you believe..
JoePa knew about Sandusky’s “acts”?
short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not Just That
He also believes that JoePa knew about Bernie Fine, the equipment manager for the Red Sox and Bill Conlin. Probably thinks JoePa was on the grassy knoll in Dallas too.
by Keith Platt on Jan 6, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, that's crazy.
short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Jan 6, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He couldn't possibly
Since McQuerey stated, UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY, that he never told Paterno specifically what he saw.
To believe that Paterno knew exactly what McQuerey saw, when McQuerey testified, UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY, that he never got specific with Paterno would be to adopt a false position simply for the purpose of agitating others, based upon a false premise.
I’m sure he is WAY above that.
by Keith Platt on Jan 6, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You geniuses
seem to be arguing against a caricature. Don’t let me stop you if that’s really what you enjoy.
But for the record, McQueary told Paterno something that Paterno himself testified UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY was “of sexual nature”.
where do you get the bs?
the alleged victim has said that Boeheim saw him in Fine’s hotel bed – it might be an allegation or conjecture – but it’s certainly not bullshit that Boeheim knew something – and his most recent statement was that he didn’t witness the alleged acts – he’s really never said he didn’t know. I’m not saying he did but your abject dismissal is, well, bullshit. He definitely knew about the accusations and kept Fine on staff – for 6 years.
by PSUgirl on Jan 6, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wait!
So you’re saying Syracuse is excluded from this since they took action against Fine? You do know that they kept him employed during a previous investigation, right? There were accusations previous to the recent ones that he molested children, and he was still employed. I think it’s a pretty apt comparison.
Penn State: 1998 allegations > No police charges > Sandusky retires
Syracuse: Previous allegations > No police charges > Fine stays employed.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 6, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
do you rec your own posts?
"There are too many Irish guys on this team"
Joesph Vincent Paterno
April, 2010
I grasp it.
That does not make it fair to punish innocent people. Doing the right thing is not always the popular thing. I would be happier with my school if they chose to do the right thing instead of what is percieved as being politically expedient.
Success with Honor (even when it is not popular)
by dontcallmescooter on Jan 6, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Agree
It’s far easier to cave to the narrow-minded invididuals who enjoy seeing people scapegoated then let the investigatory process work its way through and punish the truly guilty
by Keith Platt on Jan 6, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I missed something
But I don’t recall him ever having to answer any of those questions as the interim head coach this year. And either way, those aren’t difficult questions to answer if you truly didn’t know the guy was a monster.
Look, I get why the Board fired Paterno. I don’t agree with it at all and think it was chickenshit, but his name was attached to this Sandusky affair and it would’ve chased him during every presser until the end of his career had he been allowed to stick around. He was the sacrificial lamb to get the public to put the pitchforks away and give the university the disguise of "moving on". But Bradley has absolutely no skin in the game, as evidenced by his lack of involvement in the legal proceedings. If the AD had a backbone, he would realize that keeping Bradley and Co. is a defensible position, would maintain the tradition of the program, give us a respectable HC, keep the alumni happy, and still provide a transitional bridge if needed.
Regardless of the new HC, this Sandusky thing is going to haunt the football program. I just don’t see any way a less-regarded outsider is going to "make it go away" faster than keeping someone like Bradley around. Just because O’Brien will be on the sidelines doesn’t mean Pam Ward won’t bring the Sandusky thing up during every MACrifice for the next few seasons.
Consider this my official declaration of non-support of child molestation.
It wasn't chickenshit
Paterno forced the BoT’s hand with his retirement announcement when he said the Board “should not spend a single minute discussing [Paterno’s] status.”
The Trustees needed to reassert control over the university, since the administration obviously didn’t know what they were doing. Paterno tried to show he was more powerful than the Trustees. They proved otherwise.
I never agreed with that interpretation
of Joe’s statement being inflammatory towards the board.
Joe knew there was a lot going on that the board had to deal with. I think he honestly thought he was keeping things simple for them by announcing he was going to retire and that they didn’t need to spend any time discussing his status.
Decide if you want weather or not Joe’s retiring at the end of the season was good enough all you want, but I don’t think it was a statement of malice from Joe towards the board. Sure they may have had disagreements in the past, I just cant see Joe making THIS the time to get one last jab in.
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
by bconway6 on Jan 6, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
right, the question was whether Joe was going to be sticking around or whether he was going to leave
Joe said to the board, “you know what guys, I won’t make you make this decision, you have more important things on your plate. I’ll leave at the end of the year”
The same people who interpreted, “with the benefit of hindsight I wish I had done more” as, “I knew Sandusky was a monster and I did nothing to stop it,” seem to be the same ones who interpreted, “I won’t make the board spend another minute discussion my status” as, “All Hail King Joe. I will do whatever the fuck I want, bitches, and there’s not a single thing you can do about it. Suck it!”
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
There were only 3 games remaining in the season.
It’s not like he said in April that he would coach the upcoming season and then be done. He said it with only 3 games left. I believe he intended it as “deal with the major issues now, deal with football after. I’ll make it easy on you and retire.” Instead we were forced to deal with the problems that his offer was meant to avoid.
People that attribute it to arrogance and selfishness fail to take into account the context of the situation. Why should the administration have to worry about football, the coaching staff, etc when they have much more important issues to deal with such as administrative failure?
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 7, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
couldn't agree more.
people looking for something that wasn’t their to fit their narrow minded narrative.
Not surprised you are this credulous
Paterno also had the opportunity to offer his resignation, if he really wanted to avoid being a distraction.
by M1EK on Jan 8, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry if I don't pay attention to a word you say
but you are an ignorant jackass troll who knows absolutely nothing.
University Park police aren’t real right? Idiot.
C'mon, man!
What’s so hard about ignore?
Don’t answer that, please; it’s rhetorical. Please try to practice it, tho; these kind of reactions just perpetuate the pooh.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
Really, baconway?
Sure, I agree not a ‘statement of malice,’ but it was a power struggle statement with pretty a pretty clear challenge element in it, if you ask me.
And, now that I’m thinking about it again (and you always seem to get me to think about things freshly, so I appreciate that), I think there was a pretty clear element of ignorance in it as well. That ignorance being JoePa thinking the statement would work. Even if one doubts the clarity of the ignorance in the statement, the outcome was anything but unclear: he lost and still got canned.
I think he made it easier for them with that statement actually, but it’s also pretty clear, imho, how he arrived at making that mistake. Joe’d been spending interest & energy on holding onto power for a long time, so it was a pretty instinctive reaction. But poorly calculated, given all the circumstances. In any case, the characterization that that statement was inflammatory to the board is more than fair, imho.
jtothetweet
Yet, bag or not, it’s nigh on impossible to mistake a cat for a pig.
by jtothep on Jan 9, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Every time the answer would be the same.
Just as for anyone else who has ever known a child molester for a long time.
Unfortunately this is not a unique situation in the world. Many people have lived and worked beside child molesters without knowing for decades before something came out. That does not make them evil people supporting molestation.
Making decisions based on not having to answer certain questions in a press conference is a awful way to go. They would just be part of the scandal, the questions would be answered and we would move on. Just like we moved on every time someone asked Joe how long he was going to coach.
*aside:
I get that it may be comforting to assume that the people who were in situations to witness strange things just turned a blind eye to “obvious” signs. That makes it seem as if there is an easy to spot, directly preventable trigger to the plague of child molestation. That’s just not true.
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
Making decisions based on not having to answer certain questions in a press conference is a awful way to go. They would just be part of the scandal, the questions would be answered and we would move on. Just like we moved on every time someone asked Joe how long he was going to coach.
No, making decisions based on PR is actually part of the job of a well-run large organization that has to worry a lot about its image.
In this case, having to keep talking about the scandal over and over again would result in it being tied, however unfairly, to the current coach of PSU, making it harder for him to get recruits to come to the school, among other obvious problems.
by M1EK on Jan 6, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I understand that logic
And that was my first thought too, but as time has gone on and the irrational haters haven’t become any more rational, I’ve come to think that PSU can’t bend its policies to people who will only be satisfied if the whole program shuts down. That’s just a road to madness.
And I think it’s overstated anyway. Over the past six weeks, the press have tried to ask Bradley about the scandal and he’s politely declined to comment and that hasn’t been a big deal. I think there’s every reason to be confident that Bradley didn’t know anything and wasn’t involved because the Grand Jury felt his testimony was so inconsequential that it wasn’t even included in their report.
I get that it may be comforting to assume that the people who were in situations to witness strange things just turned a blind eye to "obvious" signs. That makes it seem as if there is an easy to spot, directly preventable trigger to the plague of child molestation. That’s just not true.
This needs to be repeated as many times as it takes for people to get it through their skulls, not so much because of the PSU situation, but for the sake of awareness in general.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 6, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Bradley
was obviously the temporary coach at that time and the media felt sorry for the giant bag of flaming excrement somebody left on his doorstep.
That doesn’t mean next year wouldn’t have been radically different with Permanent Head Coach Bradley.
In general
No, making decisions based on PR is actually part of the job of a well-run large organization that has to worry a lot about its image.
I would agree with you in this statement. If this was a fortune 500 company I’d be with you. However this particular large organization (PSU) is not just like a soul-less corporation*. This particular organization featured front and very center, values like integrity and honor. Usually those things are taught without respect to the popular thing at the time. Often those values are exactly opposite popular opinion.
*I have nothing against corporations, I like em. Just that their core values, while surely displayed in a powerpoint presentation to new hires, are not usually front and center to their mission. Which usually is to make more and better, widgets and profit.
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
Also,
In this case, having to keep talking about the scandal over and over again would result in it being tied, however unfairly, to the current coach of PSU, making it harder for him to get recruits to come to the school, among other obvious problems.
I simply cannot believe there is a way in which this does not happen anyway. Inevitably the next coach was going to be known first and foremost as the coach that took over after the scandal. Nothing on the field will be able to change that.
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
This position falls apart
by the fact that, in the two months since being named the interim head coach, I can’t recall him being asked about this once. It seems that, shockingly, the media has come to the conclusion that since Bradley wasn’t involved in the legal proceeding, that he’s not the person to ask about this. Further, virtually all of Bradley’s potential interaction with the media would involve the football team. As classless as the media has been in this whole mess, I can’t imagine that anyone would be so pitiful a human being as to bring this up in the context of a football game.
An example:
Random Media Member: "Coach Bradley, can you tell us why you decided to go for it with a pass on 4th and 1?
Bradley: “Well, the safeties were lined up in the box, expecting a run. I thought they might be susceptible to a play action pass to the tight end.”
Random Media Member: “Coach, to follow up, why didn’t you out Sandusky given the obvious signs that he was a molester of children?”
by Keith Platt on Jan 6, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Telling recruits that they actually have to earn their starting positions,
that they don’t get to receive cash from boosters, and that they actually have to attend class also makes it harder to get recruits to come to the school. But you are right, all decisions should be based on what is easiest, and not what is right.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
what a wonderful man!
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the Big Ten...or just lose the sweater vest.
It's a crime, I hope he finds success wherever he goes!
And if he ever coaches a team against PSU in the future, I will root for that team to beat PSU….even if…gasp..dare I say it…It’s Pitt or Ohio State!
We totally betrayed this guy, LJ, etc. Yes, hell, I’ll even say it..because everyone here knows that I dislike JayPa and Galen Hall as coaches…we betrayed those guys too! This is a terrible injustice, and with the choice we’ve just made for the new HC, Bradley would have been a no brainer over BO’B.
Fairwell Coach Bradley, I hope you have a great career as an HC or Assistant somewhere and can happily give us the finger in about 3 or 4 years!!
short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.
Another possibility
Is that the Sandusky thing has nothing to do with why he’s being let go and instead it’s just Joyner et al outsmarting themselves. Everything about this hire screams “fairly smart people overthinking something that they don’t really understand” so it’s possible that they had all kinds of half-baked conversations about the need for more offensive power and what not and decided they needed an HC with offensive credentials and got really fixated on that idea. I’ve seen managers, especially committees of managers, make dumb decisions like that before.
Since Bradley isn’t going to stay on for another HC, that was the end of him.
there are these things called Offensive Coordinators.
I believe Bradley is a smart enough man to have tried to get a good one of those.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Not so much the Sandusky thing
as (IMHO) the admin and BOT wanting to erase anything “JoePa” from the program. Really, I think this is a political move by these guys to ensure that the football program is put back to just being a football program and not what defines the university. I think these guys do not ever want another JoePa, in other words they don’t want another “legend” ever at the helm that might wield more power and influence than they do.
Also
where was the FOOTBALL person on this committee. Not to say that BOB isn’t going to be successful, but I’d feel a whole lot better if there was a person who knew something about FOOTBALL involved in the process.
Not the only one we've had,
and last time I checked football was a teams sport. Sounds like he went rogue on this one, with the complicity of weak committee members.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 7, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Andy Katzenmoyer was an All American as well.
If only we could have convinced OSU to use him as the sole person conducting their coaching search.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Joyner's proven to not be that cool of a guy
But he’s, to be fair, a little more educated than Katzenmoyer. Though you were probably going for hyperbole
well, partly going for hyperbole
partly just really wishing that OSU had used Big Katz as their point man for their coaching search.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
and a somewhat non-hyperbolic comment
Matt Millen was an All American. He also showed terrible judgement when making personnel decisions for the Lions.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
This is true
Again, I just was addressing the original comment. Joyner knows something about football, however much or little that may be. The test of time will show whether or not O’Brien is competent. I sure as shit hope he is, but he might now be.
I wonder when
and how Coach Bradley discovered he wasn’t the next head coach. Probably at the same time and in the same way I did. That’s what frustrates me about this process. Its a disconnect in every sense.
around the same time, yes
as apparently Joyner told his lawyer face to face this afternoon there wasn’t a decision yet.
Fire Dan Snyder
Tom will always be...
a favorite Penn Stater. With a nickname like “Scrap” he truly personified what it meant, he had Heart, Dedication, Loyalty, Honor, and handled himself so well throughout the past couple of months.
Does anyone know what # “Scrap” wore during his playing days. Would love to get a jersey in order to honor him on football weekends in the future.
by larchpsu on Jan 6, 2012 7:26 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
26.
And this is a hell of an idea. I shall do the same!
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by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 6, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This roster shows 26.
http://www.fanbase.com/Penn-State-Nittany-Lions-Football-1977/roster
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by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 7, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Funny!
The picture and the roster are on the same site and show different numbers!
I haven’t seen anything “official” that lists it.
I’ll have to call my dad after the ladies BB game and have him look it up. He has the football “yearbooks” going back to the late 60s, so it should be in the one for 1978.
I think you are correct with 25.
This photo on ebay looks like Bradley and he’s wearing 25.
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by Succss With Honor Always on Jan 7, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
If it is truly 25 that is awesome.
Was considering getting a Silas Redd jersey anyways so that is great!
That's a great idea!!
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by belbijou on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It didn’t seem to anyone like he knew he wasn’t going to get the job?
I’m an outsider here, Rutgers supporter, not Penn State, but I have always respected the institution more than any in college athletics.
Let’s look at the factors here
-Bradley contacted the Colts about a possible job in November
-Bradley interviewed for Pitt DC job in early January
Doesn’t sound like a man that thought he was going to have a job.
Also, isn’t the goal to rid of everyone that could have been involved with/friends with Jerry Sandusky? Bradley was certainly friendly with the man, so doesn’t this solve that goal?
I don’t dislike the man, but I think hiring from outside the institution is actually the right thing to do. No possible controversy, just football.
Just my 2 cents
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by Brandon C. on Jan 7, 2012 1:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha!
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by Brandon C. on Jan 7, 2012 2:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Both you and I have really messed up sleep patterns. But in any case, to actually address your above post from like three hours ago, I didn’t personally expect Bradley to have a shot. So not surprising to this second-generation PSU grad.
I don't think anyone is truly surprised
obviously some of us are disappointed, but not surprised.
Fire Dan Snyder
I didn't expect Bradley to be the next HC back in early November
I saw a list of potential replacements, and thought a lot of them would be better than Bradley. Then the HC position apparently became toxic, and they all declined. At that point it seems the search “committee” had already made up their mind against Bradley, and didn’t honestly and fairly compare him to the remaining candidates. This is how we ended up with BOB.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
There’s no time for sleep in the world these days!
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Nope, just nope.
Also, isn’t the goal to rid of everyone that could have been involved with/friends with Jerry Sandusky?
That was most certainly NOT the goal, and if it was, then I am even more disappointed with everyone involved in the coaching search. The goal should have been to find the coach best able to recruit and coach future football teams, and who has minimal moral and legal failings.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I worded that wrong, but that’s what I mean. I think being a member of Penn State’s past is less important than their capability to help Penn State’s future.
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I sent an email to Tom Bradley about 20 minutes ago. He got back to me 3 minutes later:
“Tanner,
This touched me reading this. I have been thinking a lot about Johnstown lately…about the 8th Ward and how many times I spent hanging by the railroad tracks. Thank you very much for sending this to me, I really appreciate it.
Tom"
email exchange with Tom Bradley..
MY EMAIL
Subject: Im not an eloquent man
So I guess all I can say is Thank you.
Thank you for everything you have done and everything you continue to do. You make me proud to be a Penn Stater.
You kept fighting, kept pushing, all for the school, for the community, for the alumni and fans.
I will root for whatever school is smart enough to hire you. You have at least one fan for life.
Thank you,
HIS RESPONSE
You are as deserving of thanks as I am. Thank you for standing behind a group of young men and a team when others did not – you have my sincerest gratitude for that.
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