Bill O'Brien And The Future Penn State Staff
This is going to move quickly, as Coach O'Brien fills out his staff to get a jump on what's left in the recruiting season. We know of three coaches that will be on staff, so we've got some more guessing games to play as we anxiously await who will be roaming the sidelines and occupying the coaches booth in 2012.
Having been a coach at now five universities and one pro team, O'Brien has a coaches web that spreads pretty far, so pinning down every possibility is a futile effort. Instead, we've put together some of the top candidates that might end up Nittany Lion coaches before this is all over.
First things first, the rules. NCAA regulations mandate that "[t]here shall be a limit of one head coach, nine assistant coaches and two graduate assistant coaches who may be employed by an institution in bowl subdivision football." These limitations do not apply to a strength and conditioning coach (one allowed), nor does it apply to undergraduate coaches (see, e.g., Mauti, Mike and Lee, Sean, post-injury)
In 2011, prior to the coaching shakeup, that breakdown was as follows:
| Coach | Role |
|---|---|
| Joe Paterno | HC |
| Tom Bradley | DC/CB |
| Galen Hall | OC/RB |
| Jay Paterno | OC/QB |
| Larry Johnson, Sr. | DL |
| Ron Vanderlinden | LB |
| Kermit Buggs | S |
| Dick Anderson | C/G |
| Bill Kenney | T/TE |
| Mike McQueary | WR/RC |
| Elijah Robinson | GA |
| Bill Kavanaugh | GA |
At least three things standout immediately, each of which will almost certainly be altered with the new staff. First, there were co-offensive coordinators in Galen Hall and Jay Paterno. Under Coach O'Brien, who has made it known he wants to call the plays, at least in the first year, the over/under on offensive coordinators will be set at 0.5. He could assume the OC role and not have a named coordinator, or he could name a coordinator, but reserve playcalling duties.
Second, there were two separate coaches who coached the four positions on the offensive line. Dick Anderson coached the interior offensive line, while Bill Kenney took the tackles and tight ends. This provided for logistical nightmares in strategic planning, cohesion, etc. While we don't know for sure, these four positions may still have two coaches, but the more likely breakdown is an offensive line coach and a tight end coach, especially under O'Brien's tight end-heavy offense.
Finally, and though it's less uncommon, there was no special teams coach on staff, at least not a designated one. These duties seemed to have been split across a number of different coaches, and the results weren't always pretty on the field. There likely won't be a special teams-only coach in the new regime, but there likely will only be one guy handling the duties.
Now, what do we know about the new staff? Well, the obvious out of the way, Coach O'Brien will helm the ship, and has already said that Larry Johnson will remain on staff. For now, all we know is that Johnson will at least remain at his current position, though a bump to either defensive coordinator or recruiting coordinator isn't out of the question. Additionally, it was reported Friday that Tennessee Titans quality control coach Charles London will be joining O'Brien's staff as running backs coach.
| Coach | Role |
|---|---|
| Bill O'Brien | HC |
| DC | |
| OC | |
| Larry Johnson, Sr. | DL |
| LB | |
| DB | |
| QB | |
| Charles London | RB |
| OL | |
| TE | |
| WR | |
| GA | |
| GA |
There are actually 11 non-GA coaches listed there, so two of those positions will have to merge. My guess would be that O'Brien assumes the OC, QB, or TE duties. Additionally, either of the coordinators could assume duties of a squad (Tom Bradley handled the cornerbacks). Also, a recruiting coordinator has not yet been identified, though it could be one of the names already on the board.
The next, obvious question, yet the hardest to answer, is who will fill these spots. Many names are floating around; these are just some of the possibilities.
- Ron Vanderlinden, LB coach, Penn State (for now): You know the history; Twitter rumor
- Dave Sollazzo, DL coach, Villanova: Served on the Maryland staff with O'Brien; served as recruiting coordinator for the Terrapins for five years; forced out of Maryland when the Randy Edsall Era began, but prior to that had a pretty decent recruiting run, considering the university and resources available
- Ralph Friedgen, unemployed, former MD HC: Was head coach during O'Brien's time at Maryland
- Mark Whipple, QB coach, Cleveland Browns: Bounced around a few different places, including college, the pros, and the USFL; QB coach in Pittsburgh at the beginning of Roethlisberger's career; OC at Miami (FL) before the Golden Era; Twitter rumor
- Brent Key, OL coach, UCF: Played for O'Brien's coaching staff at Georgia Tech; seven years on staff at UCF, including stints at special teams and OL; Twitter rumor
- Shane Waldron, WR coach, Hartford (UFL): Coached with O'Brien in New England, including the tight ends in 2009
- Glenn Spencer, DC, Oklahoma St.: Coached with O'Brien at GT and Duke; experience as recruiting coordinator as well as coaching all three defensive position groups
The list could go on, but that's a jumping off point. One thing that stands out is that many of these guys are relatively young, which is both risky and exciting. Coach O'Brien said he wanted to get this staff locked down within "two or three days", leading one to believe that the empty coaching board above will be filled by mid-week. Another dead period starts on Monday, but that shouldn't stop the coaches from reaching out via phone, text, Facebook, etc.
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Still no Special Teams coach? I kid.
Would love to bring in Friedgen. Between him and Larry Johnson Sr., PSU would completely own recruiting North of Richmond and East of Youngstown. More importantly, he’s a great football mind.
Some will point to the fact that Friedgen walked into a great situation. During his first three years (all 10+ win seasons) the Big East teams with a pulse had yet to arrive in the ACC, Mark Richt had just left FSU for UGA (Bowden with Richt = , Bowden without Richt = good, but nothing special), and Vanderlinden had done a very good job of recruiting. This is all true and fair, but we’re still talking about a program that had 5 9+ win seasons in the 45 years before his arrival and then went on to have 5 in his 10-year tenure. That’s a great turnaround.
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Agreed re: Friedgen
I think he’s legit and would absolutely still have cache with recruits on the offensive side of the ball. Would love to see him on staff, even if he was just coming for a few years to audition for another HC job.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
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My problem with Friedgen
is that he’s a dick. He was a dick to ALE when he committed to PSU. I listened to him on sports radio down here in Maryland, and every time he opened his fat mouth he sounded like a dick. He might be a great X-O’s guy, but I don’t care ‘cause he’s a dick.
Not only was he a dick...
…which I don’t necessarily have a problem with…he wasn’t nearly as good a recruiter as is being alleged. For all the crap about Joe not (being able to) getting out to visit recruits, Ralphie was particularly active in that area either. Galen Hall pt 2.
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 8, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Question
Why does everyone think O’Brien has a TE heavy offense? With the exception of this year, his NE WRs and RBs get the large majority of catches, yards, and TDs. It seems to me that his offense is exactly what he said at the presser: 1) look at my teams strengths and 2) look at the other team’s weaknesses and put together a game plan.
2011 – TEs are 2 and 3 for catches and yards, and 1 and 3 for TDs. But, O’Brien has no WRs other than Welker. Branch is beyond his prime and was never great to begin with, then you have Woodhead, Ochocinco, Green-Ellis, Faulk, Edelman, Ridley….none of these guys strike fear the in eyes of secondaries, at least not anymore.
2010 – TEs were 3/4 in catches and yards and 1/3 in TDs with Welker and Branch 1/2 in catches/yards. Again, the remainder of WR and RB were no-names, old, or not willing to contribute – Woodhead, Tate, Green-Ellis, Moss, Edelman, Morris, then another TE Crumpler.
2009 – Top TE was 5th in catches, Ben Watson, with 29 catches for 404 and 5; Welker/Moss had huge years and then two RBs were 3 and 4
2008 – Top TE was 5th in catches, Ben Watson, with 22 for 209 and 2; Welker/Moss had big years, followed by a RB then another WR at #’s 3 and 4
2007 – Top TE was 6th in catches, Watson, with 36 for 389 and 6; Welker/Moss had HUGE years, and spots 3-5 were taking by a RB and 2 WRs.
First, I really don't think the Patriots are running BOBs offense.
BOB has some role in helping Bellicheck and Brady run their offense. It’s not BOBs offense. Next, it’s been a while since he’s been to college. He’s not going to have Tom Brady or those two absurd TEs here at least until his fifth year, because he’ll have to recruit and develop them. So the huge question is, how much does he really understand what Bellicheck and Brady are doing, AND can he translate that to the college game and the talent he actually has available.
Finally, the ‘gameplan’ offense is really what Jay tried to do with the Spread HD. In 2008, when he had great, experienced, intelligent players on offense Jay would write up plays the night before a game and they’d execute them the next day. The offense changed based on the defense they played AND the talent they had. They could run a shotgun read option or an I-Form power set if that’s what the defense was giving them. Few people complain when it works, but when it doesn’t there’s lots of bemoaning a lack of offensive identity.
I’ll be interested to see what BOB can do with the offense. I’ll admit that I was wrong before (hear that Boston?) in that I think there will be an uptick in offensive recruiting in part because this guy watched Tom Brady throw the ball to two of the best TEs in the NFL for a couple of years. Apparently recruits really are that dumb. I also think though that our offensive staff were all just crappy recruiters – Jay probably could have been good at it but rumor has it that he didn’t work hard enough at it. So just having a guy with some ‘credentials’ that will actually put full effort into it will help. Though all that said, Jay did manage to help pull in a 4* followed by a 4* and a 5*, despite being lazy and getting trashed on the boards constantly. So I guess we’ll see.
Great post...
I think everyone’s put on the Blue & White glasses in the hopes that we’ll have an offense that gives the Ducks and Okie State a run for their money next year.
If he can get Bolden to complete a pass that doesn’t deflect off the referee I’ll consider that a success. Baby steps folks…
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We're not going to be running Chip Kelly's speed-spread.
Nor are we going to be running Galen/Jay’s mind-numbingly predictable and simple offense, which included fade routes to Devon Smith. It’ll be in between, molded to fit personnel. But it’ll be moving towards a more multiple-set offense.
Baby steps is right, but baby steps in the right direction, at least.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
If Devon Smith were a little better at Deon Bultering deep passes
you wouldn’t be complaining about those routes.
Probably still would.
Nothing against Devon, but he’s not the guy you want burning down the sideline. Sure he’s the fastest guy on the team, but he’s also the shortest and least likely to be able to go up and get the ball from a DB. Get him the ball in space on bubble screens, drag routes, stuff like that. You play to each players strengths, not put players into a position and then run a play.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
And this is why
I am hopeful about BOB’s comment re matching the offense to the players. Assuming we get the same or better quality players that we have in the past, we might see some exciting offense that helps us win games.
(Again, lock down the DC/defensive coaches, so we don’t lose ground there.)
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
You match the offense to the players, not the other way around. You don’t call a three-wide set with a fade to the X receiver and then put Devon in at X simply because he’s a WR. You call a three-wise set with a fade, a drag route, and a post, and insert the best WR at each of those routes accordingly.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I would word that even more strongly.
It’s more important to match your offense to your players than it is to match it to the opponent for that week.
I’m still a bit leery about this “gameplan offense” if it really means changing the core of what you do from week to week.
At the college level
you always have to have a core — the disparity in quality of players on any given team compels that. But, our recent core has been small — I’ve screamed at the TV many times, “Go to page TWO of the playbook.” Hopefully there is a core of current-multiplied-by-5 plays, with variations as appropriate.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
In some ways I agree, but I also think there's a difference between WRITING the playbook, CALLING plays, and getting the players to EXECUTE them.
I feel like a lot of it comes down to practice, reps, and teaching more than drawing up plays.
You can succeed in football with a small playbook as long as you don’t tip your plays and as long as you get out of bad plays when the defense is lined up to stop you. But you have to rep them and burn the details into the players’ heads, and make their assignment straightforward enough that they can get to their spot explosively.
A team like Auburn basically runs power-O, buck sweep, zone read and midline read option, and jet action for their running game. I don’t know as much about their passing game, but that’s like six running plays.
They make it look crazy because they play so fast and run crazy formations and motions to confuse the defensive alignments. But to the players it’s just a signal for a formation/motion, the side, and the playcall. And what you see on TV as a crazy trick play is just a counter off the crazy motion/formation. They just call it and score a touchdown when the defense lines up wrong or stops respecting some decoy guy.
We have athletes that can digest concepts like that as long as you feed it to them the right way. You can’t tell me our guys are dumber than some other teams. I just don’t think they’ve been coached up in a way that sets them up for success. I truly believe that. So to me, it’s not so much having all this ZOMG MULTIPLE stuff, but having a strong core that you can go to all the time, and having your guys kick ass on those few plays.
by Salt on Jan 8, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with you, Salt.
What I was trying to get to was the PREDICTABILITY of our play-calling, based on offensive formation, down-and-yardage situation, etc.
As you well stated, the actual number of plays is immaterial as long as those plays are not readily apparent to the opposing defense.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
True that.
I think the key to having an unpredictable offense is either running many different variations but out of the same formation/personnel, or going the other way, and running a core group of base plays that can be executed with a number of looks and flourishes. Stanford is a good example of the former, and Oregon is a good example of the latter.
Either way, it’s about having plays that can “beat” a certain defense playing straight up, and then counter plays that can beat the defense when they cheat. That’s really all it is.
The ONLY team I can think of that really succeeds with a huge playbook is Boise. It seems like every game you have no idea what they’re running. All the plays are sound, but I honestly don’t know how the fuck he teaches it to the kids.
And I have NO connection with CFB
to know what is “best” for Penn State offense. I think we get more than our share of smart kids, but how that translate into offenses I have no idea . . .
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Smart in life isn't the same as smart in football.
It’s all spatio-visual and muscle memory. It’s the coaches job run drills and practices to that book-learning/film study gets converted into automatic physical movements, like “see-it-throw-it” or “hand-off-the-stunting-lineman”. Some guys are natural at it, and you want those guys. But it can also be taught.
Right,
meant football-smart. I was in the Infantry for awhile, and some of the best troops couldn’t pour water out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel. But, in the field, they were amazing troops.
One of the criticisms of RoBo is that he is too “life” smart (to steal your phrase), overanalyzing each play to the point where he is ineffective.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
As someone who had Ben-Jarvus Green Ellis as a fantasy back
It was frustrating to rely on BOB’s play-calling tendencies. One week BJGE would get 20+ carries and pound the rock, other weeks he would barely touch the ball.
I reckon it was frustrating not just for fantasy owners, but for the opposition as well.
As a FF owner who had
Gronkowski and Welker on his team… I think BOB is amazing… lol
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 8, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
oh I know... heard it pretty much every week :)
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 8, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
dude was a monster as you know...
I traded for him preseason to my friend who is a 49ers honk who wanted Davis. Yeah… he never regretted that.
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 8, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
This was probably the best thing I heard from his PC
A coach who realizes he has to adapt what he wants to do to what his players are able to do is a big plus to me and a sign of a smart coach.
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We've all wanted offensive change
over the last 10-20 years. With change comes risk. When those changes come, some of us will be happy and some will mourn for the demise of the end-around play.
So much of this is “wait-and-see”; sound familiar?
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I, for one, thought the 2008 offense was awesome.
If that OL was bigger and better at run blocking, it would have been truly great.
Don't disagree, 02,
more of a general observation. How many times do we (allegedly) hear from opponents’ defenses, “We knew Penn State’s plays just by the offensive set they were in.”? How many times did each of us know the middle dive play was upcoming? Etc., etc., etc.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think the problem is Joe's insistance on execution
He would only run what he saw the players execute very well in practice. His response to poor execution was to cut way back on the playbook. But that allowed teams to read what we were doing, and know what was coming before we ran it. I don’t ever recall hearing that in 2008. We heard it in 2009, when our WRs didn’t know what they were doing for the most part and the OL was putrid.
IMO many of McGloin’s picks were a result of that. Once Jay saw that teams were baiting McGloin on those throws to the sideline, he needed to change up the offense somehow to make them pay for it. Instead they just kept running the same plays over and over again, my guess is because that’s what McGloin was comfortable with – and the defenses exploited it.
^ This
So true, so very true . . . .
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was brutally fugly to watch.
My hunch was always that Joe did that in early games to try and the OL and RBs to MAN UP on those plays. Sort of a damn it – we’re going to run it until you do it right! It’s a gamble, because you COULD lose. And it’s so awful to watch when it’s not working. But I still assume there was some method to Joe’s madness there.
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I know almost all of Penn St.’s tendencies based on personnel, down and distance, and formation. Lots of people tell me I should be a D coordinator against PSU. The only time I couldnt was with DC17.
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Hey, Kunza.
Your point, and Salt’s elsewhere, much better states what I was trying to say.
Unpredicitability is what confuses defenses and contributes to an effective offense. We have been lacking that for awhile.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I'd say nearly 10 years
Point is we got so predictable I remember when we played Iowa this year and we were driving for a score at the goal-line. Urban Meyer and whatever other announcer were discussing what Penn St. should call on 3rd and 1 at the 4 to make new downs. The other guy said "Gee we saw Penn St, practicing this TE-pop pass and this is a perfect time. Urban goes “No that’s more of a 1st down play, they’ll run it here…” We run and make downs. Then OH GUESS WHAT WE RUN THE TE-pop ON 1ST DOWN. HOLY SHIT! ALL EVERYONE EVER NEEDS IS TO WATCH THE GAME FILM WITH THE COMMENTARY.
For the record, that was the same play Cadogan scored on last year versus NW. Only difference is that was 2 TE-route combo last year and this time it was a 1 TE route to Haplea.
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Curious.
Do you think UM was saying, “As a coach, I see that play as a 1st down choice?” or more, “Having observed Penn State, they will only use that play on 1st down.”
Probably an unfair question to you — sorry!
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I was watching that game
And think he was saying the first part, as a coach I would call that on first down, not this is exactly what they are going ot do.
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Thanks, Aries.
So could the point be made that certain types of plays are almost inevitably matched up to the down-and-yardage situation?
That makes unpredicitabilty harder to achieve.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Personally
I think it is, I mean how many times on a 4th and inches do you see a qb sneak to get the first? I would argue that percentage is very high. You don’t see the team throw 50 yards down field on that type of down, unless your Andy Reid.
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There are times when brute force >
smarts. Being intelligent does not necessarily help when it comes to quickly lifting a burning car off a victim. A 4th-and-inches begs the QB keeper, which relies on the big guys upfront.
Might be rambling here. Just trying to figure out how often unpredictability trumps execution . . . .
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Brian Schottenheimer is a pretty smart coach
and that doesn’t always work in his favor.
I think it was him as a coach
Also we needed to pick up the downs. Still he kind of said it like you dont run a play like that on 3rd down.
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Right, wait and see.
But can it regress? You can argue all you want about how much say Tom Brady had or Bill O’Brien had in the NE offense. But it was still BOB’s, and he oversaw some pretty dynamic offenses, either as OC or TE/WR coach.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Asked a Pats fan I know, said he's the best OC they've had under Bill
Stuff about not fitting square pegs into round holes
doubt we’ll use a 2 TE set much
If Penn State fans and alumni truly believe that chant that echoes throughout Beaver Stadium ("We are....") then it's time to show it.
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 8, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Please don't count Szczerba as "healthy"
I try not to call out players by name, but he derp’d a few offensive drives for us this past season, either by not catching the pass or doing something stupid that drew a flag.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not going to start a thread
About him…just not going to do it.
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LOL.
Like I said, I really hate mentioning him by name, but MAN!!!!
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I am there with you on that one
never thought I would long for the days of ’God’s Gift’
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 8, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think he was denied another year of eligibility anyway.
So I think we’re looking at Haplea and Gilliam as the top two TEs for next season. Not a bad pair really. Haplea was highly regarded coming out of HS and had a few nice moments this past year, and Gilliam’s got a nice size/speed combo. Both played early in their careers due to injuries ahead of them.
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Looking ahead
in my “Recruits’ reaction?” thread someone said Brenneman, a 2013 prospect, liked the BOB news. That’s down the road a bit, but nice to hear.
Maybe BOB can reach out to Kent Taylor, who I understand made a choice between State and Florida.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Breneman seems to really have liked the hire, so right now I'd put his chances at ending up at PSU as "Good".
Kent Taylor is dealing with two new staffs, sort of. Since Weis went to Kansas (/finally stops laughing), Taylor no longer has an OC at Florida. So he’s in wait-and-see mode as well.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Szczerba is out, he lost his appeal for a 6th year.
It’s Gilliam, Haplea, Kyle Carter, and whichever of the freshmen stick at TE. I wouldn’t rule out a 2-TE look, but again you have to play to the strengths of the TEs.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
He's one of the freshmen, along with Brent Wilkerson.
Either could stick at TE, and either could move, James possibly to OT, Wilkerson possibly to the other side of the line.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think that the new coaching staff will make as many position changes as the old staff did?
I know this is a terribly subjective question, but it just seems like a lot of players at PSU switch positions and sometimes switch too much. (It may be possible that other schools do this often, I just don’t know since I only follow PSU this closely).
Near impossible to answer, unfortunately.
It all depends on what the coaches see in the player, where he might fit in, and then moving him if it doesn’t work out. Not sure Mike Yancich’s career would have played out any differently with any other staff.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to move in that direction, though.
Teams are more and more set up to stop the spread. Heavy sets are starting to cycle back in vogue.
Hooray!
B1G style of football > SEC speed.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
the BCS computers do not share your sentiment
Follow @TheMightyErik
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Jan 8, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
But since I am smarter than a computer
I don’t care what they “think”.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
neither do I but the knobs that hand out the trophy seem to :(
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 9, 2012 4:46 AM EST up reply actions
It will depend completely on who they can recruit and how fast those players develop
IMO PSU sucked on offense the last two years primarily because: 1. They put themselves in a bad spot by only recruiting Pryor. If we had Dan Persa right now we may have won the Big Ten 2. Devlin transferred – 2010 would have looked WAY better with a great college QB 3. Newsome was raw and took way too long to develop given that Devlin transferred.
If McGloin improves his consistency or the light goes on for PJ or Bolden, we’ll have some quick success. Otherwise we’ll have to wait for him to recruit and develop a QB. Oh and some WRs that could get separation and catch the damn ball would be great too.
Yeah, one would imagine he's learned a few things, even if he didn't design them
that would help PSU be more dynamic on offense
Checking out of wing-T to five-wide, for one.
We played around with some new stuff when Bradley finished out the season, but I’d like to see more formation, the ability to check off and audible, etc. Granted, that requires certain types of players, so BOB will possible need a year or two. But I like.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think I recall
during the Wiscy game that year, Blackledge saying that for our 3×1 personnel (3 wr 1 te) we had 30 different formations. Which is to say we showed different looks, but for the most part our personnel was always the same. Though we did do some five wide, 2×1 I-Form, etc.
If they are given the ability to audible, I will be very happy
It was so frustrating seeing the defense have 8 or 9 guys in the box and PSU stick with the run right up the middle or run into a blitz.
Re: Bolden
A friend of mine brought up an interesting point about Bolden. He’s a shotgun QB. If you notice, he throws much better out of the gun. He already has his feet set, he can scan the field, etc. My friend had the same problem in HS/College that Bolden has under center. I’m not saying the Bolden will be a world beater if you keep him in the gun, more food for thought. Also it proves that the former staff was trying to turn Bolden into a pro-style under center QB instead of playing to what Bolden can do which is spread the field in the gun.
Look at the cumulative targets, though.
In each of the last two years, New England has had TWO tight ends in the Top 30 targeted tight ends. I’m not talking catches, but the number of times Brady looks and fires their way. Whether they were the top on the team in actual catches is sort of irrelevant (you wouldn’t expect a TE to be tops on the team, but you also wouldn’t expect TWO TEs to be in the To 30 in terms of targets).
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Likable former possession receiver
GO IOWA AWESOME
by ckmneon on Jan 8, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
didn't he get bumped up after McQueary was put on leave?
Thought he was a GA prior to that.
by Jared Slanina on Jan 8, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Who becomes the next DC
Of Linebacker U is the question i want answered more than any other position. We, for a long time, have coveted our D side of the ball. It is what we’re known for nationally. I feel pretty good that Coach O will give us an improved product on offense (I know that’s not saying much). So I’m more focused on how we maintain our defense because they are (dare I say…) ELITE!!!
Of course Cam Williams coming with help recruiting.
^ This
I said on here somewhere yesterday: If LJ Sr. and Ron Vanderlinden (fingers crossed) are staying in their current positions, the DC who comes in can’t just be any Joe Schmoe if he’s going to outrank those two. I like some of the coaching resumes I see above (Brent Key, for example, was coaching the UCF line when Kevin Smith was running wild there), but I gotta be honest: the defensive coordinator from Oklahoma State doesn’t exactly have me doing back flips. I don’t know anything about the guy, but the Pokes haven’t exactly been known for their stout D.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
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Agreed.
My first instinct is, Protect what we have, which is a perenially great defense. The DC role is one that needs to be locked down tight. That has been and should be the nucleus for Penn State football. We’ve seen RichRod offenses throw up 30-35 points a game — and LOSE — because the Michigan defenses stunk. And that was on RR as HC, because he focused on offense and failed to recognize the style played in the B1G.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fwiw, Glenn Spencer does have an attacking defense
Very good at forcing TO’s, but we’ll also give up a big play. But he’d benefit from the huge talent increase
If Penn State fans and alumni truly believe that chant that echoes throughout Beaver Stadium ("We are....") then it's time to show it.
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 8, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not a fan of 'attacking defenses'
that give up lost of huge plays in exchange for MAYBE some more turnovers. I’d rather just not give up the points to begin with. 45-38 is not more exciting to me than 17-10.
by PSUEnrg02 on Jan 8, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Esp. given
B1G style of play. More like sumo wrestling than girls slapping at each other.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
But that's the thing
I’d prefer a less risky defense against teams with great QB’s
but against the Big Ten QB’s, especially the leaders division QB’s, I’d want a D that makes the QB pay for his mistakes
If Penn State fans and alumni truly believe that chant that echoes throughout Beaver Stadium ("We are....") then it's time to show it.
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jan 8, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Am in violent agreement
with you, IceIce.
BOB claims he will match our offense-defense against opponents’ defense-offense. We’ll see . . .
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
BoB also said
That he has not watched any game film. So I don’t doubt once he watched conference games he will see how the BIG works, and does help that LJ will be there telling him how the style of game in the BIG is and what to expect.
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I'm sure he watches CFB when he can
and has noticed general tendencies/styles of play differ from conference to conference.
Not disagreeing, Aries, just that I expect he has a general sense already, and that, assuming he is smart, will not replicate RichRod’s approach.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I was more in the vein
That he probably does watch some CF games, but I doubt he watched them in depth, like a coach perparing for that team next week type look.
He seems like a really smart guy, so I don’t doubt he will look at the stout defenses in this conference and be able to figure out how to attack them.
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He said during interviews after the presser
that the NE staff actually watched a decent amount of B1G football on Saturdays b/c Kirk Ferentz’s son coaches there.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
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I'm sure it was part of their gameplan.
You don’t do that without at least partially intending to. Their plan was to get the ball back to their offense and maximize the number of possessions in the game.
That’s why OKSt also had the most total snaps on defense. They faced a total of 1089 plays while most teams faced somewhere in the 8 or 900s. They gave up 5.45 yards per play, which isn’t mindblowing, but certainly isn’t awful, either. Tie that to an ability to take the ball away, and it’s an acceptable defensive strategy if you have a high powered offense.
That type of play may not suit your tastes, but I’m just saying that it’s not necessarily wrong. I guess it comes down to the type of game you want to play, and how you want to mesh your preferred offensive style with your defensive style.
They were also 107 in total defense
If this team goes from perennial top 10 defense to not being in the top 100 because people want to see more attacking, I will lose my shit.
by ppfcpp on Jan 8, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm not entirely advocating for it,
I’m just saying that their defensive strategy works for them, and the stats are deceiving because they faced so many plays and their offense scored so fast. They gave up the same yards per play as Stanford. See my explanation above.
Bottom line is they were #3 this year. If it works, I don’t care what style we play.
True about Okie State's D,
however, I think some of this is a function of how quickly their offense scores.
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
My guess is either LJ or Vandy
If Vandy comes, he’ll be DC, and LJ recruiting co-ordinator. If he doesn’t come, LJ will be DC.
What are the lottery numbers...
for Wednesday?
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I've discussed it with my primary poster sekrah
and he felt I shouldn’t reveal them.
BINGO!
I’ll take the four-slice toaster as my prize, please.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
You guys are the
BOMB!!!
Thanks, Omar!
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
So has everyone calmed down?
Bunch a whiners up in here the past few days. We got a great coach who wasn’t available to interview until this week, sorry his schedule didn’t match your impatient demands.
I thought his press conference was fantastic, said everything he needed to say about both the ‘PSU Way’ and Paterno. My only wish was to keep LJ Sr, which he did.
Great hire, and when we’re winning B1G championships in 2-3 years I dont want to see your ugly mug on the sidelines Lavar.
Coop, I think you're being harsh
when you talk about “whiners”. People have different opinions, and are entitled to express them. Note that some of the posters are in the Boston area, and appear to have heard “inside” information as to what role BOB really plays in a Belichek-Brady world, and how effective he is in that role.
Slight correction to your post: BOB did not just interview this week — he has been talking to Penn State folks over the course of time, according to what I got from his presser. That Joyner and whoever decided to make the ANNOUNCEMENT this week is not on BOB, of course.
And, with all due respect, unless you reveal you are Franco Harris or John Cappelliti, I think Lavar has invested more in Penn State football than you have. Doesn’t mean his opinion is worth more than yours, but it is certainly not worth LESS.
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Not at all
I respect that Lavar has strong feelings, unfortunately his irresponsible quotes were in every news article yesterday and slanted the reported reaction of ‘PSU people’ as negative.
BOB and/or his agent may have had discussions prior to this week, but until the Pats season was over nothing could be finalized. He was working 100 hours a week until the bye and couldnt take a few days off to hold press conferences.
I live in Boston and don’t have a clue what role BOB has, and frankly I dont care. He seems to be a smart, fiery guy who wants to make PSU right again, and thats all I can ask.
Fair enough.
My last comment is that, honestly, I don’t care what other people/media think of “PSU people” — the media have done a hatchet job on Penn State/its supporters since the second the scandal broke, and the simple-minded have swallowed their version hook, line, and sinker. Many people have hated us for years for what they perceive as our “holier-than-thou” attitude; this entire situation (scandal, Joe firing, coach hiring) has them dancing with glee. So be it — we are STILL Penn State.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
about LaVar
In his defense, he apologized on his radio show Friday afternoon. I get his sentiment, but agree the Twitter reaction was over the top.
It's funny that it's acceptable for adults
to spout off anything they feel like as long as they publicly apologize for it later. It’s ok to have emotions, but having a functioning filter is important, too. Lavar has dealt with the media long enough to chill himself a bit.
I said "with all due respect"
- But that doesn’t give you the right to say whatever you want.
- It sure as hell does! It’s in the Geneva convention.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 8, 2012 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Ha.
I love how people think that having a right to free speech must mean that it’s a good idea to say whatever pops in your head.
Allowable ≠ smart, oftentimes.
Your point is good,
but obviously doesn’t happen. Remember Gary Hart, presidential candidate who have a rep for chasing women? He challenged the media, “Follow me around — I am as pure as the driven snow.” They got a pic of him on a yacht with a woman not-his-wife sitting on his lap — end of Mr. Hart’s career. (Cosmic irony: The name of the yacht was the “Monkey Business” — how cool is that?)
I’d rather somebody say something stupid because they have the freedom to do so, than to remain quiet because they fear the consequences of speaking out.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Haha Gary Hart.
I was mostly just talking about general tact.
I suppose that in public service, your internal character becomes something that the public has a right to know about. But for the general function of adults in everyday interactions, there are some situations where you should say things to somebody’s face, and other times when you shut the hell up. Our mommas taught us that some things are best left unsaid.
But as to your last point: If someone else is doing the talking? Sure I want them to say what they think. Know your enemies, and all that.
Keep your friends close,
and your enemies closer.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
The cop said, You have the right to remain silent
But i didn’t have the ability.
Ron White
Black shoes, basic blues, no names, all game.
He’s a talk radio host. Unfortunately is sounds like he’s unable to check out from work and leave the OUTRAGE at the door. Frankly I’m okay with that. I’m not exactly surprised. And I still like is JoePa impression, even if he’s not terribly insightful most of the time about sports. Overall he seems like a decent enough guy.
by Kevin Powers on Jan 8, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and he along with a lot of lettermen were insulted by Joyner
I don’t think it is a wise move to allow former players to have a big say in who the next head coach would be, but it certainly was Joyner’s responsibility to make them feel like they had a say.
It would have been pretty simple for him to arraign a formal meeting with a some prominent letterman who were leading the pro-Bradley camp and listen to their reasoning and ask a few questions to give the impression it mattered.
by psualum9931 on Jan 8, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or, even simpler, give them some insight into his process
If he really felt like he had to make an outside hire, he could have told them that and explained why. The treatment of Bradley (stringing him along when it was clear he had no shot) was also a big reason for the outrage.
If Joyner would have just taken an approach that didn’t make him come off as a smug prick who thought he was better than everyone, a lot of these problems would never have occurred.
by ppfcpp on Jan 8, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah I assumed so
I’m just saying, I don’t think he would have even needed to ask them for input. I think just explaining his thought process would have been enough. A meeting would have been great, but even as much as a damn email to the letterman would have helped the situation.
sigh
People were upset with the process and had a right to be. Lack of communication has been a problem for the university for several months now and Joyner’s attitude didn’t help. And in the fact that O’Brien feels it is more important to stay with the Pat’s then start with PSU wasn’t a good feeling either for most. People had a right to their initial reactions.
by psualum9931 on Jan 8, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
O’Brien feels it is more important to stay with the Pat’s then start with PSU
Didn’t he answer that? How can he talk to recruits about commitment if he bails on his commitment to the Pats.
As for the “process,” I’m not sure what you wanted. Did you want Joyner to issue a daily statement about every person he talked to? Every person interviewed should be publicly named and forced to give a statement?
When I interview for a job I prefer that my current employer not know that I’m out there looking around.
Yeah, but I wonder if he holds to that if the NFL comes calling in year three
of a five year contract. He could leave us without a coach at the WORST time – mid January. If he’d been like Roman and ever said something like ‘Penn State is a destination job’ I wouldn’t have as much of a problem with it. Instead his agent said being an NFL HC is his dream, AND he interviewed with the Jags while interviewing for this job.
The Pats worked WITHOUT an OC for two years while he was on staff. And they’ve hired McDaniels. They do not need him for anything right now. He could leave, and the Pats would not skip a beat. Penn State does need him. He has a ton to do in this critical time, and he’s not going to be able to get it done. That doesn’t demonstrate the excitement he talked about in his press conference. It sure looks to me like he’s making it clear to the NFL that the NFL will always be his first priority. Not coaching college.
by PSUEnrg02 on Jan 8, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
AND he interviewed with the Jags while interviewing for this job.
So he had other good options and he chose us? The nerve.
He made a commitment, he’s seeing it through. The recruiting class is what it is, the guys who were soft commits already left and LJ will keep whats left. Him giving 100% instead of 50% would have absolutely no effect.
Besides, the Steelers will free up his calendar in a week.
Interviewing w/ the Jagss =/= the Jags were an option.
I’ve wrestled with this, but I think what he said was true. You can’t preach loyalty, stability, etc., and then abandon the team you’ve coached for 17 weeks. I just hope he gets a staff in place ASAP to recruit, and recruits himself every open chance he gets. Being in Foxboro, the NE boys aren’t that far away.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Glass half-full
If the Pats score points in play-off games with BOB as their OC, that may spark some other recruits to consider us. Good publicity.
(Praying the Pats’ O does not lay eggs.)
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
From your keyboard
to God’s screen, coop.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
good mentions...
because obviously the commentators will refrain from mentioning JS, or using words like “scandal”, “controversy”, “child abuse”, etc.
how does the sarcasm font work again?
Unfortunately the adage of “any publicity is good publicity” expired on 11/5/11. Your other comments are dead-on, coop.
I doubt he really has a choice
He’s under contract with the Pats, is he not? Couldn’t they sue him for breach? And it would set poor precedent for future NFL assistants. If leaving mid playoffs became accepted practice, NFL teams would begin barring coaches from talking to college teams.
Besides, apparently he’s tight with Tom Brady. Brady is a man, of course, but imagine O’Brien feels personally obligated to see it through with him.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 8, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good point. Yes, the Pat's can prevent him from leaving early
just like they could have prevented him from interviewing. So it’s possible he wanted to leave early and they said no and he doesn’t want to start a media brawl during the playoffs.
plenty of coach's leave their commitment to their former team right before a bowl game
plus, the pats already have their new OC ready to take over.
he did answer that
but after all of the negative reactions you were referring to, which were mostly on Friday. He didn’t answer that question until saturday at about 11 am. People were understandably concerned before getting an answer.
Fire Dan Snyder
Ya know...
FUCK you to the people who want to marginalize people’s emotions in all of this. Lavar, Brandon had as much right to speak out in whatever form they did as Shane Conlan had to shoot them down. And I have as much right to point out what’s obvious to me as anyone else:
At the end of the day these guys played for Sandusky: Kick in the gut 1; Saw a cowardly and UNPREPARED (I’ll address in a minute) leadership fire Paterno without due process: kick 2; Spent 2 months listenting to Dave Joyner saying ’don’t worry boys i got it under control’ with that sorry smirk on his face: kick 3; the roll out BoB, an unremarkable career coach who ‘looks the part’, was willing to put up w/ the BoT’s and current admin’s stipulations, and who happened to be on the way out in NE if rumors about Josh McDaniel are to be believed (i.e. he was contacted prior to the end of the season soon after BoB’s blowup at Brady)…oh, and happens to be the fourth Pat’s OC who’s gone onto a head coaching position - and we know how the first 3 fared…all of whom were lauded by Kraft, Belichek and all the current/former players who played for them (recall both McDaniel and Weis were highly touted).
I love my alma mater no less than anyone here, and hold the right to continue to be suspicious of a poorly run institution who just hired a guy who, for all intents and purposes, may as well be Luke Fickell part 2. Which goes back to my point. How does the BoT’s and the administration get caught so UNPREPARED when all of this went down in November? The Grand Jury happened in Mar 2010…THOSE are the questions that were never asked, or if they were they weren’t asked loud enough and the answers given were not acceptable.
I think that sums up my thoughts today…if you don’t agree, I accept that and look forward to your thoughtful rebuttal. If you are one of those who will continue to marginalize how folks of a like mind as me feel, then I reiterate: Fuck you.
Penn State Proud
by pennst92 on Jan 8, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Rec for the passion, 92,
and because of the great summary. I want BOB to succeed, because that means Penn State football succeeds. That success, if forthcoming, will not dissuade me from voting out the current BoT members and voting FOR those who promise to kick Erickson and Joyner in the nads — multiple times.
The BoT shit the bed in this ENTIRE situation — no other way to spin it. Everything else -all the bad publicity, all the strong emotions, all the disagreements - follow from that.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry for the line-thru
guess I tried to use “—” to offset those phrases.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Tom Bradley was Luke Fickell part 2
Tom Bradley was a head coach for 4 games. We went 1-3, were absolutely embarrassed twice, and had a locker room fight that involved police. Not exactly what I’m looking for, but apparently it was him or nobody for Lavar and Brandon. Love the guy, but he’s a coordinator, not a head coach.
They made their feelings known, and I’m making my feelings known: You publicly disowned us, so I don’t want to see you around any more.
FTFY
You publicly disowned us I feel you publicly disowned me
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
You're entitled to your opinion
but your assessment of Tom Bradley is severely short sighted and shallow. Bradley is Fickell? A man who has devoted four decades to Penn State compared to someone who’s been barely alive for four decades?
Someone who took over the program during the worst scandal in college history, during the most difficult part of the schedule, coaching a team that’s been blind sided by the dismissal of their head coach, all the while being scrutinized by both fans, alumni, administrators, law enforcement official, and journalists about an alleged pedophile who so happened to be his former mentor? With the possibility of his character and reputation being tarnished? While the BoT and the AD kept him in the dark about his employment?
Really? Luke Fickell and Tom Bradley are one in the same? Child, please.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 8, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I'm glad they're still passionate about PSU and Bradley
much better than not giving a shit.
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by kijana's acl on Jan 8, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
As a fan of PSU and the Packers
this hire reminds me of the Mike McCarthy hire. I was very unhappy about the Pack hiring someone with no HC experience who was just finishing a gig as OC of one of the worst offenses in the NFL. Obviously, the folks making the decision saw something they liked and it’s worked out well. I’m hard pressed to imagine that Bill Belichick would tolerate Coach O’Brien for long if he wasn’t doing a great job. Come to think of it, I’d imagine there were lots of Patriots fans who pretty po’d about their team hiring a guy who had been fired by the Browns!
Good perspective.
Thanks, MB.
Keep in mind what many of us for years have said, “Pity the guy who comes after Joe; it will be better to be the guy who comes after the guy.” With that in mind, I am okay with BOB saying Penn State is a good place to start my HC career. If he can give us 3-5 exciting (winning) years, then moves on, so be it. As discussed elsewhere in BSD, the days are gone when a HC stays 10-20 years at one school.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but.....
I know State College is not for everybody, but I think it grows very strongly on the right type of person and family. Remember Joe turned down the Patriots to stay (many thanks to his wife for that). I hope if BOB, or if not him, whoever the next exceptional coach we get, will find that bond with SC and Penn State, and look else and say “might be a good opportunity, but probably not better than the situation I have”.
by Nittany Merle on Jan 8, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
besides, Joe has set the precedent......
and I think Penn State would pony up the cash to keep a good coach now. Joe did not demand that, but financial backing will help down the road.
by Nittany Merle on Jan 8, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Women tell me,
in regards to finding their mate, “Ya gotta kiss a lot of frogs before you find your prince.” I think that applies here. Penn State is in uncharted territory: If we lucked out and BOB is a keeper, he will demonstrate that over the course of his current five-year contract. His total compensation of about $2.3M puts him in the middle of B1G HC’s, which is not a bad place to start, all things considered.
I want to believe BOB is the next JoePa, and will win/stay with us for 40 years. His family is young; growing up in SC they may exert pressure on him to stay. Lots of unknowns that will unravel over time.
Just for the record, I am somewhat positive about this hire; any angst is not directed at BOB, but at the administration/BoT for creating this whole debacle.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
The idea that this would be a better hire if we had simply paid him more ...
Or that his pay is any indication of what we would have paid a candidate with HC experience are two of the dumbest to emerge in the past few days. They do not, of course, surpass the dumbest theme: that people had no right to react to how the process was handled however they felt appropriate.
That said, welcome Coach O’Brien. I wish you all the success in the world and a tenure at least half as long as your predecessor.
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by kijana's acl on Jan 8, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not understanding the stress over his salary
I mean, I think folks would be pretty put out (justifiably) if we were paying him much more than he’ll make through this first contract, and I don’t really get why some seem to believe his compensation package represents a one-size-fits-all approach by the search committee. I think the money talk will die down pretty quickly.
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Not everybody has had to negotiate contracts
so some statements may come from inexperience with the process.
There would be as many shouts of outrage if BOB’s salary was $1 more than Joe’s.
As you say, money talk will diminish soon.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
The stress over his salary was from initial reports.
The initial contract was only for university compensation, not total compensation – which showed him as the second lowest head coach in the B1G.
This led some people to believe that he was chosen because he would take the job for cheap, and that the board wasn’t willing to shell out money.
Once the total comp was release, I think that point goes away. 2.3 mill is a pretty solid offer. I’d almost say it’s more than he deserved.
It really says something about how spoiled we are
me as much as anyone, when many of us have to do a gut check to decide if we’ll be “okay” if we can get a coach who will give us 3-5 winning years (I assume you don’t meant 7-5…I’m thinking 9 wins minimum) before possibly taking an NFL head coaching job.
Think about how many college fanbases not only can’t lock down someone who will do this for their program, but don’t even delude themselves into thinking there’s some AD or hiring strategy that could even make this a reality for them. I know, I know, Penn State is different, we have a right to demand more etc. And I know we will demand more and that’s fine.
Here’s the slack I’m willing to give BOB: for me, next season will be a very solid success with at least 8 wins AND appear in CCG (CCG would make up for bad early OOC losses, just saying 8 as a minimum), or at least 9 wins and a decent bowl if no CCG. Next year will not be great, but will be about what I expect, if we win 7 and I see things moving in a direction I like re: recruiting, offensive improvement, minimal defensive drop off.
um, the Pat's were quite excited to get Belicheck
as he was announced as the head coach of the Jets, just a few days prior. He was excited to get the hell away from Parcells and prove he could be a good coach without him.
But I agree with your general sentiment, few coaching hires ever fully please a fan base, but people eventually get behind the guy if he wins.
Pats were happy but
As I recall, Pats fans liked that Belichek was sticking it to New York and Parcells and that Pete Carroll was leaving. Nobody in Boston was confidently predicting a dynasty. It was still the Drew Bledsoe era.
I’m over my frustration with the process and am cautiously optimistic about O’Brien. I’m still nervous about Joyner’s potential impact on the other sports, but there’s no particular concern on the horizon.
I’m not too bothered that he isn’t quitting the Pats yet. This has apparently become the industry-wide SOP now for these types of moves. I suspect the Pats could sue him if he quit now and I wouldn’t put it past Kraft and Belichek to do that. Still, I’m rooting for an early exit for the Pats, hopefully one that can be entirely blamed on their defense.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 8, 2012 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Lions 84
Gene Wojciechowski has written a nice article about the O’Brien hire (unfortunately on espn.com) Despite all the unhappiness about the process and whether or not other bigger name coaches were in the mix, the man deserves our support. Kinda funny in retrospect as I was living in the Cleveland area briefly during Belichicks last year as the Brown’s head coach. He had committed the ultimate sin by replacing Bernie Kosar with Vinny Testaverde and the fans couldn’t wait to get rid of him. Wonder what they’d give now to have him back?
Most welcome, MB!
And you cited yet another example of why “Hindsight is 20-20.” should be printed on T-shirts and a copy provided to every man, woman, and child in the world.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
What about the much maligned Strength and Conditioning coach?
I’ve never really understood the problem fully, although I freely admit our guys do look like they get pushed around more than they should by the Iowas and Ohio States of the world…
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
Do I recall it was the 2008 season
when the BTN guys said, “Those Penn State offensive linemen are big, but not fat.” and, as Enrg02 notes, that was a good offense for us. Can we get Cael Sanderson to be S&C coach? Isn’t he just sitting around eight months of the year?
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Still no word on whether he'll keep John Thomas' staff.
But whether he does or not, I’m sure we’ll have the HIT debate soon enough.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
IMO, S&C has always been a red-herring for the OL.
No one has complained about Devon Still’s strength. I think that when they went to zone blocking, there was a strategic decision made to focus a lot more in pass blocking than run-blocking. They went for athletic guys that could shield blockers and pull, rather than road graders that could push a front seven backwards. As a result, our pass blocking has actually been great. We give up very few sacks, even with ‘no pocket presence’ Morelli and Bolden back there. Compare out sack rate to Wisconsin’s – and that’s with Wilson who had great pocket presence AND was incredibly mobile. But Wisconsin’s OL could man up and drive a front seven backwards play after play.
The problem was that they seemed to forget this trade-off, especially on third or fourth and short, or on the goal line. They should have been spreading the field and passing more often than not on those downs, because that was the team’s strength. That was what it was built for. I still contend the USC game would have gone a lot differently (along with many others) if they’d not tried to play man-ball on critical third downs in the first and second quarters. They could have held the ball a lot longer and maybe even have scored instead of giving it to USC time after time.
by PSUEnrg02 on Jan 8, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I was just about to type the same thing
so… rec’d
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
Agree but find it ironic
the pass-blocking was the priority, given that we more often have great RBs and less often have the perfect combination of QB’s-WRs.
Oh, well, hindsight . . . .
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I actually think it makes more sense because of this
which is better: giving already great running backs an easier time, or giving struggling QBs more time? If a QB is struggling, if he’s running for his life to avoid a sack, that makes mediocrity look worse. A good RB can squirt through a less than stellar line for some gains (see: Redd this year).
Fire Dan Snyder
Quite well said.
Especially the point about the Stills, Crawfords, Odricks etc. Are those guys not in the weight room enough for some people’s liking?
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S&C
The people I know who’ve studied S&C training at PSU are very critical of the team’s approach. They claim it leads to injuries. I’m not sure about the getting-pushed-around bit; if that’s a deficiency or a deliberate effort to trade power for speed and endurance. Either way. I imagine it will change.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 8, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
More to line play than power
It’s about technique and smarts.
I’ve always gathered that high school o lineman must be the hardest to evaluate. Any 300 lb kid with good speed is going to dominate in high school and many of them probably do so without good technique. So coaches have to project whether they can learn better technique. A bit like projecting fireball pitchers.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 8, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If it's so bad, why do we consistently have former players return to work out rather than using their pro facilities?
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Bringing Chad O'Shea with him
obrien is bringing patriot receiver coach chad oshea with him. Source is oshea’s wife.
by Lovethosefreakinnittanylions on Jan 8, 2012 11:02 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Is she hot?
Love your handle, btw!
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
As long as
he doesn’t bring patriot receiver chad ochocinco.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
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Am now bleaching my eyes.
Thanks a bunch, Buch.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds good
O’Shea has been a receivers and Special Teams coach in the NFL and college (and was a QB at Marshall and Houston) so maybe he’ll be the ST coach in addition to receivers.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 8, 2012 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Daryll Clark for GA?
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
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by PSU_Buch on Jan 8, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Sure hope so.
When we met him over Christmas, he said he was in line for that role, but everything blew up, of course. Would like to see him on the staff, if only because of his contributions on the sideline during games. He seems to be good at whipping up the players’ enthusiasm.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
So he's given up on the CFL?
I hope he can get the GA job. I see no reason why O’Brien wouldn’t want him.
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 8, 2012 11:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hiring Clark would be throwing another bone to the fans, so to speak
Granted, depending on how much he’s followed PSU he may not understand that yet. But just like keeping LJ, I think bringing in Clark as a GA would be a great move to calm the fanbase and gain trust.
Apparently.
My comment to him was, “Would really like to see you on the Penn State staff.” His response was, “I was set to enroll in grad school so I could get the GA job, but then everything blew up.” He wasn’t necessarily ruling out the CFL — just answering my specific question/comment.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
He seems to really connect with the players.
The fanbase loves him, and he loves Penn State. Seems like a great fit all around, and I really hope he gets a shot. His enthusiasm on the sidelines should be infectious.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
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Win-win, imho.
He helps Penn State (us) heal, and we help him heal.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent points about the need for better O-line play
It all starts up front and how these huge kids will transition from high school to college is very tough to predict. Considering the o-line struggles recently, why isn’t the Shrive kid playing? Overrated? Not strong enough? Poor coaching? Gotta say, I’m looking forward to the offensive shakeup as much as anything which will hopefully include much better offensive line play.
Shrive, Dieffenbacherrittmeister (not sure of his last name),
and some other kids who were hot two-three years ago. I recall we were proud pulling kids out of Pitt’s backyard (from the WPIAL); have they contributed?
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Shrive will be a RSJR
Dief a RSSO. Shrive came in highly touted and was expected to push early, but for whatever reason hasn’t made the jump. He still has two years of eligibility, so who knows, maybe THIS is the year he breaks out.
Dief was third on the Center depth last year behind Howle (and obviously Stank), but there are some knocks on Howle and I’ve heard nothing but good things about Dief. With three years of eligibility, I think it’s just a matter of time for Dief.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think Dieff succeeds Stank after this season. I had heard some rumor of Howle moving to guard?
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Thanks for the updates, guys.
Howle is short. I think he is listed at 6 or 6’1", but is closer to 5’11. Disadvantage in the B1G.
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Comment on Shrive
that I saw a while back on some other forum was that he isn’t working hard enough. Like a lot of big Oline kids he got by in high school being bigger than everybody else he was pushing around. He’s not adjusting yet, technique-wise, to guys that match up more closely to him in size/wt.
Or like Bolden, he may just be way over-rated based on measurables.
First time long time
First off I love this board, I’ve been reading this for awhile now and would like to say you guys can go from informative to incoherent to hilarious in 3 post flat and I love that.
Now..I think this guy will be as good as anyone else they could have got. JVP is a once in millennium hire. We will cycle through coaches every 5-10 years like everyone else now. We have been spoiled. BOB had me as soon as he had the guts to not only recognize Joe but say that he respects him. We will be fine.
by PSU_sincebirth on Jan 8, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Incoherent?!?!?!
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Was that to me?
First time posting so am I missing something?
by PSU_sincebirth on Jan 8, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
He needed to use
sarcasm font
It was a joke.
.....that which we are, WE ARE;
One equal temper of heroic hearts
There! We skipped a step
and handled incoherent and hilarious in one posting.
Thanks, guys!
SinceBirth, I was messin’ with ya. Welcome aboard!!
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
you forgot bacon and people that sound hot
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 8, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
TME,
are you referring to me again? I resent being referred as “bacon”.
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my apologies and bacon is an extreme compliment. Please reconsider
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 9, 2012 4:47 AM EST up reply actions
Really hope Coach Van can stay
My son connected with him at a PSU camp when he was a sophomore and we got to meet him at a couple recruiting trips 2 seasons ago. While we got to chat with Scrap, Coach J and others, Coach Van sat down with us and we had a great talk. Being originally from Michigan we had some non-football stuff to talk about and he left us with the impression of being a genuinely good and honest man, unlike so many of his college coaching counterparts. I sure hope he can stay.
Not sure if I am allowed to ask
so censure/ignore me if you need to: Is your son looking to play at State? That would be cool for you guys!!!
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Jan 8, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
We'll find out soon enough.
Should have a staff in place by Wednesday. Keeping Vandy would be great, but it might cause a rift if you pick one or the other of Vandy or LJ to be DC, given that they were co-DC at the end of 2011 (and no, please no more co-coordinators, thank you).
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Someone suggested earlier, that if both stay
Vandy would be DC and LJ would be made recruiting coordinator. I think that would make a lot of sense, and would essentially promote both from their position at the beginning of last year. LJ will almost certainly be the best recruiter on staff, and I think being both DC and RC while still coaching the D-line would be a hell of a lot of responsibilities.
Hey PSU 84 no problem
unfortunately not. His senior year he played on a defeated team, got hurt and missed 3 games and the whole thing kinda fell apart. He’s playing at Trine University in Indiana. What I will say is that the recruiting process totally sucked for him except where PSU was involved. We went to the Northwestern games, great to see Joepa get win 400, and the MSU games. We were treated great by everyone involved and getting to be on the sidelines pregame was pretty freakin awesome. Our other visits turned out to be huge disappointments and it’s very difficult to stand there and watch coaches lie to your son and break his heart. Our experiences totally reinforced to us what a first class place Penn State really is.
by MB in MI on Jan 8, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Tough, MB,
for your son to learn some harsh life lessons so early. Wish you and yours all the best!
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Thanks 84
I think he handled it better than I did, to be honest. That’s why we love Penn State. Even at the MAC and D2 levels it’s just a nasty, cutthroat business and 99% of these bums don’t give a crap about the kids. When Steven first started e-mailing with Coach Van most of the talk was about the great academics and family atmosphere at Penn State. During one of our MAC visits the coach, while talking to all the recruits, insisted that he could get these kids to the NFL. Pretty sure this particular school as had one guy drafted that I know of but I guess, technically, he was right.
Not sure if this has been reported yet
They talked with BOB during the basketball game. He said he’s meeting with the players for the first time tonight at 5pm. Said he’s looking forward to it.
Also said (what we all expected) that he’s currently working on filling the staff positions.
Haven't seen any negative reaction from the players.
Still haven’t heard from a lot of them, but the ones that have spoken out have been excited. Keeping LJ, obviously, helped immensely.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 8, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Does everyone break out the Irish flag mouth guard now?
I just read.
by BMAN13 on Jan 8, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I think a lot of them have been smart enough to withhold comments until they meet him
I’ll be very interested to see what they’re saying tonight. I’d like to think they’d be positive regardless and support their new coach, but you never know.
Contract question
So, his base salary is $950,000, but his total comp is about $2.3 million. There was the mention of a Nike contract included in the total comp, so am I correct in assuming that is payed by Nike and not the university?
I believe so.
This is the money Nike pays for being able to use his/the schools likeness in advertising and such. Schools that have Adidas have similar setups I would assume. Now, Nike may pay it to the University just to avoid hassle with writing separate checks, but the money is coming from them.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Don't forget, only 350k of that is from Nike
The other million is from tv and radio deals.
Boourns
So Armani Reeves and Cam Williams might be wavering if we don’t keep Kenney. This could be bad
Common mistake
Boourns means you’re cheering FOR something, when everyone else is cheering against it.
As in ‘Smithers, I can’t tell, are they yelling ‘Boo’ or ‘Boourns?’ The crowd yells ‘BOOO!!!’ but Moleman says feebly ‘I was saying Boourns…’
I was afraid that something like this would start being murmured
sky is falling, etc… I hope they stay with us and help us start fresh
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by TheMightyErik on Jan 8, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
So an article
from Wartman’s coach that said, basically and paraphrased, if BOB is not there next weekend to get to know then he doesn’t see why Wartman would go to PSU and play for a guy he doesn’t know.
I hope BOB can pull in some players who weren’t on board with the old staff. We didn’t have a big class last year and I’m not sure we can afford another class in the low teens.
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Can't BOB just drop by his house?
by reedjohnmiller on Jan 8, 2012 3:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe at 4 am?
“How do you like your bacon, Coach BOB?”
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

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