A Tale of Two Programs
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It seems like the programs of Michigan and Penn State are going in completely different directions today. We had a good laugh watching the Wolverines get shot down time and again over the last few weeks since Lloyd Carr announced his retirement. But this weekend after Michigan snagged Rich Rodriguez from West Virginia the laughing coming from Happy Valley got a lot quieter. Time will tell if the hiring of Rodriguez was a good move, but right now there is no denying he was one of the top three or four names in the country.
Earlier this year Carr had his contract restructured to allow him to be paid for administrative duties after this season. But the key was having all of his assistants' contracts restructured into two year deals. The result? His staff remained in tact for his final season knowing that if he retired and the next coach did not require their services they would have a year to find a new gig. There was no mass exodus of recruits. The program remained stable thus remaining attractive to good football coaches.
Now let's jump over Lake Erie to see what life is like on the other side of the channel. We have an 81 year old coach whose contract runs out after the 2008 season. No successor has been made public. No two year contract has been guaranteed to the assistants. The result? Brian Norwood is already gone. Tom Bradley is talking to West Virginia. Other assistant coaches like Larry Johnson and Ron Vanderlinden are rumored to be looking for other opportunities. Dick Anderson and Galen Hall are a bad cold away from calling it a career and retiring. It's no wonder Joe Paterno said his biggest challenge this off season will be keeping his staff together. The only staff member we can be certain isn't entertaining possible career moves is Jay Paterno. There is no guarantee the administration will hire from within the program when Paterno finally decides to step down. And there is no guarantee any of these guys will have jobs when the new coach takes over. The longer the administration goes without giving Joe a new contract the more it appears he will not be back in 2009.
It's time for the administration to end the guessing game. Either give Joe a contract extension or announce that 2008 will be his final season. If Tom Bradley has already been declared the next head coach, why is it being kept a secret? If the administration is going to interview candidates from outside of the program, why not make arrangements to make it financially rewarding for the staff to stay loyal for a few more years?
The current state of affairs is creating an atmosphere of confusion. The assistant coaches are uncertain about their future. Recruits are wary about committing to a coaching staff that may not be there in two years. The time to lay out a long term vision for the program is upon us. We must not delay.
Meanwhile on the other side of the lake it's a new dawn in Ann Arbor. Change is in the air. The Wolverines are full of hope and promise while we sit. And wait. Wondering what will become of our Dear Old State.
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The future
by NitneLiun on Dec 17, 2007 11:28 PM EST 0 recs
you are totally correct
by PSUinTN on
Dec 18, 2007 5:43 AM EST
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2009...
The good news is that coaches like Petrino and Saban will be available (for a cost), if only for a year or two.
by dmoney350z on Dec 18, 2007 10:08 AM EST 0 recs
Ugh
The good news is that currently Penn State is a very attractive job. As long as Curley and Paterno don't run it into the ground we should be ok and have several excellent candidates to choose from.
by BSD on
Dec 18, 2007 10:24 AM EST
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What a difference four days makes
Like I said previously, Bradley can't wait around forever for Paterno to make a decision, if there is no long term committment to Bradley after the Bowl Game, and the WVU job is offered, he has to take it.
It appears that the administration, unable or unwilling to do anything with Paterno, has decided to try and force him out by letting all of his top assistants leave for other jobs. If that's the case, they better have a pretty impressive succession plan lined up, or history will look very poorly on Tim Curley and Graham Spanier.
It would be sad to see Paterno pushed out like this too. Whatever happens is going to happen after the Alamo Bowl.
by jesse. on Dec 18, 2007 10:11 AM EST 0 recs
We missed a Golden Opertunity
Paterno wont leave until Bowden does, and with his figure head status firm established now, Bowden will be at F$U until he starts to embarrass himself. Which to translates to being behind Paterno in total wins and loosing more ground so it becomes clear that he wont be able to pass him.
If we closed the gap that could have happened as early as the end of 2009. Now with the rebuilding we need to do in 2009, I cant see this happening until 2011 or 12. Paterno will be 86 at that point... Seriously the man is great and deserves better than to be forced out but there is no way an 86 year old will be able to do himself justice in the age of flying cars and jedi mind tricks that 2012 is sure to bring.
by platnumkid on Dec 18, 2007 11:06 AM EST 0 recs
This could be imminent
I don't know what is going on, but it seems rather clear that something is. I read a report a few minutes ago that Greg Schiano contacted Joe Paterno, ostensibly to discuss whether or not he should take the Michigan job. At some point thereafter, he decided to stay at Rutgers for the time being. Since the time of the alleged contact, all of our assitant coaches have been looking for other jobs, and the University has said nothing.
The rest of the article is nonsensical blaterhing about Coach Paterno's "selfishness", and how Tom Bradley "deserves" to be Penn State's next coach, but that does not mean that the underlying fact he reported is incorrect.
At this point I think Paterno is 50/50 for next season, if 2009 is a rebuilding project, does it not make sense that we should have the new direction picked in advance of the project?
by jesse. on
Dec 18, 2007 11:25 AM EST
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You're right
I think it's partly me too. I would love to see him go out ahead of Bowden. With this latest scandal at F$U:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3159534
We could see Bowden leaving sooner than originally thought.
by platnumkid on
Dec 18, 2007 2:19 PM EST
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The largest problem here
by nittanynutz on Dec 18, 2007 11:22 AM EST 0 recs
I disagree
by Nick7 on
Dec 18, 2007 11:43 AM EST
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Graham Spanier has said, publicly
perhaps Michigan's experience has/will change some opinions - but I doubt it.
by PSUgirl on
Dec 18, 2007 12:05 PM EST
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In a manner of speaking...
Just like everywhere else.
by jesse. on
Dec 18, 2007 12:11 PM EST
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Biting the hand that feeds
by Run Up The Score on
Dec 18, 2007 6:11 PM EST
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I don't think so.
But as it is, Penn State uses the football team to fund all of its sports. That is 27 total teams, which I believe is the most in the Big Ten.
I would be surprised to see us pay a coach considerably more than JoePa, and I think we all agree that a big time coach would most likely demand that.
Take the basketball program as an example. It is the 2nd biggest NCAA sport. We have a relatively new arena, larger than most AHL teams' venues. One would think that such a major university would want a high profile coach to get the recruits and put butts in the seats. Instead, we go after the bargain basement types in hoping of striking gold.
by nittanynutz on
Dec 18, 2007 12:28 PM EST
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Right
Penn State will do what it takes to make sure the football teams stays competitive. If money were the issue, they would give Paterno an extension, and let him hire Jay Paterno (assuming that is what he wants). That would be cheap and easy, but currently, that does not look like the direction they are going.
by jesse. on
Dec 18, 2007 12:40 PM EST
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Let me drive them to the airport
You like the Alamo Bowl? You like watching recruits like Terell Pryor jump from our backyard to Ohio State or Michigan? Then Joe Paterno is your man, and go ahead and cross your fingers for Tom Bradley to take over. I for one am tired of the excuses.
Only at Penn State would anyone seriously discuss giving an 81-year-old man a contract extension after the record of futility we've had the last 10 years.
by happyvalleytom on Dec 18, 2007 12:02 PM EST 0 recs
I'd say that there are probably a few doubts about
by PSUgirl on
Dec 18, 2007 12:14 PM EST
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Shut Up
We havn't lost Pryor yet either. We're still on the list and there havnt even been bad rumblings about us.
You sound a lot like a life/death fan, when in fact, there is a purgatory that 98% of the teams in college football must live in before going to heaven. We can't all be Ohio St. and USC my dear.
by fugimaster24 on
Dec 18, 2007 4:49 PM EST
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The emperor has new clothes
by PSUNJ on Dec 18, 2007 1:12 PM EST 0 recs
Schiano
by Jen on Dec 18, 2007 3:03 PM EST 0 recs
Yeah but
There is no doubt he's recruiting well (for Rutgers), and I like his play calling. I would like to see what he can do when he doesn't have to worry about building a program and he can just focus on running one.
by BSD on
Dec 18, 2007 3:28 PM EST
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That's not my point at all
I am not 100% convinced that Schiano is a better choice than Bradley. Although my personal preference is I like the fact that Schiano left State College and made his own name. I like ambition in a head coach, I think for as great as our staff is, there is something wrong with an assistant coach that is happy being an assistant in perpetuity. I didn't like that about Fran Ganter or Jerry Sandusky either. I thought that if they wanted the job, they should have gone out at proved they could be a head coach then come back when Paterno left. That's just my opinion, and like I said, I'm not 100% convinced either.
by jesse. on Dec 18, 2007 3:18 PM EST 0 recs
I was actually hoping to get Rich Rod
by platnumkid on Dec 18, 2007 3:23 PM EST 0 recs
Another Coach
by wookieeman on
Dec 18, 2007 5:27 PM EST
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There is a good reason for that,
by jesse. on
Dec 18, 2007 5:36 PM EST
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This Is Pointless
#1, Paterno will coach as long as he is able. At this point, whats the differance between 81 and 86? Thats right, a debilitating illness or injury. Unless Joe suffers one of those two things, or a sharp decline in performance (I'm talking losing seasons here, not GASP! 8-4) he'll be here. Also, this talk of "rebuilding" seems rather overrated to me. Tony Hunt, M-Rob, and most of the 2005 guys were a lot less highly regarded entering their stints as starters than the likes of Royster, Devlin, Quarless, etc. I also think these guys we're "rebuilding" with are a lot better than some of the crap teams in the early 2000s that Joe stuck around to coach. I hardly think that "rebuilding" will drive him out. He can win with these players.
#2 Just because the plan of succession hasn't been announced to the blogging community yet doesn't mean that the administration doesn't have one in place. You don't know what has gone on behind closed doors. I hardly think that a university with a 110,000 seat stadium, 29 varsity sports, and one of the largest alumni booster clubs in America got there by being stupid. These people aren't dummies.
#3 I think people are puting a lot more into the lack of an extension than its worth. We've done things the Penn State way for 50 years, and its done us good. I hardly think changing that, and dumping Paterno before hes shown a clear decline (4-8 not 8-4) is craziness. JoePa will be back until something bad inevitably happens.
by fugimaster24 on Dec 18, 2007 5:07 PM EST 0 recs
It is pointless.
by platnumkid on
Dec 18, 2007 5:20 PM EST
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Huh?
To say we aren't nationally relevent is selling the program very short. People watch Penn State. You don't have to be 10-2 to be relevent nationally.
by fugimaster24 on
Dec 18, 2007 6:20 PM EST
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Making it on TV....
We all had high hopes for this team because we follow the team closely and seen the potential but what fan of another program was thinking "Oh and then there's PSU, they're always good and now look at all those starters they are bring back, I bet they'll be tough" Thats how it used to be, now we're an afterthought, or at best we get a tiny bit of respect half way through the season if we have a good record and enough other teams have lost.
by platnumkid on
Dec 18, 2007 8:04 PM EST
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We Are Not.........
Nobody besides Herbie had us picked to win the BIG 10 this year and I can't tell you how many times I listened to people on radio say "REALLY" or looked at him in shock when he would say he thought Penn State was going to surprise some people.
One BCS Bowl Appearance in 15 years......15 other teams in the country have more BCS appearances than we do....Stanford has as many BCS Bowl Appearances as we do. That isn't Nationally Relevant. Its funny......if we ARE nationally relevant its only because of the attention Paterno and his age bring to the program.....it certainly isn't because of the teams performance over the last 15 years.
Our signature wins since 1992 are what ? I just scanned back over our schedules for the last 15 years and I don't see any wins that would make anyone stand up and take notice. We have been an above average team for 15 years and I think the records bare that out.
Having said that, I am not saying boot Joe out the door, but it probably should be sooner rather than later. The longer this goes on the more your reputation suffers and the further away from being relevant we become in the minds of the media and recruits.
Also remember......we needed 7 interceptions and were outgained 3 to 1 in total offense the last time we won a NC in football, so I think the program is bigger in the minds of locals than in the minds of the rest of the country. But that is just my humble opinion.
by ech2os on
Dec 19, 2007 9:44 AM EST
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When did the BCS turn 15?
by PSU Nick on
Dec 19, 2007 10:06 AM EST
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Punched Them In The Mouth ?
What are the other holes ?
by ech2os on
Dec 19, 2007 10:48 AM EST
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Watch Michael Irvin short arm passes in that game
by PSU Nick on
Dec 19, 2007 11:06 AM EST
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Agreed......
by ech2os on
Dec 19, 2007 11:09 AM EST
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Technically
by jesse. on
Dec 19, 2007 10:20 AM EST
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Furthermore
From 1993 to 1999 Penn State had seventy Nationally Irrelevant Wins. Penn State has only won one BCS game in 15 years unless you count the Fiesta Bowl in 1996 and the Rose Bowl 1994. Penn State was not ranked number one at all during that period unless you count vast portions of the 1994, 1996 and 1999 seasons. Nobody off of those teams ever got drafted, or had a decent career in the NFL.
Penn State was not elected National Champions in 1994, so that undefeated season is irrelevant, but one loss SEC teams that do win that vote are proof that Penn State is non-factor on the national scene.
Whatever, lets take up a collection and tear down Beaver Stadium, we can all become Georgia fans. Go Dawgs!
by jesse. on
Dec 19, 2007 10:42 AM EST
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I'm Not A Dawg Fan.......
1994 and 1999......hmm.......1999 is almost 10 years ago. Sr's coming out right now were 8. I don't think they really care about what happened when they were in 2nd grade.
You're right.....I forgot about The Rose Bowl where Number 2 ranked PSU beat Number 12 ranked Oregon and the Fiesta Bowl when number 7 ranked PSU beat number 20 ranked Texas.......almost as impressive as in 2005 when number 3 ranked PSU beat number 23 ranked FSU. Sorry....those aren't signature wins in my book. What is PSU record against the top 20 again in the last 15 years ? It isn't good.
Look......I am simply suggesting that Penn State isn't as high on everybody's list outside of PA and the facts in my last two posts are an attempt to communicate why. I love PSU, but I am not delusional.
by ech2os on
Dec 19, 2007 11:06 AM EST
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relevancy is relative
The whole world's love child LSU went 4-7 in 1998 and 3-8 in 1999. Sound familiar at all? Historically, they stink about as often as they are good, for god's sake they employed Gerry DiNardo.
USC and Pete Carroll Super Genius went 5-7 and 6-6 in 2000 and 2001, and he is still trying to get his second undefeated season. USC also had some sub five win seasons in the 1990's and they never stopped being nationally relevant.
Is Alabama nationally relevant? I would say so, despite the fact that since the NCAA cut the nuts off their program for a systemic pattern of cheating that reaches back to Bear Bryant, they have been mediocre at best.
What about Ohio State and Michigan from 1970-1994? Zero undefeated seasons and zero national titles between them during that time (only two between them since). Did they stop being nationally relevant?
To focus on one bad period exclusively and say that Penn State is no longer nationally relevant is just demonstrably incorrect. Further, I am not delusional, I see the fact that Paterno is 81, and have argued, at length, for a reasonable succession plan. But to say, or even to really insinuate, that the program is in shambles, and is no longer relevant is wrong.
Is Penn State a top ten program right now? No. Is it a top twenty program? Yes, it is. The facilities, history/tradition, recruiting base and fan support are all present in sufficient supply to get Penn State back into the top 1% of football programs.
by jesse. on
Dec 19, 2007 12:03 PM EST
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I agree
by PSU86 on
Dec 19, 2007 12:20 PM EST
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Optimistic is one thing
by jesse. on
Dec 19, 2007 12:36 PM EST
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oops
by PSU86 on
Dec 19, 2007 12:50 PM EST
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Hey Look!
http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/2005/1128.html
http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/1999/0816.html
http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/1997/0825.html
http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/1994/1024.html
Go Dawgs!
by jesse. on
Dec 19, 2007 10:50 AM EST
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Agreed
by BSD on
Dec 19, 2007 11:03 AM EST
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I Agree Too.....
To think we are as relevant now as we were in the 90s, I think, is inaccurate.
by ech2os on
Dec 19, 2007 11:07 AM EST
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You were making the argument that
by PSU Nick on
Dec 19, 2007 11:14 AM EST
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maybe pointless
[2] Of course there is a plan, but is Paterno's plan? Paterno's plan is more of the same and extensions for everyone, this is a plan that is clearly not in place, at least yet.
[3] Not enough is being made out of the lack of extensions. If they extend Paterno, Bradley, Johnson, etc. it was a critical mistake not to do so months ago. If these are our guys, what are we waiting on? The only logical explanation is that they are waiting on something else.
In other news reports have Terrell Pryor taking Penn State of his possible list of schools;
http://blog.pennlive.com/pasports/2007/12/cant_catch_a_big_fish.html
by jesse. on
Dec 18, 2007 5:39 PM EST
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That report is inaccurate.
by Run Up The Score on
Dec 18, 2007 6:13 PM EST
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I know it's going to sound like I
by Ab4PSU on Dec 19, 2007 3:02 PM EST 0 recs













