man this is absolutely ridiciulous! IT'S JUST A GAME!! I mean yes we all do care if PSU loses or wins and I can't stand OSU. but treating a individual like this, especially over a jersey is really unbelievable. Man I'm ashamed for my age group, being 21 everyone must think we all act like that but thats far form the truth. Man I am looking into going to PSU because I absolutely love the place, I've only had the pleasure of being there a couple of times but it's absolutely gorgeous. After seeing this I'm just shocked, because I didn't encounter this type of behavior at all.

sorry I stole the subject heading but that's all that can be said.  I currently live in Ohio and was not treated even close to that when my wife and I went out to the bar for the game.  I used to think all the things said by tOSU was joke but I guess just didn't want to believe it...PSU "fan" have become A-holes (i'm sure there are people who've been saying that all along)

That the problems with behavior at Penn State does not stop with the football team.

Look, there is a generation that is now attending college that is emotional immature, anti-social, and filled with anger.  The video here is just another example of ut.

And this is not a Penn State only thing.  This is occurring across the nation.

But nothing will be done about it, for to do so, would not be politically correct.

I went to Penn State 20 years ago and in 4 years (okay 4 and 1/2) never remember anything like this.  My kids are getting to college age and I am having second thoughts about PSU (my parents and grandparents also went to PSU-joepa was coach when my mom went-lol) and this video is not making me feel any better about the idea.  I think the whole tone of fans has gotten much more extreme over the last years.  Or maybe I am just too old.

...that you called the players who were spit on "fucking liars" or that you think "only 1%" of PSU students are responsible for not only the spitting incident, but also the piss bombs, that video above, and also throwing beer at the Gameday crew...wow, that small group of kids must be pretty busy.

Time to wake up and realize this behavior is prevalent throughout your university, from the students to the football team, to the actual coach.

I guarantee if there wasn't video we'd be told how this "didn't happen" either, just like the apartment fight didn't happen and the urine bombs didn't happen and the spitting on OSU's kids didn't happen...  

Well, congratulations on getting two disgusting acts caught on camera this week.

but as I was getting concessions before the game, two Ohio State jersey-clad females came up to use the same table of condiments.  I said "Good luck tonight", and they responded "Yeah, you too".  Then, for reasons that we are getting at on this thread, I also said "Good luck too dealing with our fans."  They kinda laughed it off and went away, but I have a feeling that they were harassed at least one point in their trip here.

While I vouch that most Ohio State fans are good people just coming to see a football game, I know there are some idiots in their fanbase as well - while standing in front of Gate A waiting for the gates to open, an Ohio State fan came prancing into the middle of the lines bringing attention to himself, and then running over to the freshman/sophomore line and getting extremely close to a Penn State-clad female.  He received several bottles, some filled, some not, lobbed in his direction - all of which missed and splashed on bystanders (including one on my legs).

However, the behavior in the video is simply ridiculous, yet completely unsurprising to a fellow Penn State student, as sad as that sounds.  We can all propose solutions, but I can't really think of one plausible thing that would change the behaviors of such a group of people.  After all, it may only be 1% of the people with the negative thoughts in the first place, but they can quickly get 25%, 50%, 75%, or even 100% to follow along through the magic that is peer pressure.

they have a thread about this whole thing too, the video was sent to Spanier by so many people that he had to release an offcial statement, I would not be surprised if the Collegian picks this up and then sides are to be picked because for every fan like you and me who find this appalling there was 50 kids at that party who that is was "killer man". This should be fascinating to watch over the next couple of weeks.

There's an article that addresses this whole thing (http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2007/10/31/fan_violence_flares.aspx).

I'm glad it's getting attention, but even Tom Poole - Spanier's assistant is quoted as saying:
"I don't know what can be done about it," Poole said. "People act like fools."

Way to go, PKA fools.

I can't imagine that anyone that went to PSU in the last decade would be shocked by such behavior.  Alcohol+Idiots=Trouble.  Since there's always enormous amounts of alcohol and there's always an idiot, there's bound to be incidents like this all the time.  

Just think about all the people who throw random beers in the student section.  Think about the riots downtown after wins.  This is not an isolated incident.  

this whole reaction is bordering on hysteria... Enough with the gross generalizations!

I'll start with you Mike -- you can shove it with the Pittsburgh comments.  

This kind of stuff has been going on wherever there has been beer and sports, sorry to say.  Philly has a entire court system including a jail cell setup in their stadium for crying out loud.  They pegged Santa with snowballs and brag about it to this day.

The kind of act in the video is of course deplorable, but if you guys think it's a recent thing, or a PSU thing, you're all mistaken.  Whenever you have alcohol, young people, and large groups, this stuff happens.  It's a fact.  

Off the top of my head I can reel off stories of this kind of thing from Michigan, Pitt, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, and Ohio State alone.   Not to mention all the NFL fans.

My cousin went to Penn State in the mid 80's and the picture she painted of college life back then was much looser and more party-filled than when my brother and I attended in the late 90's.  There's been a huge attempt at curbing drinking at PSU going on 2 decades now.  And when I went up to State College for the Wisconsin game I was shocked to see mounted police on every block.  THAT is a completely new thing.  

Yet one video comes out and the end of civilization is near.  

In this thread alone we've blamed: parenting, lack of military experience, technology, an entire class of students, an entire generation of people, and geography for what was viewed in one video clip.  

The same thing happened after the riot 10 years ago at ArtsFest over the summer.  I witnessed a line at Acme Pizza kicking a Coors Partyball onto the balconies of Penn Tower apartments turn into a full blown riot.  The only two things that caused it were alcohol and a group of people standing in a pizza line.  But afterwards, every paper from Pittsburgh to Philly theorized about "what it meant" and "what were the kids trying to express."  

Alcohol + Groups of young people + 0 accountability = Problems

Always has, probably always will.

But existing in the time we do, we can vent about it and chastise those who committed it on the World Wide Web.   Of course, like someone already posted, it's a double-edged sword... and we have unbridled paranoia about where our society is headed.  

Along with viewing a singular event that would have otherwise gone unnoticed, we can also find out the identities of those who posted it and recorded it, which the Collegian already has.  Knuckleheads who do stuff like this, also tend to implicate themselves..  Spanier said he's received so much mail that he felt compelled to release a statement.  And some of you people have already posted on tOSU blogs.  Amends are being made.

Sorry for the long post.

for the retraction Mike.  

Allegheny County is home to the most PSU alums in the state.

Also, I'm not advocating that we accept this behavior..just recognize it for what it is and not overreact.  Someone posted that they were having second thoughts about sending their kid to PSU... ridiculous.

Can anyone find the contact info for that fraternity?  That seems to be a good place to start.

For a post that finally is a little rational.  All the Puritan fuddy duddies on here acting like the world is going to end...come on.  This isn't the first time, and it's not unique to PSU, and it's not the result of "kids today".  I mean, people have been young and drunk and dumb since the beginning of time.  The WWII generation thought all the hippies were going to bring about the end of the world, and now all those former hippies that are parents today recoil in horror when their kids act crazy at a party.  This is no big deal!

I sent a comment to Dr. Spanier yesterday and received this response today. Let's home it truely is a priority.

As Associate to the President for Administration, I help Dr. Spanier address the important issues that are brought to his attention.

Thank you for sharing your concerns about the behavior of some of our fans. Media accounts following the game indicated that fans were spirited, but overall exhibited better behavior, so I was disappointed to see the youtube video.  State College Police are investigating the incident in an attempt to identify those involved.  The results of their investigation will be shared with the University's Office of Judicial Affairs.  It is extremely unfortunate and embarrassing that some fans engage in behavior that reflects badly on all Penn Staters, the majority of whom are respectful and well-mannered.

A group of students and administrators have been meeting to encourage better behavior from our fans. A number of initiatives are underway--posters have been placed around campus, ads have been placed in the student newspaper and on television promoting good sportsmanship. Prior to the Ohio State game, a message from the Athletic Director was sent to all students via the student newswire concerning appropriate fan behavior. Coach Paterno also addressed the issue when he visited the students camping outside the stadium.  Clearly more can be done and we will continue to work on this.

Coordinating these efforts into an effective campaign that garners results does not happen overnight, but we are committed to the effort and to its success.

I will be sure the President sees your note.  Thank you for taking the time to write.

Sincerely,

Tom Poole

Thomas G. Poole, Ph.D.

Associate to the President for Administration

Shouldn't be too hard to do it - arrest him for assault.

I also think it's time for undercover cops to starting donning the opposing team's jerseys and walking around the stadium and the parking lots.  

Expel a few students for this stuff and arrest a few non-students and this will end quickly.  Just like the balcony riots started ended a few years back.  

people should focus their attention at that fraternity.  You can all make some broad generalizations about Greek life and I won't call you on it.

I bet getting the national chapter, or whatever it's called, involved would help.  Afterall, they're making their own fraterntiy look stupid as well.

Not saying that what happened isn't terrible. However, I must really question the judgment of the OSU fans in the video. You don't just stumble upon frat row and the many fraternity houses while visiting PSU. They had to have made a consious decision to wander through.

What did they expect to happen?? The behavior of the frat boys was intolerable, but is anyone really that surprised that it happened? I would never wander ANYWHERE near the frat houses in Columbus on a weekend that we are playing them. Not wearing full PSU gear. These guys made a decision to walk straight through it. And I mean STRAIGHT though the madness.

Actually the only really bad part of the video was the 1 stupid kid who ran right up to the guy and gunned the beer at him. The regular beer tosses happen all the time, but that kid was acting in a malicious manner.

Just an opinion from a guy who thinks these 2 OSU fans are idiots.

Fire away folks!

is from when I went to Notre Dame last season wearing a Beat ND shirt...  There were a few shouts but nothing serious.  Mostly just friendly harrassment.

Funny thing was that more than a few people came up and said "you're lucky you're not in Michigan!"  My friend from Notre Dame backed it up with his story of being showered with garbage in the top row of the Big House when Notre Dame beat them a couple seasons ago.

 Their excuse will be that it goes on at other college games but the truth is it does not. They are classless group of people with a few nice ones sprinkled in to give an apology. The video shows students but the adult fans aren't much better. This video is the tip of the ice burg. It's only a matter of time before someone with some good video equipment puts on a visiting team shirt and walks the parking lots and records the comments and actions of what at times can be the most classless group of people in college sports. Wake up PSU fans. Wake up.

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