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sally jenkins: Well, the handling of Paterno has been the point of the story that is most emotional across the board, perhaps understandably. And that’s where journalistically it’s our job to take some boil out of the water and follow some journalistic principles. Don’t follow emotion. Follow records. Follow documentation.
Because that was doe so well during the course of the coverage
As an 8 year old boy meeting JoePa:
Me: Coach, I really am a big fan of Penn State
Joe: Glad to hear that
Me: I am also a big Notre Dame fan as well
Joe: Son, you can only be a fan of one or the other, not both. Make sure that you pick a winner.
by PSUfanDuff on Feb 7, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Once you go broad you won't crave the rod.
Larry Appleton
Is the Perfect reason not
To talk to Strangers
by WorldBFat on Feb 7, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno..
I’m disappointed at the absolute non-mention that PSU is a bunch of Joe-worshipping cultists, because we are unwilling to even address the points of view that the rest of the world feels are pretty obviously true. APOLOGISTS!
It was a good read, but despite their clear acknowledgements that Joe isn’t the story anymore, it sure still feels like he is. Of course its easy to say it now, seeing as how big media outlets have just moved on period, and the deadspin’s and SBB’s of the world just do what they do. Hopefully ALL of the media can learn from the missteps and mistakes of their own actions, and improve moving forward.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.
I have no reason to believe this will occur.
Hopefully ALL of the media can learn from the missteps and mistakes of their own actions, and improve moving forward.
A more likely result is just the opposite.
Humanum est pati.
Abso-lutely
But it seemed childish to just hope they all burn up in a fire. So it was all I optimistically had to hang my hat on. Stupid hat.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.
Did anyone learn from the Duke lacrosse case?
Didn’t think so.
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by nps on Feb 7, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
UMMM???? Okay
So does this mean, since most of them agreed to start looking for facts and documentation, that there will a better effort put forth doing just that, or are they going to continue with the op-ed and fabrications as fact stories.
by BRJ75 on Feb 7, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Exactly this.
I read the entire thing and there are two pretty big issues they failed to address in terms of responsibility.
The first issue is regarding the media’s role in speculation. A lot of the speculation levied against Penn State and Paterno was thrown by the media in the immediate aftermath of the GJ presentment. While they talked about the responsibility they have of getting information, they never touched on how the media and journalists should handle speculation. To a larger degree, I think you need to question whether most of the talking heads on ESPN and elsewhere should be considered journalists in the first place since all they do is give their opinions.
The second issue they failed to address is how much credibility to give the grand jury presentment. While it is an actual document that you can cite, knowing its purpose, how much credibility should a journalist give something like that? I’ll admit that prior to this incident, I wasn’t aware of the nuances of a grand jury presentment, but it also wasn’t my job to understand my sources.
To me, the two biggest media failures in this situation were treating the grand jury presentment as absolute fact and promoting speculation based off of that presentment. I don’t think it really matters what your opinion on the actual events was to acknowledge that those two things happened. Whether you think they were correct or not is irrelevant as those are two things that true journalism should not allow to happen, and really only happened due to the infotainment that has become our media.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 7, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not to mention that the BOT used the presentment as their facts as well
Also, at least by Sally Jenkins comments, the vagueness in Joe’s answers could be due in part to the fact that Sally went broad on the interview. What I mean is it sounds like she didnt go into a lot of detail with her questions and didnt get to involved with the answers.
one of the things that pisses me off about all this.
The investigation could come to the conclusions that JoePa ran a pedophile sex ring, but that doesn’t mean people were right when they speculated such things. Baseless speculation is just that: baseless. As you said, it has no business in news or journalism. God damned infotainment.
by The JuggerNitt on Feb 7, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
The means are more valuable than the ends.
It seems cliche, but it’s absolutely true. No one even attempts to show that the ends justified the means because they never do in terms of a moral or ethical sense. The only ends that the means justify are the bottom lines of the companies that fan the speculation.
To take a clear cut example, look at the Duke lacrosse scandal. The sensationalizing of the allegations was worth millions of dollars to the networks that ran with it. Even CNN got in on it, vilifying the players and staunchly supporting the victims. Victims’ rights groups gained attention and support throughout the coverage as their experts got exposure and their organizations got mentioned. The least valuable asset in the entire situation was the truth, especially when it was determined that the truth contradicted the speculation that was selling so well. It’s why even after the truth got out and the outrage was dying, people like Nancy Grace still condemned the players and supported the accusers. It was worth more in dollars and cents to continue stoking the embers of the outrage than it was to actually promote the truth.
It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.
by Succss With Honor Always on Feb 8, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Is it just me?
…or is the format of the exchanges practically unreadable?
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Its pretty close to what it sounds like when everyone talks at once
Which is basically what the format was. Maybe if only one person asked and directed questions at a time, but they all asked and answered questions among themselves as it went. It was worth reading, but it sure wasn’t easy to read.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.
I was thinking that very same thing
Just way to many people trying to get their thoughts out and it ended up a jumbled mess.
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Gold star for M1EK.
His aggregate feedback score is now -1,873,582.
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And I grant you no points
And may God have mercy on our souls.
by M1EK on Feb 7, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Question
That kid Davis, did anybody else think it seemed like he wanted to get into the BOT’s role in all of this, but he held back?
I think he may have been overwhelmed to be sitting at the grown-ups' table...
and overlooked which one was the salad fork.
…or maybe it’s even harder to take part in than it is to read.
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And what the hell was up with Buffyandrews?
She didn’t have anything to do for the afternoon, so she decided to sit in?
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@leeharvey..Thats a great question. She didnt have anything to do for the afternoon, so she decided to sit in? So true
by BRJ75 on Feb 7, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You could have done more.
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by Tailgate Shogun on Feb 7, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
with the benefit of hindsight I should have
sorry
Bent But Not Broken
by letsgopsu on Feb 7, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was " *waves "
Thus my " *recs " to BRJ.
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by leeharvey418 on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
That was a good read.
But PTSD for journalists? Really? This didn’t occur in a war zone, but maybe I’m not as empathetic as I should be.
Also, the people involved in that chat all seem to qualify as “reporters”, i.e. they contact sources and do at least some investigative work. Many people commenting on the situation did little or no legwork themselves.
Being a sports reporter is undoubtedly hard
Didn’t you ever see “All the President’s Men?” Wait, wuzzat? We don’t operate on standards and principles anymore? Well, I’m sure its just as hard having to run the pen AND the noose. Besides, those poor WJAC guys may never recover. That riot was like Grenada bad.. The gas from that van coulda set the whole town ablaze!
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.
Not to mention
Stuart Scott is STILL positive he was definitely hit by a rock. Well, a small rock. Hit him in the leg. The pain’ll never go away. LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO HIS EYE!
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.
Wait, what was Stuart Scott's head doing in Tom Rinaldi's pant leg?
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Theres a question I
KNOW I dont want to hear the answer to.
Why is Tim Curley still employed by the University?
An interesting start
but like the rest of this ordeal it just seems like there are more and better questions than have largely been asked.
Well, really
The whole thing was a exercise in self flagellation. Nothing difficult. Nobody involved in the discussion did anything wrong. Just a lot of OM NOM NOM’ming each other.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.
I think the only self analysis I remember hearing about
Was ESPN’s ombudsman said they actually weren’t outraged enough, fast enough. MOAR WHOLESALE HATING!
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
I don't know, but they did it. They've done it before and they did it tonight and they'll do it again and when they do it-seems that only children weep.
Misread ASNE for Asinine.
Same difference.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Isn't that their motto?
You can’t spell asinine without ASNE?
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by leeharvey418 on Feb 7, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
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