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It's implausible that any responsible lawyer, let alone one as experienced as Baldwin, would fail to make clear whom she represents and whom she does not. I believe she was instructed by Spanier to represent the three of them as Penn State employees. It's especially interesting that Joe Paterno brought his own counsel. He either spotted the obvious conflict of interest, realized that Old Main's objective would be to get people's stories straight (putting him at risk of perjury or conspiracy charges), and/or was (wisely) wary of being thrown under the bus by Spanier and those working at the President's behest.

As soon as Spanier issued his statement of "unconditional support" for Curley and Schultz, it occurred to me that he was trying to keep them on the ranch and have them "take one for the team." That hasty statement of support made no sense to me otherwise. It looked like the product of an anxiety attack from a very worried man. My opinion on this was further solidified when the University quickly agreed to pay Curley and Schultz's legal fees and allowed them gracious non-exits. "The team" in this case was probably sold to them by Spanier as good ol' State, but he was looking out for his own interests. They were on the stand, using that weird old man "horsing around" language they got from Jerry, because someone convinced them it was in PSU's best interests to get their stories straight and tell a tale that made the actual whistleblowers look like villains who downplayed the seriousness of the matter.

This scenario is further suggested by the statements made by the BOT about Spanier and Baldwin's minimization of the real risk to the University when Sarah's original Sandusky story appeared in the P-N as well as the CDT. In the frantic first days of unpreparedness following the arrests, Spanier was busy doctoring/softening the BOT's press release to suit his own interests, per several trustees. Garban, meanwhile, was inexplicably uninterested in reading the GJ report...why? Because he already knew what it said from Spanier?

Spanier is a so-so washboard player, but dude is truly some kind of magician. He's almost wholly disappeared from the Sandusky story, he likely engaged in machinations after the arrest to ensure that the BOT viewed Paterno as the bigger problem, and he somehow conned three professionals in his administration into taking actions that were not in any of their own best interests.

And now we're to believe that Baldwin somehow overlooked the one ethical lesson that is drilled into every attorney's head? Wasn't she in a large law firm where new clients are not accepted until a review is conducted to ensure there are no conflicts of interest? Seems a little difficult to believe she'd be so slipshod, especially because her hiring had to be for reasons other than the fact that some "external review" showed that PSU was highly unusual compared to its peer institutions because it didn't have in-house counsel. Why was she hired then, and not at an earlier or much later date? (The absence of in-house counsel would be an obvious oddity to anyone who spent time in any other major university setting. The complexities of a large university, including compliance with state and federal laws, make it extremely difficult for even a stellar outside firm to fully appreciate and advise on the day-to-day issues that crop up at a university.)

Yet in-house counsel (good ones) are pesky, always insisting that things be done on the up-and-up. I would not be surprised if Spanier deliberately avoided modernizing PSU's legal representation so as not to have his grand plans spoiled or delayed by annoying issues of compliance. No leader who truly cared about his/her institution (and not just his/her own ego) would subject such a well-regarded university to the level of risk that Spanier and the willfully ignorant BOT did. His reasons for doing so might have been similar to the reasons he lobbied for an exemption from typical Right to Know requirements for public institutions.

Why was Baldwin brought on board? Maybe Spanier knew this stuff was coming down, and needed to put a moat in around Old Main. Certainly, however, you'd think she'd get a strong head's up about the pending matter: "Oh, by the way, looks like your first big job will be to get us out of a mess involving our alleged complicity in allowing a pedophile to use our campus and the allure of PSU to entrap his young victims."

Unfortunately for Baldwin, however, the price of stepping up and filling that role on an emergency basis is that she now, along with Curley and Schultz, will take one for the team while the real culprit(s) play racquetball and pull rabbits out of hats (or whatever the hell it is he/they are doing these days). Maybe she was under Graham's magical spell, too, but why would this prominent lawyer in the later stages of her career agree to let Lanny Davis make her sound like an incompetent cardboard cutout of a lawyer?

Heck if I know, but I bet it's related to another mystery for our times--how it could be that a coach who allegedly "ran" all of PSU was told to dial a number to collect a "very special message" about the end of his career.

Great work identifying the real issues that tie the Sandusky mess to PSU, Sarah.

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I had never put my finger on it before reading this comment...

but there was always something fishy about how everybody seemed to use the same phrase – horsing around – to describe the situation. Yes, it’s possible that the expression is just more popular with the particular demographic of the key players in this story, but it still strikes me as odd.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 2, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

This struck me as odd from the get go as well

Then Sandusky used the same language (I think in the Costas interview) and I thought that maybe, when McQueary walked in on him, Sandusky himself used the phrase in a hurried effort to explain himself to McQueary. But McQueary testified that Sandusky didn’t say anything to him that night. So I see a few other explanations for the common use of this phrase:
1) coincidence
2) It originated with Mike when he talked to Joe. He may have used it again when talking to Curley/Schulz, or Paterno may have picked it up from Mike and passed it on to Curley/Schulz
3) It originated with Paterno, trying to characterize what Mike told him and was passed on to Curley/Schulz
4) It originated with Sandusky when Curley/Schulz talked to him, and was reported back to McQueary and/or Paterno
5) It originated with Curley/Schulz as a way to characterize their understanding of the incident, and was reported back to McQueary and/or Paterno
6) It originated years after the incident/“investigation” when certain people were trying to get their stories straight (I think this is least likely)

"My father did not have a broken heart. His heart was too strong. It couldn't be broken."
- Mary Kay Paterno-Hort

by Nittany_Ryan on Feb 2, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming any of 2 through 6 -

I know for myself that I would have made every effort to not use the same euphemisms as everyone else. It really does make it look like everybody got together and rehearsed everything ahead of time.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 2, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It's strange, no doubt about it

"My father did not have a broken heart. His heart was too strong. It couldn't be broken."
- Mary Kay Paterno-Hort

by Nittany_Ryan on Feb 2, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Or it just makes it look like one person made the decision here

and communicated the reason he had made that decision to everyone.

My guess is that it came from Sandusky himself, when Curley/Schultz talked to him since he’s the only one I have literally heard say that repeatedly. They then made their decision and used the same language to communicate/justify their decision to MM and Spanier.

by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 3, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I never really scrolled PennLive comments before.

Wow. That’s some grade A, pure Colombian, uncut crazy right there.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Feb 2, 2012 3:12 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

No.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Feb 2, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

JoeFromtheMountain

Chews ’shrooms and posts comments. There is no other logical explanation.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Feb 2, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaron Sorkin

chews ’shrooms and writes comments. It just seems to work better for him though.

Humanum est pati.

by Smee on Feb 2, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

This might be a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway.

Since she was with Curley and Schultz during and after they testified, and it’s likely that they either discussed the situation in the car or at a future point, could she be used as a witness for the prosecution in the perjury trial if they told her something that conflicts with their testimony under oath? If she’s claiming not to be their legal counsel, then would client confidentiality be applicable?

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 2, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm...

You think somebody’s fixin’ to throw them under the bus, and the first step is to have Baldwin disavow any involvement as their counsel?

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 2, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't thinking it was so much intentional as much as it just created an opportunity.

That’s why I was wondering if her testimony would be allowed if in fact she was told directly by Schultz or Curley that they committed perjury or any other incriminating evidence. I’m not even saying that I think they committed perjury, merely wondering what the potential implications of this could be.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 2, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I was told

there was nothing interesting or new to discuss in the Sandusky affair. So this article must be make-believe.

by M1EK on Feb 2, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

This was just posted today.

So what, exactly, is the point you are trying to make here?

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Feb 2, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey - be fair now.

It was posted yesterday.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 2, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Chris posted several times in the FanShot discussing the article.

The news hasn’t been hidden (it’s in two places), and it’s been commented on.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Feb 2, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But these posts are lacking the obligatory "We hate child molestors".

Unless at least 85% of the posts and comments discuss how horrible a person Paterno was and how he enabled a child molestor, how will the world know that we do not condone child rape?

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 2, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But seriously

this particular conspiracy theory at least has the merits of lining up with my desire to see Spanier fired out of a cannon, as I always had a hunch that he was the most directly responsible outside of Sandusky himself.

by M1EK on Feb 2, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

It's either Spanier or Schultz who bear the most responsibility beyond JS

Depends what Schultz said to Spanier, but we’ll never learn the truth there.

"I just want everyone in this situation to man the fuck up and accept some of the responsibility." SwHA

by kijana's acl on Feb 2, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd like to see Spanier fired out of a cannon based on "crisis management" alone

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by WFY on Feb 3, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I ah

think I know where we can get the cannon, but coming up with the powder could be a little dicey.

In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them

by PSUMarine78 on Feb 3, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

a little suphur, salt peter and sugar!

"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."

by BMAN13 on Feb 3, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming you want to bounce him off a roof in Boalsburg,

i.e., achieve a bit of range (not that I have anything against anyone in Boalsburg) it will require a bit more precision than grandpa’s “hey, watch this!” concoction, but that’s a nice stand-by.

In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them

by PSUMarine78 on Feb 3, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You could probably get about 5 working cannons in Boalsburg in about 10 minutes.

Possibly more depending on how well the ones at the military museum work. And there is more than enough balck powder available there to blast Spanier to Centre Hall.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Feb 4, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Just save some powder and wadding

for Jackwagon Davis. He should be part of the fireworks as well,

by cs93 on Feb 4, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I have powder and cannon

Getting the projectile into small enough pieces (3" bore) would be the challenge.

by cs93 on Feb 3, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering how we would convince the projectile

to slim down to something in a 155 before the party, but that’s why God made infantry and I figured that wasn’t my problem.

In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them

by PSUMarine78 on Feb 3, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

What say we go to Hawaii...

commandeer the U.S.S. Missouri, and figure out how to make a human body fill out a 16" bore. I figure if that gun can throw a 2,000 pound projectile 30+ miles, it should easily put a 250 pound projectile into low orbit.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I have access to lots of PATRIOT launchers

and 23,000 acres of stored munitions

"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."

by BMAN13 on Feb 4, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That's Infantry with a

capital “I”, if you please, 78. My pre-SF MOS was Infantry Indirect Fire Crewman —aka mortarman. I amy be of assistance in this endeavor.

Using LeeHarvey’s idea of the Missouri, here is what we do: Lure Spanier to Hawaii with the offer of a free camping trip. Once he is tucked into his sleeping bag, we duct-tape the hell out of him/it. Add some boards for rigidity, load him and the bags of explosives into the 16" gun (he can be made to fit quite easily), yell “Fire in the hole!”, and yank the lanyard. Aiming him at a particular target is a mathematical “solution” that is easily calculated. (Don’t forget to account for the impact of “mets” — meteorological condition.)

Hope this helps!

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 4, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The Missouri unloading pierside

from Pearl Harbor (while not technically feasible) should be reserved for a Blue and White pyrotechnic display in honor of our coach, whether or not our University finally decides on an appropriate means of “honoring” him.

Capital “eye” for the infantry acknowledged, though confusing mortarmen with artilleryman is akin to equating barristers with mere ambulance chasers (who we’ve heard from here). I’ve been told a 60mm beer can weighs much less than a round of HE, and so the mortar crews serve happy (in the Army I mean).

But this is about Mr. Spanier, who deserves the combined scrutiny of not only this august body but the attention of the media and beyond. Why has his name not come up as these weeks unfold, do you suppose?

In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them

by PSUMarine78 on Feb 4, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Spanier sits in a gray area for people,

including the MSM. I don’t think he was part of the GJ process, so it would take a little more effort to link him to the “cover-up”. Schultz, Curley, and Joe can be linked to the presentment,

which clearly identified the sinister cover-up.

I think Spanier will get a free ride until after all the legal procedures are completed, at which time the MSM will sift the ashes for embers and come up with Spanier.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 5, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Point it toward Columbus.

Maybe we can take care of two problems with one shot.

by CvilleLion on Feb 3, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

*Puts on her nerd hat*

Red leader standing by..

Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno

by Modanya on Feb 3, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

"Copy that, Red Leader. Are you

there, Red Leader? Red Leader, come in!"

Darn — she is out to launch again.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 4, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The article is down.

WTF?

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Feb 2, 2012 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

Eh, pr's comment summary page is still there.

I’m thinking technical glitch.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 2, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Gov. Corbett

probably threatened them!

/tinfoil hat

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by Tailgate Shogun on Feb 2, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Tinfoil hat ready

Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno

by Modanya on Feb 2, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Also NEW WORLD ORDER

Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno

by Modanya on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

To the extent they aren't controlled by the Illuminati...

Everyone head to the Denver Airport. Or run away from it. I don’t know, but it has something to do with the Denver Airport.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Feb 3, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That is where Pantheon's

government is based.

"If there’s a villain in this tragedy. It lies in that investigation, not in Joe Paterno’s response to it," ~ Phil Knight

by rahpsu92 on Feb 3, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the fact that the horse statue killed its maker before it was even finished.

Horse from hell:

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 3, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that the one from the Harley dealer out on 322?

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"

by NJ lion on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

To greet visitors flying in to the Denver airport.

You don’t get a warm feeling of hellfire and damnation? Nothing screams hospitality like fire & brimstone.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

It killed the sculptor before he finished?

Was it actually going to have a Nazgul riding on its back when it was complete?

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

According to Wiki:
He was killed in his studio on June 13, 2006 when a large section of Blue Mustang, intended for Denver International Airport, fell on him and severed an artery in his leg.

Sounds like a pretty friendly horse.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 3, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Link to Luis Jimenez's page

For slightly more information

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 3, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Mach I or Boss 302?

"I think what the university did to him was grossly wrong" -- Mike Ditka

by SubLime on Feb 3, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I've heard that.

Plus they put up all of these murals where they tell everybody how they are going to kill everybody on the planet, and something about everybody who goes into the basement dies. It’s quite scientific.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Feb 3, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I've seen it myself.

A few years ago I was flying in to DEN and had to circle the airport – it’s a little cockeyed, but it’s there, plain as day.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 3, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

There it is.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 3, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Freemasons?

You shouldn’t stereotype these people.

Settle it on the field!

by PSUncle1981 on Feb 3, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

For the record, my dad, uncle, and brother are all active in the Masonic lodge.

Maybe I’ll take my own slice of the pie one day myself.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 3, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

No no no It depends on the pie

Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno

by Modanya on Feb 3, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes,

Yes there is….

Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno

by Modanya on Feb 3, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Go on...

Sandwich is the best
Bread use aside from making
Russians stand in line

by WorldBFat on Feb 3, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad pie

Any of the coconuts (Its not the flavor its the consistency) and Pie that isn’t cooked properly…trust me there is bad pie..

Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno

by Modanya on Feb 4, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for posting this LeeHarvey!

Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson

by belbijou on Feb 3, 2012 7:51 AM EST reply actions  

I just want to point out this is one of the greatest post titles I've ever seen.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 3, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

I just wish we could actually get planetrockville to join our discussion

PennLive killed my comment there telling him (her?) to check out BSD, and a Google search for ‘planetrockville’ turns up bupkiss.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Well if you're successful, I think you need to join our coaching staff and start recruiting for PSU.

With that kind of commitment and diligence, we’ll have a top 10 class every year!

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 3, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought there was a silent "h" in bhupkiss.

"I think what the university did to him was grossly wrong" -- Mike Ditka

by SubLime on Feb 3, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

There may be.

I’m not really fluent in Yiddish.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 3, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually have no clue . . .

I was making that up.

"I think what the university did to him was grossly wrong" -- Mike Ditka

by SubLime on Feb 3, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

See, you fell for the joke.

No one is fluent in Yiddish. It’s impossible to speak fluently.

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by leeharvey418 on Feb 3, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

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