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This Is Totally One Of The Russian Guys Who Trained Ivan Drago, Right? Penn State has a new trainer for its football team: Tim Bream, fresh from spending 18 years with the Chicago Bears. He was their head athletic trainer for 14 years:
Bream has known Penn State acting athletic director Dr. David Joyner, an orthopedic physician who specializes in sports medicine, since they worked together at the 1988 U.S. Olympic basketball trials.
"We’ve always kept in touch," Bream said. "He inquired if I was interested in the position and we had some discussion about it. For me, it’s going home and going back to my alma mater. It’s just a good opportunity for me and my family."
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O’Brien said the reception he had experienced had been positive, though some former Penn State players were initially upset that he was hired despite having no previous ties to the program. O’Brien said he was receiving about 100 supportive e-mails per day. He tries to respond to each at night.
BOB Goes To Work. A New York Times profile of The BOB, with some insight into his brief but meaningful interactions with Joe Paterno:
There are reminders of Paterno everywhere, including the area outside O’Brien’s office, where a photograph of his predecessor hangs alongside other former Penn State coaches. O’Brien called Paterno at home after he accepted the job. During the 10-minute conversation, O’Brien recalled, Paterno told him to uphold the ideals he aspired to with the team.
"It’s about carrying on the standards and traditions of excellence Coach Paterno set here football-wise and academically," O’Brien said. "We want to carry on the standard he set here. You can play really good football and graduate with a meaningful degree."
Okay, so BOB has some time on his hands. Message boards are littered with happy fans who write O'Brien an email and quickly received a response. Give the man credit, he's quickly building up goodwill.
COME TO PENN STATE. Recruiting news has been fast and/or furious, as you've seen in our increased recruiting coverage here at BSD. Frank Bodani of the York Daily Record adds another log to the fire, complete with annoying. One sentence. Paragraphs. Throughout.
Happy Valley Swag District. Congratulations to linebacker Nathan Stupar, who is not only invited to the NFL combine but also got engaged in grand fashion recently.
Jamil Pollard Has Been Through It. A completely heartbreaking and inspirational story about our prized defensive tackle recruit attempting to overcome multiple family tragedies and illnesses.
Oh. You Again. Jerry Sandusky is shocked that people suddenly have a different view of him. And this is already covered in the Fanshots, but since nobody reads them, here's another chance to see what Dottie Sandusky learned during her weekend at the Richard Petty Driving School.
In Other Legal Wranglings. Because Joe Paterno obviously can't testify at Tim Curley's perjury trial, Curley's lawyer wants his client's charges dismissed. Of course, that could all be a big misunderstanding, as the PennLive article also states that Paterno was diagnosed with "lunch cancer". Lunch cancer. Real media, people!
And in a late update from the Sandusky case, a Centre County judge has ruled on a number of motions filed last week:
- Sandusky is allowed to visit with his grandchildren, under certain conditions
- He is permitted to leave his house to assist his legal team, provided that he notifies county authorities
- He is allowed to sit on his back porch, despite objections from parents and neighbors
- The prosecution's request for an out-of-town jury has been denied
- Sandusky's request to release grand jury testimony transcripts has been denied
Sports! PSU demolished Utah Valley 39-3 in wrestling. UVU's only points were in the 133-pound match, as Frank Martellotti lost a 3-1 decision to Blake Mangum. Martellotti was subsequently abandoned in the Utah mountains by Cael Sanderson to wrestle a bear and think about what he'd done. The basketballin' Lady Lions are now 20-5 and ranked #18 in the nation, following a double-digit win over Northwestern.
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yeah, no kidding
Just curious – was getting access to the stadium like this pretty easy for a football player? I mean, I’m sure it was easier for him than it was for the “regular” student, but do you think this this took a lot of persuasion for someone in facilities management?
by IndianaLion on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Probably not.
I sort of remember a similar story from Colt McCoy, who I believe proposed to his girlfriend on the 50 yard line at DKR Stadium.
Seems like being a former player is the connection you need.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Feb 13, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I remember that as well
Mostly because Jordan Shipley was visibly crying in the background.
"I just want everyone in this situation to man the fuck up and accept some of the responsibility." SwHA
by kijana's acl on Feb 13, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
I legit LOL'ed at this
+1
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+10000
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Feb 13, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Never forget.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Feb 13, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Bojangles O'blackface
Gets me every time.
"In every life there have to be some shadows. Look at me. My life has been filled with sunshine. A beautiful and caring wife. Five healthy children. I got to do what I loved. How many people are that lucky?" THE Joseph Vincent Paterno.
AQ Shipley proposed on the 50 yard line too
he had pics on twitter, and she was pregnant. But there have been no more mentions of her or the baby, something sad must have happened.
Bent But Not Broken
I can't.
Even begin to.
Read that article by Bodani.
When did it become an acceptable practice.
To write articles one sentence at a time?
It’s maddening.
"In every life there have to be some shadows. Look at me. My life has been filled with sunshine. A beautiful and caring wife. Five healthy children. I got to do what I loved. How many people are that lucky?" THE Joseph Vincent Paterno.
That was
Truly.
Awful.
Honestly, I just read through and counted the number of single sentence paragraphs that could have been combined together to make a real paragraph.
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Bodani. What. The. F**K.
Learn.
To.
Write.
Better.
May no act.................
by SweepTheLeg on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Bodani
It sucks.
He has decent content sometimes.
His articles are almost unreadable, the way he formats them.
I wonder if the York Daily Record does this with all of their articles.
And did I say, it sucks.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
I tried it
and it sucks.
I know they say that you should write at a 5th or 6th grade level.
Or something stupid like that.
It’s the continual dumbing down of America.
Even “See Spot Run” is a more challenging read that his nonsense.
"In every life there have to be some shadows. Look at me. My life has been filled with sunshine. A beautiful and caring wife. Five healthy children. I got to do what I loved. How many people are that lucky?" THE Joseph Vincent Paterno.
You ignorant people just don't appreciate
haiku.
On second thought, you’re right — it’s annoying!!!!
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Bodanaiku
Short meter grabs eyes:
York digests BOB football news
One line at a time.
by PSUCharmas on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
That really is effing annoying!
I used to live in York and read Bodani’s columns frequently, but I never noticed his writing “crutch” until Grovich pointed it out. (I would call it a “style”, but it looks more like a crutch to me.) Maybe he is getting paid by the webpage inch.
"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"
by LowcountryLion on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
It’s maddening.
Maybe he tweeted the whole thing to his editor. The longest paragraph was 3 sentences.
The YDR and Dispatch editors love this format.
It must be a YNC thing.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
I get what he is trying to accomplish.
Primarily, he’s trying to make the article easier to read by keeping the text blocks smaller. People tend to start glossing over paragraphs that are too long, so there is some basis for that. I also think that rappy website formatting around all of the nonsensical advertising doesn’t help ether.
Also, this can be done for dramatic effect.
But it’s no longer dramatic, when your whole article is in effect, a dramatic declaration. It’s kind of like starting a sentence with “and”. You’re not supposed to do it, but you can if you don’t over do it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I'm from York and all I got from your post was:
I get what he is trying to accomplish.
Also, this can be done for dramatic effect.
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
Good Times article. I was initially hesitant about the BOB hire (was in the Bradley camp) but I am really starting to dig him. Seems like a good guy, with good coaches around him (ie. Johnson), and a plan.
The article was fine.
I’m irritated with the Tom Lemming quote. Some guys left, but in all honesty, recruiting ended about as well as could be expected in the final few weeks.
I suspect things will be just fine.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Feb 13, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
Not sure if anyone short of someone with tattoo parlor connections could have saved the class this year.
well I have connections....
but theyre all out here in California…
All of our comments are irrelevant - LetsGoPSU
The Sandusky article is absurd.
I could understand if he was walking to the property line and attempting to interact with kids, but that’s not the case. I could understand if he walked out on the deck while kids were outside playing and he attempted to talk to them. It doesn’t even really seem to be the case that he’s outside when children are out, as the example in the article is how he disrupts class, which would require kids to be inside
I know it’s very hard to do in light of the accusations, but let’s not forget that the man is still technically innocent. While I don’t want him interacting with kids in any way, the house arrest really isn’t meant to be a punishment, it’s meant to be a way of preventing him from perpetrating the crimes he is alleged to have committed. I don’t see any way that him being on his deck, making no attempt to interact with children, puts any children in danger. Until that’s the case, leave the guy alone.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 13, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
complaining parents should make their kids quit cutting through his yard, too.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
I mentioned this in the fanpost. That’s the most absurd thing. All these parents upset he’s shoveling snow, and none of them seem to think the solution is they should tell their kids to stop walking through his yard.
People really irritate me.
Everything is always someone else's responsibility.
That’s the point our culture has reached. Like the class in the example that rush to the window every time Sandusky is on his porch. Could the teacher not close the blinds? What ever happened to the fence the school was supposedly going to construct to prevent Sandusky from being able to see the school? Surely that would prevent the children from also seeing him. That would require the school for being responsible for the kids under its care, which they won’t do. Instead they’ll pass the responsibility on to the state and ask them to take action by further restricting what Sandusky is allowed to do.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Well sounds like they better start building that fence
Judge ruled Sandusky is allowed to be outside on his porch.
I think part of the problem is people seem to have no clue how the legal process/world works.
Also have to say having lived in State College for a few years after graduation, there is a high percentage of people in that area that think their shit doesn’t stink.
I think part of the problem is people seem to have no clue how the legal process/world works.
I absolutely agree. And I’m one of the people that doesn’t understand how the legal system works. The best I can do is try and understand the intent of specifics and apply reason.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 13, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
There is your problem right there
Applying reason in this day and age, will always lead you to not look at thinks emotionally and therefore be wrong.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
I should be clear
I don’t understand how most of this works either. But I also don’t go on newspaper websites and spout off like I’m some kind of genius.
Exactly.
In another comment I pointed out that I don’t pretend to be any less ignorant than those that I call ignorant. I merely consider myself superior in the fact that I can acknowledge that ignorance while others cannot.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 13, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Uh-oh!
I smell this thread starting to burn. Awaiting an uncivil comment in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . 2 . . .
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I feel so much better now,
since that remark came from you, Aries, not someone else.
Thanks! (I think . . . . )
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ooo! Ooo! Oooo! Mr. Kotter!
Like the class in the example that rush to the window every time Sandusky is on his porch.
Clearly have too much time and not enough work to do. It’s an elementary school, right? This sounds blown out of proportion.
Fair warning
References to the U.S. legal system’s presumption of innocence are only awesome in movies where the audience already knows the defendant has been framed. Out here in the real world, such references are tantamount to committing the same crime as the accused person. Everyone knows that if allegations are reported by a news outlet, they’re definitely true and the continued functioning of the legal system from thereon is an example of bleeding hearts wasting taxpayer money on another harebrained scheme meant to undermine our values.
by PSUCharmas on Feb 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You're right...
The Sandusky trial has the Col. Jessep-Code-Red vibe about it.
"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"
by LowcountryLion on Feb 13, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Fair warning
References to the U.S. legal system’s presumption of innocence are only awesome in movies where the audience already knows the defendant has been framed. Out here in the real world, such references are tantamount to committing the same crime as the accused person. Everyone knows that if allegations are reported by a news outlet, they’re definitely true and the continued functioning of the legal system from thereon is an example of bleeding hearts wasting taxpayer money on another harebrained scheme meant to undermine our values.
by PSUCharmas on Feb 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am completely aware and also deeply saddened by this reality.
And I know that simply expressing this opinion throws me into the pedophile-enabler camp in most public opinion. I never thought that advocating our rights, for the sole intent of protecting them, could receive such vitriol. It’s not like the statement I made was trying to exonerate Sandusky, yet I’m willing to bet if I made that exact statement in public, it would not end well. Simply because I would rather put my faith in the justice system than in the hands of the public who have shown they are in no way able to act reasonably or responsibly. would brand me as a molester-enabler.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I was pretty frustrated when I tried to argue this and got such seething feedback
Until I had a lawyer co-worker basically react the same way – and I mean a yelling, cussing response to me defending the idea of due process. I talked to him for awhile after and he apologized and said I was completely right. He knew I was all along. But he was so angry about the PSU thing – I don’t know why he was so personally affected by it because he has nothing to do with sports or Penn State whatsoever – that he couldn’t control himself.
After that I just stopped talking to people about it. But the fact that even otherwise reasonable people can become so emotional is exactly why we have a judicial system in place.
It's a very emotional issue, and I completely understand that.
But like you said, there are very rational people who react on pure emotion. There are also people whose profession you would expect to help dictate their actions and it does not. I know several people from my high school that served in the military, and almost all of them were in full support of throwing away all the rights they served to defend. I’m not trying to say that these allegations aren’t heinous, and that if found guilty, well I’m sure no punishment he receives will balance the scales of justice. However, there’s a very significant component that has not been fulfilled yet, and that is his proven guilt. There are so many instances in history where a rush to judgment and action was done far too impulsively and too rashly, resulting in the monster becoming the victim.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
what is going to happen
when JS is found not guilty because the AG has a shithole case and has exagerated everything from day one. Maybe there was a reason Corbett didn’t charge JS in 08-09, maybe there isn’t much there. Dragging PSU in and rewording MM’s testimony to shock everyone was the only way to get a majority of the GJ to agree to charges, 4th time around means 3 GJ’s didn’t see crimes that were chargable.
I actually worry about this now because the media shit storm will be worse than the inept media interpretations of the presentment and what it stood for.
Curley’s lawyer asked for charges to be dropped today and could easily win. JS’ lawyer won on everything from his hearing on friday, from his grandkids visitation to sitting outside to actually being able to go visit people and entertain non family visitors. The only thing he didn’t get was the GJ transcripts which were beyond the judge’s jurisdiction.
what if this all was just horseplay horseshit and there isn’t a real case. Crap, I’m worried.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
It seemed to me
That the Judge thought a fair amount of the prosecution’s requests were grandstanding, and Judge’s really don’t care for that. None of what they were asking for was really relevant in any sort of rational way, but it sounds bad “He’s on his porch staring at kids!”…. it’s intentionally inflammatory. But nobody is really in any danger.
If Jerry’s kids don’t have a problem with their kids being around him, absent some evidence to the contrary, isn’t that their right? I think it is if both parents agree that it’s okay and they’re supervised.
He’s not accused of snatching kids at random off the street. But man, what idiots are letting their kids cut through Jerry’s yard to get to school faster? That just seems foolish to me.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I read through the live coverage thingy on Penn live
The AG does not have her shit together at all. The entire case looks like inflamatory grandstanding. After hearing actual testimony by MM and rereading the presentment, I shook my head and wondered how much more is similarly embellished or written to personal feelings which won’t fly in court. Everyone thinks Gricar dropped the ball in 98, its looking more like he and child services did know what they were doing back then. You don’t win in court without evidence. I am not saying nothing happened to anyone, I’m just wondering how much evidence is actually out there that will be usable in court.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
I'm interested to see how Curley's motion goes.
I’m not very wonky about evidence, but it seems to me that could have tried to preserve his testimony for trial but decided not to do so. It sounds like hearsay to me.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I guess there is still a tin foil chance that Curley and Schultz will never see the courtroom were never meant to see the charges to fruition. I wondered from the beginning if their charges were only thrown out there to make PSU the focus of the media instead of 2nd Mile and Paterno and his legacy were just unintended casulties in a political and $$$ driven ploy by the AG and governor. Not saying JS is innocent by any means, just saying this PSU edge and the time involved has given 2nd Mile a grace period to figure out finances and not lose money or have board members lose money in the post trial $$$ suits brought by lawyers. sorry about the tin hat shit but this turns of this case are making me wonder, maybe Amendola is the freaking Johnny Cochoran of the 2000’s.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
Here is what I think.
I think the prosecutors thought, and think, that this should have been nipped in the bud in 2002. Ergo, somebody at Penn State dropped the ball. The answer is either McQueary, or Curley/Schultz. The Grand Jury believed McQuerey, so there you are.
Where is the outrage in this case directed knowing everything we know now, changing only that Curley and Schultz aren’t charged with a crime? I think they had to at least try and make a point that if you don’t follow through seriously on accusations like this, you stand a chance of facing criminal charges and losing (among other things) your job. Point successfully made
So I think the prosecutions broader goal, was simply to hold somebody, anybody, at Penn State responsible for this. Because let’s face it, a not insubstantial amount of responsibility lies at Penn State.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
It isn't totally illogical or unethical on behalf of the AG's office either.
This is a very relevant point. Some commenters seem to think it’s a lock that the perjury charges are going to be dropped. I don’t think it’s anywhere near that. Quite frankly, it’s possible that at least one of the two administrators perjured himself.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I would say that it's likely that somebody perjured themself.
But proving it is going to be especially tough. I don’t think that it is a lock that the charges will be dropped, but absent some new evidence, a conviction is going to be difficult.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Without having any legal expertise
I am in complete agreement with you. I initially thought the charges would be dropped, but the more I understand the process, the less likely I think it will be as there is enough contradiction to support the charges being filed. I do think that absent any new information, it’s going to be very difficult to prove that Curley and Schultz intentionally perjured themselves. Further, any successful attack on McQueary’s credibility will practically assure that they are not found guilty.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
For something to be dismissed without hearing...
There has to be no factual disputes. It’s common for a Judge to say, “look counselor, I’m not going to dismiss this, but I don’t see how you are going to win”, and that’s in civil cases where the standard of proof is much lower.
But my suspicion is that the Judge is going to let the DA try and make this case if they want to try.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I see this and understand your above point. You presented it well, and I understand why the AG wants PSU in this now, based on your explanation.
What I still don’t understand is the lack of interest in anything 2nd mile. It completely baffles me.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
Maybe the Second Mile is a totally separate investigation?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
It better be.
"Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room." - Churchill
by Esteban d' Amur on Feb 13, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
This seems like the most likely outcome to me as well.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Feb 13, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
... and while we distract you with that commotion
whisk all of the other “enablers” out the side door:
-Second Mile
-CYS
-Central Mountain HS
-The former AG
-The ghost of Gricar
-etc.
The easy one off the top of my head
is the Duke lacrosse prosecutorial misconduct scandal. I read the book about this and found it so unsettling that I couldn’t stop thinking about it for days afterwards. Yet in recent months I found myself bringing it up to people who remember the “Duke lacrosse thing” but then said, “What’s your point? Weren’t they guilty?” They didn’t know. I almost found that even more shocking than the original prosecutorial misconduct, just because it shows how permanently damaging allegations are regardless of how patently fabricated they are.
I don't think these charges are fabricated.
That doesn’t mean they are all true. Moreover, just because there was prosecutorial misconduct, that doesn’t mean the charges were made up. I mean, there was an alleged victim offering testimony. The misconduct occurs when you push too hard to make a case.
There were a bunch of other factors involved in the Duke Lacrosse case that really distinguish it from Sandusky. Just starting off, the allegation that a bunch of spoiled rich white kids raped a black woman in a predominantly black city. That’s going to cause trouble right off the bat, and it would have been very difficult to handle that case well, although at the end of the day, it’s hard to imagine they could have handled it worse.
The outrage about the two situations is similar, but at least in the Duke case it was directed at the people who allegedly acted wrongly. Also, while I see your point that the players were never fully vindicated, seriously, name one without looking it up on the internet.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Jesse. and other lawyer types
I don’t understand something from the judge’s ruling today. Why wouldn’t he allow the defense to have the entire Grand Jury testimony? Seems that that should be made available to all parties involved. Obviously I am no lawyer, but I do stay at a BSD every night.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
That's great question.
I hope somebody knows the answer. Seems to me, an opportunity to review all of the relevant evidence against you is a pretty key right to your defense. I’m not sure what the philosophy is on not producing it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I thought that
The prosecution has to hand over evidence like that to the defense, or something. I could swear Jack McCoy got in trouble a few times with this, but he found a way out, he always did…unless he lost, hmm, might need to think about that one further.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
That's my understanding.
Obviously some exception applies. I think the issue is not whether or not Sandusky will get the documents, but rather the timing of when he will get them though. I think his request was to have the information sooner than normal.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Sounds to me like you are talking about Brady.
Prosecutors have to hand over evidence that is both material and exculpatory. Evidence is considered both material and exculpatory if it impeaches a government witness, among many other things. The timing required under Brady escapes me, but I think a Brady violation occurs if you don’t give them the evidence with enough time to effectively prepare for trial. So we just might not be there yet.
It has been quite some time since I’ve delt with the issue, so anyone can feel free to correct me here.
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
It's been
forever since I dealt with these issues myself. I think he gets it at some point to help prep for cross of the gov’ts witnesses. He wanted earlier due to how long the transcript must be.
"Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room." - Churchill
by Esteban d' Amur on Feb 13, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
From what Sara Ganim’s story said the judge said he didn’t have the jurisdiction to order that, the grand jury judge would have to be the one to make that ruling.
Right.
I read something where the ruling was he should go to the Grand Jury Judge, whom he asked to cooperate in producing the transcript in such a way as to not disturb the trial which is scheduled for May.
Not for nothing, how bad do you think Penn State wants this done before next football season?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Call me crazy, but it seems
to me the volume has dropped dramatically already. Not to paint him as a martyr or saint, but Joe’s dying seems to have drained off a lot of the negative emotion. And, time, of course, helps.
The actual trial will stir up the embers, but I sure hope we are past the worst of the conflagration.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
You're crazy as batshit.
I thought jumping on the bandwagon might help you feel better.
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." Joseph Vincent Paterno 1926-2012
Nice to know who my friends are --
both of you.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I did a post about Joe and "martyrdom" for the program a while back.
I think it’s more accurate than I intended or imagined.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
I can't escape using that word/concept
in terms of how Joe’s death seemed to mute a lot of the “Penn State scandal” noise. It’s almost like Joe was a figure out of mythology . . . .
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Amen
that video of her singing the national anthem gave me chills
"Megatron or whatever, they need to change that name to something different because he probably could kick the crap out of Megatron." -Gunther Cunningham on Calvin Johnson
"Believe deep down in your heart that you are destined to do great things." -Joe Paterno
Rain or shine, turf or grass, Tech, Tech, kick their ass!
The Pollard article was great
He will be an easy kid to root for.
Recruiting should be interesting this year, seems like we should absolutely be in on some high end talent. That Bodani article was difficult to read. Must have went to the Peter King school of journalistic writing.
So BOB bid on a house in Boalsburg, eh?
Wonder if it's the same one Urban bought there, and now he's trying to get rid of it?
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I had a bad case of lunch cancer once.
Went away by supper time, though.
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Lunch cancer is no joking matter
its a serious disease that affects hundreds of dozens of people every year. That’s why I’ve started a fund to help those who suffer from lunch cancer and their loved ones. If you’d like to donate, please feel free to send me like, 5 bucks or something in the mail. Every donation helps.
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i shall
send you a sandwich to help you fight off this lunch disease that has affected trillions of people in the last 2 days alone
please
make it turkey. Mayo, hold the tomatoes.
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add pepperachinis
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
Cannibal.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I ain't no jive turkey
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"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm happy THON is this weekend.
They can finally bring to light the horrors of pediatric lunch cancer. Hopefully a lunch cancer survivor can tell their story during family hour.
I thought Subway settled this
whole Lunch Cancer thing out of court last year?
I must be mistaking it with the Shit Sandwich fiasco of 2011.
"If there’s a villain in this tragedy. It lies in that investigation, not in Joe Paterno’s response to it," ~ Phil Knight
OOOHH NOOO!!!!
didn’t you here that the withholding of tomatoes on a sandwich is the number one leading factor to lunch cancer
Pardon my ignorance.
What different roles do the trainer and the strength and condition coach play? Is it possible to get a new rundown of the coaches and are they all in place now?
Thanks.
the trainer is a doctor that helps hurt and injured players recover
the S&C coach works will all the players to develop the strength and conditioning to avoid injuries and become stronger.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
What does this mean about Dr. Sebastianelli?
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
He's still the team doctor.
As I said below, I’m pretty sure a trainer is not a doctor, although they are highly trained in the treatment and prevention of sports injuries. I think people with kinesiology degrees are often trainers, but I’m not 100% sure of this.
"I guess we had a couple of Catholics praying for US!" - JVP, after the down to the wire win over Notre Dame in 1987
Thanks, icavalera.
I was reacting to Spakajewia’s use of “dcotor” — didn’t want Dr. S to wind up wearing cement overshoes, like they did with Joe.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
No worries.
Just showing my mistrust of anything that looks, smells, or speaks of “Joyner”.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I'm mistaken, but a trainer isn't a doctor.
At least not in my experience, which admittedly doesn’t include college athletics.
"I guess we had a couple of Catholics praying for US!" - JVP, after the down to the wire win over Notre Dame in 1987
yeah, i almost said doctor or nurse, but that isn't right either
it’s the dude that tapes ankles.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Easy.
Trainer: treats injuries, tapes ankles, probably has a big role in overseeing injury rehab, etc.
Strength Coach: Screams at players to hit oversized truck tires with sledgehammers, makes players run until they puke.
by Chris Grovich on Feb 13, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Also, there's only one real change to the coaching staff since the profiles we ran.
We still don’t have a QB coach because Bill Belichick is apparently trying to keep George Godsey for himself up in New England.
by Chris Grovich on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Kerry Collins lives 20 miles south of me;
should I drop in and see what he is doing besides raising cows?
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Would rather have Darryl Clark
he seems like a much better communicator.
And less likely to show up hungover.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Kerry can always hang out with Fera.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I like Clark as a GA
not a QB Coach. Let him learn for a couple years before he makes that jump.
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Clark is a CRYBABY and dbag...IMO. Only LJ Jr pouted more on the sidelines
Give me Collins any day of the week over DC.
By no means was he a perfect man when younger but dude was in the league for a LONG time and know a ton of FB
May no act.................
I'm jumping in my car right now, STL,
and heading down 220 to get to KC’s house! Signing him up.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sold
but we need to hook him up with some Lipitor first.
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That he might need
Also he might need it more if he get back to State College, since he will be at The Diner and the Creamery all the time.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
But really....Whither Jay Paterno...
I follow him on twitter, he had a lot of Super Bowl opinions, so of which might have been heavily veiled swipes at BOB for overuse of offensive innovations, like the forward pass.
But what will become of him? I think he’s got a good shot to replace Joyner as AD, but that’s just a complete guess. It’s hard to imagine him leaving State College, but he’s not going to just sit on his ass for the rest of forever, either…
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
What is this forward pass you speak of?
I thought QB’s are only there to hand off for reverses.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
Or fullback dives.
I am in mourning over their apparent demise . . . .
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Have to appreciate
The play of a good fullback, since they are so rare these days.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
We have been blessed in the past with
good FB’s, and have a couple on the team right now. Would be a shame to see that talent go to waste.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
They are good players
Need that big running back for the short yardage and screens. Also can be very helpful in pass protection.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
Yep!
Sometimes, “you don’t know what you got til it’s gone.” Hope BOB’s offensive schemes have a place for our FB’s.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I can see him keeping them
And using them in the pass game more than anything else. I mean Gronk is a big dude, so is the Zordich, possible play the same role.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
I'm not "in the know" by any means
but I think there is ZERO chance Jay replaces Joyner as AD.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
do you think he'll go somewhere else to coach?
I thought of that role for Jay because I can’t imagine him really doing much of anything else at the University and it seems like he wants to stay in State College, but maybe he’ll be ready to leave, particularly once the season starts again…
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I have no clue.
If I had to guess, we’ll probably see some news in the next year about our ex coaches finding jobs at smaller schools.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
I think he sticks around
to file “defamation of character” suits against the BoT. Not because he is more vindictive than Joe, Sr., but because the BoT needs to be turned over someone’s knee and paddled with a four-inch wide leather belt.
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"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
hbeach, do you deal in the blueberrys and grapes from Chili? Curious whether the blueberrys are worth it this time of year.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
Grapes and stonefruit (peaches, nects, etc)
the next blueberry I sell will be the first.
They should be fine though. Blueberries out of South America have been overproduced for a few years now, so they should start getting pretty cheap this time of year.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Import fruit from South America (mainly Chile)
and sell it.
Kinda like a stockbroker except my currency turns to mush if it’s not sold in time, and the growers I represent won’t send me more fruit if I don’t get them a fair return. No idea how I ended up doing this, but it pays the bills.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
That is actually really interesting
I teach world geography, so when I saw you talking about fruit imports from South America, it peaked my interest.
Instead of stockbroker, your like the merchatile exchange but in real time products.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
mercantile exchange, yeah that's more like it
it is interesting. no season is the same to the say the least. 8.9 earthquake one year, freeze the next, peso – USD exchange, etc.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Stay away from tulips --
the Dutch never recovered as a world power after that market wilted.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
That and
Going to war with England a few times and not really exploiting their overseas colonies, except Indonesia. But those damn tulips really sucked, Europeans were nutz for them for the longest time. That and their textiles.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
Human nature hasn't changed much.
We go crazy about some silly things, too. The early 17th century Dutch would be at home in our time . . .
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
You are the middle man.
I’ve heard about you.
"I think what the university did to him was grossly wrong" -- Mike Ditka
I teach world geography
So, Aries, where IS Carmen Sandiego? And Waldo?
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
You really don't want to know
It will keep you awake at night picturing it.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
I was just wondering, cause blueberries were pretty cheap at my local butcher shop this past week and I do love blueberries.
I get 20lbs from the local Kiwanas club sale every July. Made pie for the first time last year and was very successful. We always flash freeze them in qt bags and have them in winter on cereal and pancakes but some fresh would be nice.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
yeah, like I mentioned....overproduction = good for sonsumers = bankrupt South American farmers
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
And Penn State wins the national championship
and they get to go to the White House to give him a jersey……BOOM
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things."
Oh no
I’m struggling not to think of how he would work an “end around” into his stump speech. Know this: it would not end well.
"I just want everyone in this situation to man the fuck up and accept some of the responsibility." SwHA
by kijana's acl on Feb 13, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think Bautista (sp??) is likely the next AD
He’s become a pretty big deal in the athletic department. And I can see him getting the job once he finished shepherding the hockey program to divsion 1.
Pretty impressive actually how much clout he has for a club sport coach.
IDK.
Bautista screwed up Cuba pretty badly, thus opening the door to Castro, with the result that I cannot get great cigars anymore. This is not a good thing.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
You were getting cigars pre-Castro?
How old are you?
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by kijana's acl on Feb 13, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not THAT old,
but I’ve had a few Cuban cigars in my time.
I was just playing with Bautista’s name . . . .
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 13, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still pissed that the Bucs let this guy go to Toronto.
"I think what the university did to him was grossly wrong" -- Mike Ditka
But he sucked.
I can’t even bring myself to complain about it at this point. It’s just being a Pirate fan. I didn’t notice he’d left until he’d hit about 30 home runs the next season, on my response was where, Mexico?
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We are NOT Iowa
"In every life there have to be some shadows. Look at me. My life has been filled with sunshine. A beautiful and caring wife. Five healthy children. I got to do what I loved. How many people are that lucky?" THE Joseph Vincent Paterno.
Our cheerleaders are prettier.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
So, wait.... BOB grew up in Andover, MA & will live in Boalsburg?
I grew up in Boalsburg & now live in Andover, MA. Cool.
Born and raised in the shadow of Mount Nittany
Focus was lost above... when will new coach be announced?
It feels like BOB should make this announcement in a day or so… perhaps in time to meet the QBs at junior day or meet Adam B on Friday?
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Think it's
too early for a siren warm up this weekend?
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