Is BSD afraid of change?
I feel like I've seen a post here or there about changes coming to PSU's football program, but that I don't have a real grasp on the pulse of what folks around here really think. Frankly, I was surprised by how hateful some of the comments in articles about the topic really were (I know, I should not be surprised by comment sections).
When I'm talking about change I don't really mean changes to the offense/defense because those were obviously going to happen and always happen when anyone from a staff cycles into a new role.
What I'm talking about are the seemingly "minor" rule changes and philosophies. Anyone who knows PSU is aware that we (generally) hold tradition in high regard. That tradition has usually involved a hard-working, clean-cut, well-spoken image for our players that tried to emphasize the student in student-athlete. That said, we also hold winning in high regard and some people have thought we could be doing a lot more of that if we were a little more relaxed, open, and (for lack of better words) fun/exciting.
I'd like BSD's thoughts...
Some articles focused on this.
http://blog.pennlive.com/pasports/2012/02/penn_state_head_football_coach.html
http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/psu/mc-penn-state-football-0202-20120202,0,5192208.story
My take is a mix of "Oh my God they are changing everything I love about PSU!!!1!!11!" and "Who cares as long as the big things don't change?"
A little story that I think relates. I went home to THON this last weekend and stayed at my fraternity. There were no less than 20 alums also staying who ranged in age from just graduated to mid-30's. We got to talking about why more people don't stay engaged in the house after college and a recent grad said, "I'll probably stop coming here once everyone in the house graduates that I went to school with... it has changed so much just since I've left." I certainly see what he is saying. The music has "changed", they hang out in different parts of the house, some of them would rather bar hop on a Friday than hang out with the rest of the house who can't go out, and facebook has made their parties grow in size to the point where I'm not really sure why they even bother hosting/paying for so many people they'll probably never see again (our parties were always very small and I could actually meet everyone there and remember them the next weekend). On the other hand, everything I loved about the house is still generally intact (e.g., shared interests with many, many, many people that make it easy to become fast friends).
And then I sat in a board meeting with some of the much older guys from the house (guys coming back who were class of '61 and such) who seem very much out of touch with the reality of the current college student. When they went, the college student was the cream of the crop in terms of having their crap together and (often) having wealthy parents. Accordingly, the rules were strict, the alumni very demanding, and the students were adjusted to that. Fast forward and apply those same rules to 2012 and we wouldn't have anyone in the house, but they always suggest implementing rules that simply won't work in the current culture.
I have noticed that certain rules that were around in my time just simply don't apply any longer. But I've also noticed that these students are doing more philanthropy (their THON total was, embarrassingly to me, at least 8x higher than what we raised 8 years earlier), are more heavily involved in on-campus clubs, seem to drink less (outside of parties), and are holding down higher GPA's than the house I was in did. So, do those strict rules matter? Do they, at this point, just keep out smart and motivated kids who would rather spend their time worrying about things that matter?
As long as the changes in football (and in my fraternity) don't tread on an emphasis on teamwork and school work, I don't really care at all about changes. I think it fits the reality of the current disposition of college-aged kids, and I think changing some of these little things might just land us a recruit/pledge or two that thought the rules were a bit draconian before but that still had the academics and team spirit that we value.
Let's be honest, PSU players had their fair share of issues with the authorities in the past, so it isn't like a focus on the "little things" led to players always behaving like saints.
I think/hope that BOB's relaxing of certain rules will allow him more time to focus on the big things that are really important to most PSU alums. And as long as he doesn't change those things, I think he really deserves a long leash on making this program his own.
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"I thought some things needed to change and I'd be fine if he changed some other things."
I think BOB’s pushing the right buttons so far. There was a need to drag the program out of the Stone Age with respect to media accessibility and marketing. I don’t care if the players have long hair, beards, etc. I mean, seriously, most of them were covered in ink already. Give me a dreadlocked, tattooed, bearded kid who does well in the classroom and on the field. Joe taught a lot of people to look past color, now it’s time for a lot of others to look past dumb stuff like hair length and beards.
(Incidentally, I think it’s a tiny minority of people who really care about this clean-cut requirement going away.)
by Chris Grovich on Feb 22, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
agree with everything you say.
You can still be disciplined and have long hair, beard, etc. This from someone who got 2 promotions in 05-06 time frame after cutting off his pony tail that he had since the late 80’s. Still makes me laugh that me with short hair is any different than me with long hair.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
Reminds me of these lyrics....
from the 1970’s song by Five Man Electrical Band (Many of you guys won’t have any idea who they were)
And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply
So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why
He said you look like a fine upstanding young man, I think you’ll do
So I took off my hat I said imagine that, huh, me working for you
woah!
Sign Sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
Do this, don’t do that, can’t you read the sign
That was a great song from
If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.
from
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If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.
5 Man Electrical Band
Born in Fort Sanders - 1st Residence Aconda Court (Alumni Hall) - 1st games at Neyland 1947 - Mother = TORCHBEARER - Dad grad of UT & UT Law + professor BORN ORANGE and BLEED ORANGE .......
That song used to be part of my playlist. Haven't played it since I got my hair cut
Same as David Crosby’s Almost Cut My Hair.
I have thought about bringing both back into the playlist, just because I was there once and know.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
What about
Long Haired Country Boy for some country flavor?
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
I have played that, but you really need a band
the verse is one chord with an occasional 7th thrown in. Pretty hard to pull off alone on accoustic guitar unless you are a masterful finger picker, and I am not.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
than and I met Charlie Daniels years ago and he is absolutely the nicest professional muscian out there.
He is truly a good person. I still feel I could show up at his place and say I met him 25 years ago and he invited me, and he would welcome me in, no problem. The guy is amazing.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
But does he play a mean fiddle?
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
met him as well and had the same impression.
That guy is just one cool cat.
I thought that was a Tesla song.
(just kidding)
"I guess we had a couple of Catholics praying for US!" - JVP, after the down to the wire win over Notre Dame in 1987
I think a lot of people have
1986 Fiesta Bowl PSU vs. Miami in mind when they are clingy to image. “OMG is PSU allows hats and facial hair the team is going to turn into a bunch on hedonistic jungle animals.”
I do like to see our guys in suits for travel (but a suit pairs surprisingly well with dreads).
"If there’s a villain in this tragedy. It lies in that investigation, not in Joe Paterno’s response to it," ~ Phil Knight
by rahpsu92 on Feb 22, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a really good point about the Fiesta Bowl
It’s like PSU has had to live up to that image ever since.
by Chris Grovich on Feb 22, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Miami too.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Feb 22, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In their defense
up until the last few years, they did a wonderful job of it.
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
That was the image
before then, too. It’s just that there wasn’t such a contrast in 1982, and in 1979 and 1985, well, we lost.
It was the image for all champions back then.
The PSU team that beat Georgia was the first national champion to throw for more yards than it ran for. Innovation!!
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
I'd be more than a little dissapointed if the suit requirement went away
My high school wrestling coach made us wear shirt and ties to away matches. If you didn’t wear them, you didn’t travel- didn’t matter who you were. It was annoying to a bunch of 14-18 year olds, but looking back on it, I’m glad he had the rule.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 22, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I did like that too
Same with basketball in high school. When we had away games, we were in shirts and ties.
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
I'm ok with beards to a point, but I'm not ok with long hair
The greater issue really is putting professional looking players out in front of the camera. I don’t care how smart, articulate, or generally well spoken a person is- the way they look will make both a first impression and a lasting one. Facial hair is fine so long as it is well groomed. The minute neckbeards and stringy AJ Hawk hair start coming out is the minute that PSU players lose respect of those that are non-football fans.
Playing for PSU is a priviledge that comes with some big responsibilities. They are ambassadors for our university, right or wrong, and in many cases, the face of the university. As such, they need to be not only well spoke, articulate and smart, but they also need to look the part. Football programs will always have a target on their back for folks who don’t understand the value that sports bring to an institution. They don’t need any extra ammunition
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 22, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeehaw
Football programs will always have a target on their back for folks who don’t understand the value that sports bring to an institution.
Underscored, emphasized, written twice.
Humanum est pati.
That wasn't the best sentence I've ever written
but I think the point stands
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 22, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with your first paragraph
I love Brett Keisel as a player, but not sure I want that as a Penn State image
If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.
Meh, long hair doesn't bother me so much.
As long as the other qualities you mentioned are generally there (smart, articulate, etc), I’m ok. Let them have their long hair and beards while they’re in college. For most of them, it’s their last chance to express themselves in that manner, as their next stop is the real world and a real job.
"I guess we had a couple of Catholics praying for US!" - JVP, after the down to the wire win over Notre Dame in 1987
The Jon Ritchie kid from Cumberland Valley reminds me of this
He had very long hair in high school and at Stanford but was a fabulous student and even played in the band at halftime, in uniform, for his high school.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
that's what I voted
thanks for typing it all the way out Chris
I’m too busy trying to find clean clothes to wear ironing my shirt , rubber banding my goatee trimming my hair, and chugging beers drinking earl grey tea to type all that.
#KEEPINGUPTHEIMAGEFUHEVAH
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
by hbeach08 on Feb 22, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm laughing at the image of you rubber banding a giant goatee
Like you’re Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart or something.
by Chris Grovich on Feb 22, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
(Really, Captain Lou. I don't think The Anvil rubber-banded.)
by Chris Grovich on Feb 22, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, hbeach,
your nose hairs could use a trim as well . . . . Either that, or remove those two Brillo pads stuffed up your nostrils.
J/K, man!
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 22, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm 5'6"
so have a different point-of-view than you big guys.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 22, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
What about Leapin' Lanny Poffo?
"I guess we had a couple of Catholics praying for US!" - JVP, after the down to the wire win over Notre Dame in 1987
I now picture hbeach as Dionysus being fed his south american fruit by beautiful women
long hair and beard, guzzling wine from large ewer.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
Shades of Dionysus!
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 23, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Count me as someone who really cares about the clean-cut image
I think it is important to appear professional and put together from the ball boys all the way through the head coach. It worked here for years and it became fabric of our program. But at the same time I get it if BOB wants change so be it, I will still watch the team. However now I will have more to bitch about than the play calling.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Feb 22, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I will cite cause-and-effect if play suffers
because the grooming standards have gone to Hades.
/Off to buy firewood and pitchfork.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 22, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, remember when Tamba had dreadlocks in HS.
Joe didn’t force him to cut his hair – he cut it because it’s part of the tradition. That’s what I like.
Joseph V. Paterno has left an impression on my soul that wil never, EVER go away.
by GoodOleDays on Feb 22, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm alright so far
Allowing longer hair and facial hair is pretty minor. Mixing up S&C was a good thing, IMO. And making the program more accessible is refreshing, so long as it doesn’t get to USC levels of looseness.
So right now, put me in the “just right” category.
Consider this my official declaration of non-support of child molestation.
Some changes are good.
I expect to see changes to our defense and offense. I understand there me a period of “meh” type of play unitl the staff is able to recruit players to fit the new system.
What I don’t want to see is for the staff to toss all the moral values out the window to win. I would hope that they continue to prepare these men for the future that awaits them when football is over.
I want our players to be respected as men. I want them in suits for travel during away games. I understand that this is a different era and values have changed. I am willing to except these minor changes with longer hair and etc.
The one I never want to see change are the uni’s.
Settle it on the field!
me = may
sorry about that
Settle it on the field!
by PSUncle1981 on Feb 22, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Your first paragraph describes Michigan fans in 2008.
Your second paragraph describes Michigan fans in 2009.
The little things matter, for sure. But as long as the core values remain, I think fans will be able to live with dreadlocks and heavy metal music.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, I've got nothing wrong with the changes so far.
New S&C program, including a gutted weight room with state of the art equipment in the largest single-sport weightroom in the country? Check.
Allowing the players to look and dress how they want, with minor (still acceptable) limitations? Check.
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Yea. I'm cool with the changes
Let the guys be guys. I mean, i don’t really want to see a Kiesel beard or hair out of the helmet but I’m not going to lose my shit over it if it happens. Keep the guys in class, out of trouble, and win a couple of games and I’m good.
Do not touch the unis though. Do that, and I’ll have your head.
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
^ This!
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 22, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
We fear change.

You'll be my uncle now, you damn rascal!
by WorldBFat on Feb 22, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
You're throwing rocks tonight.
Rec!
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by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 22, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Changes so far are fine by me.
More importantly, the changes so far seem to have excited the returning players.
This is the biggest reason I'm kind of feeling pretty comfortable...
If the players are excited (and still working hard), that’s going to rub off on new recruits and on turning in a better product on the field. It’s certainly easier to go from more strict to less strict in that regard.
Plus, I think it’s possible some of the players had the same feelings some of the fans did… that our talent was being underutilized in certain areas. Any time you feel that way, change is great.
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 22, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Change I would like to see
If Tim Curley retires after his portion of “it” concludes, I would like to see Joe Battista given the Athletic Director job. I think he would be a great balance between old and new, what’s important and what’s not, and a focus on excellence with a need for winning performance. He’s done it as a player, has done it as a coach, has done it as an administrator. He’s old enough to know better and young enough to have the passion. I think he would be a great help to BOB.
Humanum est pati.
Dave Joyner isn't going anywhere
Within a month of Curley’s resolution, they make Joyner permanent.
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As much as I like Dave
I think JoeBa is an opportunity to change a bit differently — and better. Some of Dave’s decisions so far have not been good.
Humanum est pati.
I pray every night that you are wrong!
Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson
I'm afraid...
that next season when Moo Moo breaks off a big run or Mauti decapitates a running back five yards behind the line on third down, that I’m not going to care – at least not as much.
I need time to see if things are too different.
Unrepentant Joe Paterno Apologist®
God football season needs to get here again...
Mauti decapitates a running back five yards behind the line on third down
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 22, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Remember "They Call Me Assassin"
about Jack Tatum.
There was a part in there where he dreamed he hit someone so hard that the guys helmet flies off …. with his head in it!
Loved that line!
If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.
"It's only funny until someone loses an eye --
then it’s hysterical!"
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 22, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's the changes themselves that everyone's afraid of.
It’s the effect those changes are going to have. Anything that can be seen as a threat to our ideals is going to scare a lot of people. Whether that fear is founded in reality or is irrational is a different discussion. I really don’t care what they do as long as our players continue to do well academically and athletically and we continue to do things the right way. Whether things are done the right way with long hair or facial hair is irrelevant to me. I do want to avoid anything over the top though. The only thing that I don’t want to see change besides the uniforms is the type of players we get. I want players we can be proud of for their accomplishments off the football field as well as on it. If the quality and character of our players don’t change, I will have no problems.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 22, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good point about the quality and character of our players.
The only thing is, I don’t think Joe ever really didn’t recruit a player who might be a challenge to mold simply for that reason (although maybe he didn’t). Maybe what we should be asking is can O’Brien mold these young men into Penn Staters (in the JayPa sense of the word) without being strict about every little thing?
I think the first obstacle in that is maintaining enough of a focus on the same things Paterno did that people who come here still understand the high standard (and will avoid us if they don’t want it). So far, I’ve not gotten the impression that the standards for behavior have really changed…
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 22, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not upset at changs so far, but
what role did the stricter rules play in reinforcing discipline and team unity on the path towards molding better men?
The individual rules themselves may be silly and trivial. However when those rules are grouped together to create a package of expectations and standards, they may go a long way towards instilling a sense of pride in what each individual player is doing. That sense of pride can go a long way towards making good things happen.
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
by bconway6 on Feb 22, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That's something I didn't really consider but is very true.
Look at how many times players mentioned Paterno making sure everyone was 15 minutes early to meetings. When it stands alone it doesn’t seem important, but it’s part of a larger package. After all, Joe did say “If you take care of the little things, the big things will take care of themselves.”
I’m still ok with some of the standards being relaxed, however I still expect players to look respectable all the time, not just in front of cameras.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 22, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
"Sloppiness
is a disease. Nobody ever built a great organization just worrying about the big things. It’s the little things that give you the edge. If the equipment man in the locker room doesn’t check his equipment properly, the player senses it and the sloppiness gets into his bloodstream and the disease spreads. And the most difficult thing is to find people on every level who understand that and who are completely committed to detail and to standards of excellence."
- you know who…
Humanum est pati.
by Smee on Feb 22, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I am happy with the changes
As long as the team stays out of trouble and continues to work hard and work with the community and go to class….etc….etc….etc. I don’t care about he minor changes. I feel it is a give and take situation. If it gets to loose and the teams start to slack off I would like to see BOB put the hammer down and put some restrictions back on. If the team does everything they are should do and more then why not give the freedom.
BO'B doesn't have the stature to have all those rules
Players put it up with it because they were “playing for JOE PATERNO, legendary football coach.” Bill O’Brien has a long way to go before he can be a hard-liner.
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Yea. Look at Edsall in MD
Then again, I’m pretty sure he’s just a douchea.
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
When Joe started in the 60's...
that was Modus Operandi. Most people “dressed” to travel and be viewed in public. As a student at Penn State in the 60’s, fraternity men wore suits and their dates wore cocktail dresses to football games.
So it was a bit easier for JoePa to continue the tradition. I think suits and ties are a bit too much (after all we lost a great running back’s eligibility over a suit (sarc)), but business casual would be appropriate. I hope that they don’t get to public “viewings” in jeans, flip flops, no socks tee shirts, etc. But this is the 21st century.
If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.
Business Casual
So suits without ties? Thats my definition, anyways.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 22, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer shirt, tie, no jacket
I go to a lot of doctor’s conferences and I’m trying to single-handedly make that the look and overthrow the tyranny of the jacket-no-tie. So far I’m not having much luck.
It bothers me especially to go to a meeting in Florida or DC in summer and see people in suits, especially, three-piece suits. Think of all the energy that could be saved in buildings didn’t have to be air conditioned enough to keep people in three layers of wool cooled off. It’s madness. Why can’t we, as an advanced society, stop it?
To me, suit-no-tie says “I’m a rich guy pretending to be a man of the people.” Like David Cameron.
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I hate buttoning the top button
I feel much more stuffy and hot wearing just a shirt and tie than I do wearing a shirt and jacket without the top buttoned.
And I used to live in Florida, and incidentally now DC, so I understand where you’re coming from.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
I don’t find that to be the case.
Maybe you need to go up a half size on your shirt collar? Or maybe I need a different kind of jacket.
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Lived in O-town for 13 years
Went from air-conditioned house to air-conditioned car to air-conditioned office. But I’m with physicist, the tie is what got me. Open collar, no prob. Buttoned collar, heat. So I started wearing pre-underarmour synthetic shirts as undershirts and that took care of 90% of the issue. That and summer-weight wool.
Humanum est pati.
I have a giant neck...
but I’m not that big of a guy (I assume this has to do with a mix of genetics and playing football for 10 years). So if I find a shirt that actually fits my neck, I look like I’m wearing a potato sack.
I think I may make my great contribution to the world a shirt/tie combo that still looks classy but doesn’t strangle you. Once that happens, I’ll actually enjoy dressing up. Most of the materials and things are actually pretty comfortable if you get stuff that fits you.
Sorry reed… until I can get that to catch on, I actively combat you.
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 23, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
You can buy neck extenders
that increase the collar by a half-inch. As the ad says, you can buy a shirt with a 16-inch collar and use this gadget to make it a 16.5 inch collar.
http://www.amazon.com/Wonder-Button-Collar-Expanders-Extender/dp/B0008172YS
And, no, they don’t work elsewhere on the body.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 23, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Only about the neck part, BNitts!
My other comment was a preemptive strike.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 24, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
If you aren't talking > 18" neck,
I can recommend JCPenney dress shirts in their “Athletic” cut. I can get shirts with an 18" neck and generous shoulder room without it looking like a tent amidships.
Alea iacta est...
An 18" neck is right on the edge of comfortable for me.
Glad to see I’m not the only misshapen freak around here.
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by leeharvey418 on Feb 24, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
I wear a 19 or 19 1/2 and 36 pants.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
Holy shit this subthread is so helpful
/buys neck extenders
//surfs to jc penneys for athletic cut.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
the neck extenders sound great.
I just prefer not to wear ties. I had shorts on at work yesterday and today.
ooh, funny tangent. I had shorts on a couple weeks ago and a young woman, married to a guy in my section, walked up and said “shorts? its January” now I do know her very well, she comes out to hear me play.
I answered, “there you go, always have to look down there first thing” she shook her head and said she was telling my wife what a dog I am, like that will be the first.
An hour later, our female commander walks by and the first thing she says is “Shorts? its January” I bit my tongue, very hard, smiled and said," yeah, low heating bills are great"
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
I have an assistant
who wears shorts and sandals throughout almost the entire winter. I think it takes <20 degrees and wind to make him wear shoes. (The shorts don’t change)
Alea iacta est...
I've never seen the problem with that.
Women still wear skirts in the winter time, right? What’s the difference?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Didn't Joe Namath wear pantyhose
in some of the colder games?
Course, Joe walked to the beat of a different drummer.
If you are tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department normally uses water.
Cheat!
cost, ackwardness, shortlife, hand wash, drip dri .. nothing about them
just forget this
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by ComfortHePuHuTh on Feb 25, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'm really like a 19" neck, but I often squeeze into an 18 (by moving the button)
because the shirts fit so much better. I really can’t believe that there’s not enough of a market for 18.5" and 19" shirts that aren’t tents.
I mean, I don’t dress up every day or anything, so I haven’t shopped everywhere, but anywhere I’ve found the right size neck the shirt has just been ridiculous. Seems like a huge jump up in actual shirt size from an 18".
I’ll have to check out the athletic cut. Or really shop around a big and tall. Or just get the damn shirts tailored ($$$$$$$).
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 24, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Are those JoePa shirts
with the screen printed tie still available?
"If there’s a villain in this tragedy. It lies in that investigation, not in Joe Paterno’s response to it," ~ Phil Knight
I always rock the Don Johnson.
i.e. Jacket with t-shirt. Usually black, as opposed to pink and white, but close enough.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Start with bottled Water.
Quite simply the single greatest waste of money, energy and natural resources created by man. Possibly the the worst thing ever invented.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I have long hair and a beard [mot of the time]
And I can understand people’s concern with how the team will be perceived if they have long hair and beards. I see it every time a suit walks by me or interacts with me at my job.
FTFY.
Get a job haircut, hippie!
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 22, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
If I could grow a beard
I would. Until that time comes, I have settled for a goatee.
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
It's interesting. I usually grow a full beard in the winter.
But if there’s something I have to “look respectable for” like going to do testing at a school or going on a job interview, I go back to a neatly trimmed goattee (me w/o any facial hair has only happened once since my freshman year and I don’t see it happening again).
Personally, I don’t think players have to “look respectable” in order to play football and sound intelligent on TV. But hopefully they still get the picture that people will judge them by their looks and keep things within reason. I imagine if things do not stay within reason that the rules will change. BOB has to know that we are well aware that these players are representatives of our school.
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 22, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
"A little change is refreshing and I think he's done just right."
Some things had to change following JoePa’s tenure and I’m ok with that. I think PSU was way too conservative in some ways especially off the field (I don’t think Facial hair or having a bit of long hair makes discipline any harder..that is a myth).
What I’m not going to be a fan of is if, PSU’s graduation rate and academic success rate among it’s football players falls. I hope BO’B respects and adheres to the strong tradition of academic success.
But being more open, allowing these kids a little bit more room to breath and express themselves; I have no problem with that.
short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.
I'm OK with facial hair and long(ish) hair as long as it is groomed.
And I like some well groomed dreadlocks, although I don’t know why a football player would want to give someone something to grab onto.
Someone touched on it above, but a kid who is willing to cut off his hair to play for PSU shows some character. It may have been Redd who cut off his dreads and said "I wanted to cut them off before Coach told me I had to ". If it was not him, please feel free to correct me, but that was awesome.
Keep the suits and ties. Keep the academic focus. Keep the respectful attitude.
UNCIVIL!
Agreed.
Never understood the Long Hair thing either. I don’t think it should be a personal foul either if a player is tackled by that hair…after all it is he who chooses to wear it that long and expose it
short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Feb 22, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was Devon Smith
But I agree with you. I actually kinda like the beards.
And I don’t like the porn staches, but they are pretty awesome anyway
Fire Dan Snyder
Bing Bing!
"If there’s a villain in this tragedy. It lies in that investigation, not in Joe Paterno’s response to it," ~ Phil Knight
The HULLSTACHE!
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
This is pretty much my position, as well.
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." Joseph Vincent Paterno 1926-2012
You are a pack animal.
"If there’s a villain in this tragedy. It lies in that investigation, not in Joe Paterno’s response to it," ~ Phil Knight
You only like long(ish) hair
because of that one pic of Paul Posluszny that gets posted on here by you divas. Be honest!
/cue that picture posted by a BSDiva
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
His hair is short here. I don't like him with long hair. Its too AJ Hawkish
by letsgopsu on Feb 23, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
agree on the long hair on him
and I must rec every time you post this pic.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Feb 23, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I too must rec this picture every time.
And I don’t like him with long hair either.
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." Joseph Vincent Paterno 1926-2012
You're welcome for giving you the opportunity to post it :)
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
I admit it
Shirtless, untanned, PSU all-timer of a linebacker, on a beach with boxers sticking out over the shorts.
Eating potato salad.
Yeah, I like this. Every time.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Nothing says sexy like potato salad.
Nothing.
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by leeharvey418 on Feb 23, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
If that picture was a girl eating potato salad...
would you be looking at the potato salad?
Something tells me the BSDivas are not either…
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 23, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
The what?
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." Joseph Vincent Paterno 1926-2012
by Paige2PSU on Feb 23, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly my thought!
How many times have we seen this posted, and this is the first I’ve heard of it.
Fire Dan Snyder
I still get stressed about all the sand getting in his food.
"Today we have experienced a great loss. This loss is incomparable to what we gained from coach Paterno." - Mike Wallace
by PSUinBOSSton on Feb 23, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
HUGE guffaws at this!
I’m not quite sure why, but fastidiousness has been cracking me up lately.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Josh Hull, the best PSU porn stache ever!!

short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.
Gotta throw in the old school Tom Bradley
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by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 22, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Good one!
short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Feb 22, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Bradley looks like he's 40 in that photo.
by Chris Grovich on Feb 22, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Porn staches....
Will do that.
short in stature, tall in power, wide of vision & narrow of purpose.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Feb 22, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
And oddly he must never have aged...
because he still looks 40 to me now.
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 22, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think just about everyone in the 70's looked at least 10 years older than their actual age.
"I guess we had a couple of Catholics praying for US!" - JVP, after the down to the wire win over Notre Dame in 1987
What did that look like when it wasn't all curled up?
Gross…..
Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson
I doubt this dude
Has had that down in awhile.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
As long as they're graduating
winning, and generally making OSU look like a bunch of idiots, I don’t care how long their beards and hair are.
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things."
"A little change is refreshing"
But I was hoping for the “wait and see” option. I’m echoing a lot of the above comments, but as long as we recruit good football players who are good people, good students, and people we can look at as people we are satisfied as representatives of our school, I’m fine with it.
Give me somebody who looks like Julio Jones (damn Scouting Combine ad) and goes to class and is well-spoken over someone who looks like Aaron Rodgers but skips class in favor of PS3 anyday. The rule changes don’t impact me; it’s what people do with them that will.
I'm okay with change
Some change is needed, and some change will help benefit the program in the long run. And I don’t give a rats ass if people have hats on indoors or a beard, provided they’re still representing PSU well on and off the field.
HOWEVER.
The first time I see the team come out of the tunnel with diamond-plate pants, and neon winged helmets, and sharkskin jerseys, and glo-in-the-dark numbers, or whatever the f else sissy nonsense Oregon does….
I WILL TEAR BEAVER STADIUM DOWN, AND USE THE RUBBLE TO FURTHER SMASH THE PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
Trust me on this.
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by Tailgate Shogun on Feb 22, 2012 6:00 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Its all fun and games
until we get a white kid with dreadlocks.
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by skarocksoi on Feb 22, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think BOB should allow the team 1 time per year design a uniform
May no act.................
by SweepTheLeg on Feb 22, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
As long
as it’s done with crayons in an art class, sure.
The minute they trot out some shit onto the field? It’s ON.
365 beers from 365 different breweries in 365 days. Game on.
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by Tailgate Shogun on Feb 23, 2012 6:58 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I'll be right there with you
Except I’ll be doing that the first time I see names on our jerseys
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Neat, orderly, and unassuming.
Hair. Manner(s). Speech. Uniforms. Gameplan. Too much pizazz is a cover for too little substance. Hair doesn’t have to be high and tight, but no “dandelions gone to seed”. Same for facial hair- neat, trimmed, modest. Let the performance on the field speak for you.
/obligatory ‘get off my lawn ref’
Alea iacta est...
I'm kind of amazed at the dichotomy
On the one hand, people don’t seem to care about the players’ appearance, and on the other hand changing the uniforms will apparently result in Beaver Stadium being torn to the ground. Isn’t the iconic PSU image both its simple uniforms and well groomed young men? That is to say that appearances do matter. What is the difference between a uniform and a player’s personal appearance?
Our uniforms are symbolic of our program and the values for which it stands. How then, are well groomed, upstanding young men not extensions of those uniforms?
I take a lot of pride in watching the young men respond to the media, mostly because they are well spoken, polite, highly articulate and intelligent young men. Their appearance certainly aids tremendously in that perception. Contrast that with interviews of Courtney Upshaw and Trent high on something Richardson. As a college football fan I was embarrassed. If I was an Alabama alumn, I would have been sickened.
I watch college football because it keeps me connected with my alma mater. I love Penn State football because it has always stood for something more than football. We know that our boys will make us proud in life outside of football. And the simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority will end their football careers when they graduate.
I think the biggest problem that I have with it is that anything but extremely subtle individuality has no place on a team. You are part of something bigger than you. Embrace it. Care more about your team than yourself. When you wake up every morning and look in the mirror, you should have a reminder of that. And you should take pride in that appearance, if not for yourself, then for the fact that you are representing your teammates as well.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 22, 2012 6:17 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
This is the one thing...
And the simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority will end their football careers when they graduate.
That makes me think this is a big deal. Let’s be honest… some of the athletes we do get do not come in ready to take on the world. We may tend to actually get guys to come here that embraced the whole thing, but most college students are not ready to take on the world, especially people who have always just been taught that their athletic prowess will get them through (I was a TA for a number of football players at Vanderbilt… academically focused as it is, they needed lots of help just keeping everything together).
If you want to succeed in life once your athletics don’t mean anything to a potential employer, you have to have an understanding of the way the rest of the world works. I haven’t met anyone in powerful and high paying positions who have face tattoos, long hair, and gnarly beards. They may exist, particularly among hardworking self-employed people in a field known for not taking itself seriously (e.g., a surfboard maker or a brewer), but they aren’t the rule. Heck, even look at brewers. Sam Calgione of Dogfish Head has this chill vibe to him, but he’s clean cut and articulate. Jim Koch of Sam Adams looks like a freaking banker most times.
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 23, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Yeah, I rec'd both of you for these sentiments
So far I’m pretty psyched about BOB. Among other things, he’s actually likable, which I had no reason to expect that we’d get.
But I do worry about a change, more in the fanbase, in memory of this point:
And the simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority will end their football careers when they graduate.
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Complementary Hypothetical Discussion
Coach A: Coach BOB The players want to know if they can wear hats in the building and grow beards.
Coach BOB: What? Is that a serious question?
Coach A: Yes.
Coach BOB: Seriously, was that like a rule or something? What the hell do I care if they grow a beard?
Coach A: It’s kind of a longstanding tradition.
Coach BOB: As near as I can tell this team has run 15 different plays in the last 10 years, I think we’ve got badder fish to fry than beards.
Coach A: Still….
Coach BOB: Seriously, we’re still talking about beards? This is asinine, and I worked for Bill Belichik, so I know from controlling. Let’s get to work.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Feb 22, 2012 8:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would have ended with BOB in an Iverson-esque rant.
“Beards! Beards! We talkin’ bout beards. We ain’t even talking about football. We’re talking about beards!”
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by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 22, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Bill Belichik is the epitome of dressing well
Seriously though, he looks like a fucking hobo in that stupid as sweatshirt. You’re fucking professional man, dress like it. I’d be surpised if 1) that sweatshirt was ever washed and 2) he didn’t smell like the back seat of a new york taxi cab that two homeless people had just broken into and had sex in while being driven by the typical BO ridden NY cab driver.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's actually a personal F**k you to the league by Bill.
If you see Bellicheck outside of football, he is actually quite well dressed.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 23, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
As only a casual NFL fan, I had no idea about this
But that sorta cements the point then, doesn’t it?
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know. I kind of agree with his stance in this particular instance.
If the league is going to mandate he wear Reebok brand logo gear when he prefers something else, I don’t have a problem with him saying “Fine, then I’ll make it look hideous.”
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by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 23, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yea. It's ridiculous
The fact that Mike Nolan wasn’t allowed to wear a suit and tie on the sidelines because it wasn’t licensed is pathetic.
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
All NFL coaches should wear not only a jacket and tie but...
also a long overcoat and a fedora. That’s how it ought to be.

by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't disagree, and now that I know I'm partially supportive
I actually have a problem with the NFL mandating what coaches wear. Personally, I think they should be wearing shirts and ties on the sidelines.
The point though is that I had no idea why he chose to wear that ugly sweatshirt, I just assumed he was some slobbish asshole. I can’t imagine that I’m in the minority on this, either.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I should clarify
I support his goal, but his methodology could use some work. Obviously it hasn’t had the desired effect, so maybe its time to go back to the drawing board?
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I kind of respect that he didn't make a big deal of it, just the subtle "EFF U"
Joe was kind of good at that too.
UNCIVIL!
Yeah, when I heard that I came way down from my previous hatred of him
My understanding was that he thought coaches should wear suits and ties, or at least be allowed to, but the NFL said he had to wear reebok bullshit. So he said, okay, I’ll wear this ridiculous sweatshirt on TV every week. But that wouldn’t make enough of a statement, so I’ll go ahead and take my team AT LEAST to the playoffs every year, if not the Super Bowl, to prove that I’m the smartest and best coach in the league and still think your reebok contract is stupid.
It’s kind of like Jim McMahon.
Once I head this story I thought maybe we was a little awesome
But only a little.
Joe Gibbs used to wear a tie. It was weird when he started sporting the official gear.
UNCIVIL!
I saw him at the Alabama coaches clinic last year
I wouldn’t say he was well dressed unless you think Charlie Sheen’s character from 2 and a half men was well dressed.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Feb 23, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I respect Bilichek more now
Both for the classy tux and the hot wife
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by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
This is speculation
But I have a feeling that the strict appearance guidelines stuck around because Joe wanted PSU to be different. This could make the guys recognize that PSU is not like other schools. You are held to a different standard here. It might seem silly at first, but being different has its allure, even if it means adhering to strict rules. I think it enforces the team concept.
by moosepsu on Feb 22, 2012 8:13 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I don't care.
As was said above, many of our players are tatted up anyhow. Just because they keep their hair/facial hair short doesn’t necessarily make them look more or less clean cut. I think their should be a standard of having hair and beards well-kept (i.e. no Brett Kiesel situations) but otherwise they should be free to wear their how they see fit. Goodness knows they have enough to do as D1 athletes already. So long as our players continue to represent themselves well publicly it’s no matter to me.
I would love for BOB to keep them in suits for gamedays though. Reinforces the idea of the game being a business trip.
Here is something I thought about last night though
If you don’t have a strict no facial hair rule, then whats acceptable or not quickly becomes a very subjective decision. That may lead to a kid feeling singled out because of apparent favoritism (whether it actually exists or not). Banning it altogether is all around easier on the coach, given that the coach cares about a clean cut image.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
I welcome a real offensive playbook coupled with a less predictable defense
BOB seems to be keeping to the mantra of success with honor too, and keeping the uni’s the way they are.
I don’t care about facial hair, I’m not a fan of having facial hair personally, but if a kid wants to look like hagrid, then so be it

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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 22, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions
So this is what happens when turnstile is allowed to grow a beard...
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by IcersGuy on Feb 23, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NOT allowing facial hair/dreads/hats doesn't beget a team full of criminals.
Penn State has proven that crimes can still occur by players not in dreadlocks, and many other programs have shown that players allowed to have dreads can flourish in the classroom.
I hate the offseason.
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Right, but it matters about perception
If someone who isn’t a CFB fan sees mugshots of kids wearing doo-rags and dreadlocks the perception will immediately be that the football program only cares about winning and will do whatever it takes to get that done- even if the offense is as simple as peeing behind a dumpster. Like it or not, perception is hugely important in American society and comes with all of the baggage associated with stereotypes that are perpetuated.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
I completely agree about perception.
But I can’t name a single other school that requires of its players what was required by Joe (at least as it pertains to hair, hats, etc.). Given that, I also can’t name more than a small few schools that I equate with some sort of criminality when I see them (e.g., 1986 Miami). Northwestern doesn’t have these requirements, that I know of. When I see a picture of Dan Persa in a hat, I don’t think to myself “Hoodlum.”
Now if we’re talking mugshots, well that’s a different story, since if you’re in a mugshot, you’ve been arrested. No matter how you look, you likely aren’t coming across well (unless you’re Nick Nolte).
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by Jeff Junstrom on Feb 23, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I agree about Persa and jNW
I really don’t see hats as a problem. Removing them when meeting a lady and indoors are products of a bye-gone era. Although as I said above regarding the facial hair, it may just be easier on the coach. ‘No headwear, period,’ is much easier to enforce than ‘only that hats that are acceptable to me’ because it removes the inherent subjectivity and garaunteed complaints from 18-23 year olds.
The other thing no-hats does, is force you to get out of bed a bit earlier and shower and fix your hair (we’re almost all vain jagoffs in college- and for good reason, girls go to classes too). I can’t tell you how many times I went to 8 am classes freshman year looking like some sort of slobbish jackass wearing my hat and sweatshirt because I couldn’t be bothered to get out of bed 20 minutes earlier. I wasn’t the face of the university, so no one really gave a shit. Though, looking back on it, it bothers me that my laziness caused my complacency
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Looking back on it...
I wish it was still acceptable for me to throw on a hat and sweatshirt (as long as I had showered the night before). I don’t like society’s rules, I just abide by them.
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 23, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Having clean cut kids led by an old school coach legendary for rules and discipline
didn’t stop American society from taking a big shit all over the team, coaches and school this year.
To be honest, I couldn’t care less what “American society” thinks about Penn State or its student athletes. I like the clean cut image and as an alum and ticket holder I guess my opinion should count as much as any other interested party. But as for impressing the masses? Don’t give a shit. Not a one.
by PSUCharmas on Feb 23, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
^ This
many, many times over. Let’s set rules for ourselves, not because we think Joe Sixpack (who, incidentally, is sitting on his couch wearing a size “small” mesh jersey stretched over his XXXL gut) cares or not.
Could.not.care.less.about.non-Penn Staters.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 23, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but
and I’m not accusing you of this, but a lot of that crap about “image,” especially when it comes to things like dreadlocks or cornrows, is just thinly veiled racism.
I recall that Rashard Casey was told by his lawyer to get rid of his corn rows before going to court, so he did. Corn rows are a very old tradition among African Americans and besides, it’s his damn hair, who cares? But the lawyer rightly perceived that others would see him as a “thug” if he kept them. As we know, that whole case was BS and a lot of the things written about him (and never apologized for) were obviously racist.
I don’t think we need to placate those kinds of people.
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
As I hail from a multi-racial family
racism is not the impetus of my opinion. I just don’t like the way the dreads look hanging out of the back of the helmet. As I stated below, it has become so ubiquitous as to be cliché. It will alter the uniformity of the uniforms.
I agree with the hanging out of the helmet.
It’s not safe.
It may be cliche but for some guys, like Samoans and certain native groups, it’s important to their culture. Who are we to judge?
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like either
But I’d be more likely to tolerate Trent Richardson’s hair, which was tied, neat, and not too long compared to AJ Hawk’s or Clay Matthews’ hair. It just looks godawful
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Thats valid
But thats because racism exists. Its not right, but thats the way it is. Just because its a figurative load of crap doesn’t mean that it is something that we shouldn’t bother concerning ourselves with. Why give those that are racist (outright or thinly veiled) more ammunition?
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
But why cater to their tastes?
I’d rather see a guy like Lavar with his massive dreads show that he is educated and articulate and break stereotypes than give the bigots what they want.
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
He looks fine in his dreads
They are well kept and usually tied back. He has found a way to make them look well groomed.
Yeah, I agree, the last sentence of my last post was needless. It isn’t about them. But my overall viewpoint stands that image is something that we should concern ourselves with, mostly for the sake of the kids when they leave college and join the real world.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
my grandson thinks dreads can look okay.

"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
so cute!
They work on him. Dreads are like any other hairdo. No matter how long, it can be well groomed and look nice.
UNCIVIL!
my daughter cut them off before he started school
he was 4 in that picture. She didn’t want him to get “labeled” young just because of his looks, something it seems people here are doing. Now he keeps his hair very close cropped.
"It doesn't matter what people think of me," Joe said. "I've lived my life. I just hope the truth comes out. And I hope the victims find peace."
if the academic
reputation stays up then i don’t mind the shaggier look, kids are in college and for a lot of kids my age that is a big deal and shows you have freedom as a adult. I hope the suit for games stays in place, i had that for soccer at my school. if we start getting recruits that follow the SEC path of holding guns to peoples heads (rolando mcclain) then i think we may need to go back to joes way completely though
Hell
The Blue Band now has a stricter hair/facial hair policy than the football team does. Hair must all fit inside the hat, and absolutely no facial hair other than a mustache that is well groomed and does not protrude beyond the corners of the mouth.
Does that mustache rule apply to the women, too?
I kid, I kid…
"I guess we had a couple of Catholics praying for US!" - JVP, after the down to the wire win over Notre Dame in 1987
by icavalera on Feb 23, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol technically, yeah
The ladies bought fake mustaches for the bowl game a couple years ago, and had to trim them down to wear during the last uniformed practice.
They bought them
or just didn’t shave for a couple of days?
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
Judging by how many of them ended up on the ground/in the trash after 30 min
I’d sure hope they were fake
mean
I will have you know that I was a band geek in high school and have no hint of a stache.
UNCIVIL!
Sweet. I got a winner I'm marrying
If it makes you feel any better, I was a football/baseball/basketball player in high school and had no hint of a mustache. Although in college I could grow a mean neckbeard. Really made the ladies swoon.
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
If this didn't make you feel bad enough,
I met my GF (soon to be fiance) in the band. She’d kick your ass for that, lol.
Ah, memories
The one year I had long hair, had to get it pinned up by some wimmins with bobby-pins (either fellow trumpets or friendly clarinet folks). This was a VERY MASCULINE ACTIVITY, I ASSURE YOU IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS.
Coming from high school in Florida, the mustache was a good way to avoid OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORST CHAPPING EVER after shaving and being out in the cold.
My brother in law works in construction
He grows a full beard every winter to keep warm
Also, bobby pins can hurt, can’t they?
UNCIVIL!
So can those metal banded scrunchie things
I used to try to snap them when I’d see one of my friends wearing one on her wrist. They’d yell and tell me that it hurt. So one day I put one on and left her do it to me, upon seeing the welt it left and realized that really does hurt. I no longer did that. Not to mention the hair that they would yank out.
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
Can it be on you?
I hear that waxing routine hurts — not into self-inflicted pain.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 23, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I assure you it does hurt... no I don't want to talk about it... yes there were tears involved.
Gave me mad respect for women who wax and made me certain I could never fault a girl for forgoing that nonsense.
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 23, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Just lie back on the couch, BNitts,
and spill your guts about those repressed memories.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 23, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no... they're not repressed.
That’s the problem!
My girlfriend was like Tom Berenger in Platoon. “Take the pain!”
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 23, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ya gotta be harder
than woodpecker lips.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 23, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As tempting as that sounds
40 Year Old Virgin makes me think I’m good. Although I did let my friends hit me with a wiffleball bat in college because I insisted it wouldn’t hurt. It would just sting a little.
"The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait for it to stop rolling and then pick it up" Bob Uecker
My very first game
I had long, wavy hair. I was planning on just pushing it all under a black beanie, but they failed me for inspection. I had to get it all rubber banded and gelled down by some of the senior ladies. Rubber bands hurt.
Bands are little different
Because the uniforms have to create the image of lines and patterns. That’s lost if there’s something covering the collar or distracting from the uniform.
We had those same rules in high school band.
Especially with the big facemasks the guys wear now, nobody is really going to see the players beards and besides, the image of precise uniformity isn’t so important as it is in marching band.
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I understand this
which is why you’ve pretty effectively illustrated my point. Bands usually have much tighter policies for the exact reasons you state (as well as simply having a clean-cut look, which is a value that the Blue Band holds strongly). The fact that our football team had stricter policies than the band is entirely unique. It’s weird that the football team now having looser hair policies is newsworthy.
Doesn't allowing long hair
technically change the uniforms? It will certainly change the look of the uniforms. They are called uniforms for a reason. I dislike the look of dreadlocks hanging from the back of a helmet and they have become so ubiquitous as to be ridiculously cliché. I used to have long hair in the 70s and we thought it was cool when the players of that era had hair hanging out of their helmets. Yet, we were all Penn State fans.
We live in a time where men can have almost any hairstyle they want. Anything goes. I work with a guy with blonde dreads. They call him Dashboard Jesus. The clean cut look, suits on the road, and no hats indoors will allow these young men to stand out among the others. The tradition should continue as it is not only iconic but, in light of the current zeitgeist, iconoclastic.
by Pentimental on Feb 23, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
I sort of wonder if BOB is operating under the philosophy...
“I’m going to change some rules to relax a little and allow you guys some freedom. I’m making it the responsibility of each member of this team to understand that you still represent a major face of this University and your appearance, at all times, should reflect that. And I expect that the leaders on this team will not only embody it but help teach the new guys what it means to be a Penn State player. That means you can have facial hair, but it needs to be kept up. You can grow some longer hair, but you better take care of it and make it presentable. Don’t make me be a jerk about making up rules for this stuff or spend time on worrying about this. We have more important things to worry about. Like a B1G championship.”
Then, he can come across as the nice guy and when people mess up, he can be disappointed… rather than point to some broken rule.
I mean, I did a lot of stuff in college just to make sure my Mom wasn’t disappointed, but that didn’t stop me from breaking a lot of rules that authority figures had placed on me.
A different style of management, sure… but potentially pretty effective.
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 23, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I generally agree with physicist above.
Though I’m not TOO bothered by a shaggier look. It is, however, an erosion of what made Penn State unique. What concerns me is – what’s next? Based on this loosening of the rules, I fully expect Bob to be much less strict than Joe was on players celebrating plays and TDs. I’m sure he’ll be upset if a celebration causes a penalty, but I also don’t expect future players who were never coached by Joe to give Moye’s response to ‘give us your best TD celebration pose’ during a photo shoot – ‘I play for Penn State – we don’t celebrate.’ Based on BOB’s moves, I think that mentality is all but dead within 3-4 years. And that’s really disappointing.
Celebrations are fine...
as long as they involve you celebrating with your team and NOT denigrating the other team.
I think PSU has suffered slightly from being a bit too buttoned up. And, in fact, I think this perfect image we’ve tried to project is just one of the many things that made this JS story all about football, secrecy, and PSU “protecting their image.” I guarantee most people know about PSU’s uniforms and maybe the black shoes. They are iconic. I doubt anyone will even notice most of the rest of it…
by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 23, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm ok with some celebrations
As long as it’s respectful of the other team and the fans.
There’s also something to be said for showing actual genuine joy. Why do old people want these young people to be so serious?
One of my favorite recent PSU sports pictures, among many, is the shot of the women’s volleyball team winning their fourth straight title. Katie Slay, who is 6’6", jumped about five feet into the air and the look on her face is priceless. The B1G Ten Football refs would have given her a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty (and the FAA may have fined her for being to high in the air). Absurd.
Why would anyone want to squash that kind of youthful emotion? Isn’t that why we care about college sports in the first place?
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think there's a difference between a spontaneous show of joy
and something that’s clearly choreographed or intended to draw attention to one’s self. And I think that’s what the unsportsmanlike penalty is supposed to address.
Unfortunately, it’s not necessarily applied that way by the refs.
Right
Derek Moye tossing the ball to the ref to keep the game moving was not a choreographed attention grab.
Although, I did like that one where the junior hockey team decided to do an homage to the old EA NHL video games by just standing there and putting their arms in the air.
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I like the no celebrating after a TD thing
it’s a subtle slap in the face to the other team. Like scoring was no big deal.
We Are because You Were
Black Shoe Diaries
by Kyle_Martin on Feb 23, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think so
But why don’t we call it “Doziering”? ’Cause DJ was doing it way back in 1986/87 (see pic of him after he scored a touchdown in the 1987 championship game.)
Oh, that’s right—we didn’t have this new-fangled internet thing back then, to make it easier for media or “the average Joe” to make a big deal out something that people have been doing for a long time.
If I knew how to insert an image, I’d put one here. Unfortunately, I’m somewhat technically-challenged.
by psu87intn on Feb 23, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
Now how did you do that? I see the image link button, but it asks me for a URL and what if the image is on my computer?
You have to find a host for it and upload it.
Try tinypic or image shack?
http://imageshack.us/
http://tinypic.com/
Once you upload it, copy and paste the “direct link” and put that where it asks for a URL. You may have to register with image shack to get the direct link.
I still remember almost actually vomiting with joy at that moment.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Thanks again!
And now you’re just showing off and rubbing it in. ;-)
My senior year. ’86-87, that is. Was that poster from that year? Looks vaguely familiar.
1986 National Championship Poster
I graduated in a NC year, as well. 1983. Looks like I just missed you. I found these looking for Dozier. I thought they were cool.
Uh-oh
That was a dangerous site for me to find. I haven’t really kept any memorabilia (other than the Coke bottle referenced below) from that period, but Joe’s passing has made me especially nostalgic.
My bank account does not thank you. ;-)
Sorry.
I got several items for my 50th, including a Capaletti-signed helmet. That poster is for charity and from your senior year. Perhaps you can explain to your bank account that you deserve it.
Yes, that one wasn't a lot.
I think I could justify it. :-)
I have all of those autographs too...
Just not on a poster. I met most of those guys when I was a kid. I have everybody who scored in the game, and Pete Giftopolus. A bunch others too. My parents have the whole team on a ball.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
That one I remember!
I moved about 6 months ago and was digging through some boxes I hadn’t opened in a while. Found an (unopened) 10 oz. commemorative Coke bottle from the 1986 national championship game, with “Joe Paterno, 1986 Sports Illustrated Man-of-the-Year” screened on the back.
It now resides with my autographed Joe pic and a Hatch Show Print that the Nashville alumni chapter had made in my office at work.
Awesome bottle
The one on this site is from 1982. They want $9.
http://www.sodamuseum.com/Coke/10bottles.html
Here is yours.
Wow, this guy wants $50 for the bottle you have.
Dude clearly doesn't know market value
if others are going for $9.99.
I didn’t think it was worth a lot—just thought it was cool that I found it, especially since I had forgotten I had it.
It only takes one idiot to make a market.
What’s the worst that happens? He relists it in a few days?
I’m sure that’s what the seller is banking on.
Sort of like Nittany Ale bottles going for ridiculous prices. Got a case of them from the brewery a while back. Made tap handles for the PSU guys that I know who own kegerators. Glad I got them when I did.

by BNittsDeMilo on Feb 23, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of a funny story related to celebrations
One of my brother’s best friends played for Joe in the mid-90’s. He was a starter on the d-line and when they were playing Minnesota, he got a sack. As he was going to help the quarterback up, the guy started cussing him out, so Todd ended up making a gesture that the ref interpreted as “celebration” and he got a penalty.
As he was headed to the sideline, Joe met him at the hash-mark and started yelling “That’s bush league, Atkins! We don’t do that here!” and went on and on, was pushing him all the way back to the sideline. Evidently it was such a spectacle, ESPN ran a clip of it several times.
At practice the next week, Joe came up to him and said “Hey Atkins, I owe you an apology.” Todd said “What for, coach?” And Joe said, “When we got home from the game, Sue yelled at me for going off on you. And she’s right. I’m sorry.” And Todd said “That’s okay, coach.”
Of course, Todd tells it with Joe’s high-pitched voice at the appropriate times.
Dang—I got teary just typing that story up. Thought I was past that.
It IS so dusty in here!
That’s my excuse, and I am sticking with it.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 23, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Brilliant!
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 23, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'll smash my tv
if I see a player celebrating in the endzone or after a routine play, let alone a big one.
Act like you’ve been there before and plan to be again.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think PSU is really unique in that respect
There was kind of a “high era” of excessive celebration in the 80s, but more and more, I heard people of all persuasions and team affiliations preaching the “act like you’ve been there before.” Also, most of our position coaches are pretty old. I can’t imagine them cottoning to that sort of thing.
I think BOB and the seniors will crack down on that stuff simply because it’s obnoxious and because the B1G refs will penalize a guy for anything, not just because it’s “not the Penn State way.” And if he doesn’t, than it suggests a lack of discipline that will probably manifest itself in a lot of ways that lead to losing and he’ll be gone anyway.
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't view it as 'the' Penn State way
But rather one of the ways Penn State did things. I was brought up with this same philosphy and no one in my family had heard of Penn State, much less Joe Paterno until I enrolled in school at PSU. Its the way my dad was, and the way all of my other little league coaches were.
High fiving your teammates is fine. Celebrating on an individual level is always uncalled for.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 23, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I’m just saying is that while most kids wouldn’t be used to rules on their hair or having to wear a tie, I don’t think it will be nearly as tough of a sell to teach most kids how not to act like a preening jackass after they score. I feel like that message is already prominent in the sports culture these days.
by reedjohnmiller on Feb 23, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Have you seen an nfl game lately?
Unwatchable because of the celebrating IMO.
Antonio Brown for the Steelers is the worst.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I will seriosuly throw up
if PSU players start acting like the rest of the world by celebrating ridiculously.
/Occupy end zone
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 24, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Not too concerned
BOB understands the important things – academics, discipline, the uniforms and what they represent.
He actually pushed the morning work-outs earlier. I don’t think there was any football or academic reason for pushing it from 6 to 5:30 (or was it 5:30 to 5?). I think that was just about pushing discipline.
I think BOB sees a lot of these rules as actually distracting from the important stuff. I can see it both ways. Sometimes asking kids to keep track of something that’s basically meaningless is a good way to build good habits. But I think these guys already have so many details to keep track of that maybe it’s ok to get rid of the ones that don’t really matter very much.
The ugly sweatshirt aside, the Pats ran a pretty tight ship. Brady always looks very sharp in his post game interviews. I’ve also read that Belichek wears that ugly shirt to protest not being able to wear a jacket and tie. And he can clean up when he wants to.
And in every one of BOB’s public appearances, he’s dressed appropriately for the occasion.
Also, in modern sports, there’s been a shift away from “coat and tie” as the symbol of unity and seriousness to wearing team gear all the time now that the teams have uniform sponsors eager to shower them with free stuff. It’s not as formal, but it’s more practical and it’s more uniform. Note that every guy in those work out videos is wearing the exact same Nike shorts, shirt and socks. That looks good, I think. You didn’t see half the guys wearing their high school sweatshirt or a Steelers shirt or whatever. They looked like a team that is proud to represent PSU.
That’s important. The Pirates, for example, made a big effort with that a few years back in their minor league system. The Spikes, for example, were wearing whatever they felt like during practice, etc, and looked like a beer league team. Now, everything they wear is either Spikes or Pirates and every guy has to wear their pants in the superior old-school high sock look and not the Manny Ramirez pajama look. It hasn’t produced a lot of wins, but I think that sort of attention to detail helps the team play as a team better and gives a better impression to the fans. And the Pirates need all the help they can get.
But the hair and the hats are largely arbitrary. What people of Joe’s generation saw as inappropriate and disrespectful, younger people don’t see that way. It goes both ways anyway. My mom, who is more in line with the old school, actually thinks I cut my hair too short! You can’t win.
It’s not that our generation doesn’t care about presentation. It’s just how standards and conventions change. 100 years ago or so, pink was considered the better color for boys (more powerful and flash, supposedly) whereas blue was for girls. Stuff like this evolves.
(I would like to see PSU ban guys from having hair hanging out of their helmets. I think it’s more dangerous and it kind of looks crap too, but the danger is more important. Actually, I’d like to see the NFL and NCAA ban that too. Getting pulled down by one’s hair would be dangerous, but then if that were banned, guys would just grow it super long to prevent anyone from grabbing the back of their jersey. Just tie it up or cut it off during the season.)
As for the media availability, I think Joe just saw the press as a distraction, and he wasn’t entirely wrong, and I think he had some real animosity for the press, which wasn’t entirely undeserved. In the old days, a coach could get to know a reporter and know that he wasn’t going to write bad stuff or betray confidences. That’s not how it is now, for better and worse, and Joe just didn’t like that shift.
But I think BOB has a better feel for how the media works in this day and age and sees opportunities to use it to his advantage and doesn’t just look upon them as a distraction. His time in the NFL, especially in Boston, probably helped with that.
It’s especially important right now because of the “secrecy” narrative that took hold in the media, which is partially fair and partially unfair. But beyond that – and I think that whole issue will go away in a year or two – it can help in recruiting and can help get skeptical boosters on his side.
Those are the immediate benefits, but “marketing the program” should also be an important long-term goal for PSU (and every football program.) You’d think PSU wouldn’t need to market football, but I don’t think they can ever get complacent about it. Not just because STEP and the economy has made tickets a tougher sell, but because people today, especially kids, have more and more sports and other entertainment options battling for their attention. It’s not a given that every kid in PA is going to always care about football as much as they have before, let alone automatically care about PSU football. If programs like Penn State were to go the route of major league baseball and just think that people will continue to show up forever because they always have in the past, we could see the same kind of gradual decline in interest. Maybe not next year or the year after but five, ten, and 20 years down the road, absolutely. Remember when horse racing and boxing were popular sports? It could happen.
Meet the new Oline

Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 24, 2012 7:32 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Alright, somebody explain that.
I’ve seen it here a bunch, and haven’t figured it out yet.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 24, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Can't remember the original designer, for proper credit
But I believe it first appeared circa Sep, 2009, after the Iowa game when Deontae Pannell, among others, was terrorized by Broderick Binns & Adrian Clayborn, among others. Obviously—and hilariously—the implication is that our Oline was so malleable that they practically constituted these five items of ‘deterrence.’
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"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Thanks for the explanation,
even tho it evokes a sad time.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Feb 25, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
This is very fine work
And, I believe, from a poster not traditionally in the image markup game, amiright?
Way to get your Paint on, son!
jtothetweet
"I’m not a from the hip guy," Brands said. "From the hip, gets you in trouble. We continually evolve, and you have to have that mindset.
Thanks
And yes this is the first photoshop I’ve ever attempted and put out there. Of course, its a photoshop of a photoshop, so I don’t know how much it counts. And I wasn’t a BSDer in 2009, so I don’t know who the original credit goes to.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 24, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'll maintain that
They look better in the original. Much more polished and professional.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Feb 24, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's sexist,
but I have never liked long hair on a turnstile.
"Believe deep down in your heart that you're destined to do great things." Joseph Vincent Paterno 1926-2012
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