The Paterno Dilema
Along with the rest of you I've been thinking about how Joe Paterno and the administration should go about making a smooth coaching transition. I don't know what the right answer is, but I figure there are several different scenarios to choose from. Let's take a look at them.
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Prior to the 2005 season Alvarez announced he was going to be stepping down as the head coach at Wisconsin. He named Brett Bielema as his successor at that time and coached out 2005 as his final year.
The Pros - Program stability. Assistant coaches were retained. Recruits were clear in what to expect. The result was a 12-1 record in 2006 and a 9-3 record so far in 2007.
The Cons - The candidate for successor has to be a current member of the staff or someone currently ousted from a coaching role. You take a risk of long time assistants leaving when they realize they will not get the job they have been holding out for.
How This Would Work at Penn State - It would make sense for Paterno to declare 2008 to be his last season after the bowl game since his contract runs out after the 2008 season. The most likely member of the current staff would be Tom Bradley. He's been on the staff for 27 years and he has been the defensive coordinator since 2000. When Joe was injured in 2006 it was Bradley who took over the head coaching duties during the games.
This seemed to work well for Wisconsin and I think it would work well for Penn State.
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Last week Florida State gave Bowden a one year contract extension through 2008 and restructured offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher's contract to make him a very rich man if he is not named the next Florida State head coach.
The Pros - Again, program stability. Assistant coaches, players, and recruits know what to expect.
The Cons - Like the Alvarez solution, the successor has to be named from the current staff. Other assistants hoping for a chance at the head coaching job may be tempted to leave to look for other opportunities.
How This Would Work At Penn State - Curley would have to grant Joe a series of one year contract extension starting in 2009. Then he would have to select a successor, again likely Bradley, and agree to pay them handsomely if they are not appointed the next Penn State head coach.
The jury is still out on this plan at Florida State. What if Bowden decides to coach another five, six, or seven years? Is it fair to Fisher to make him wait around like that? This is assuming Bowden will be granted more extensions after 2008.
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Last spring Carr had his contract restructured to give him an out to be paid as an administrative employee after the 2007 season. He then had the contracts of his assistants restructured into guaranteed two year deals.
The Pros - Carr went to bat for his assistants and got them money. His loyalty to them was rewarded in his staff sticking around for his final season. Now anyone not retained by Rodriguez will get a nice fat bonus check and likely find another coaching job very quickly.
The Cons - There was a period of uncertainty that lasted a few weeks after Carr announced his retirement after the Ohio State game. Athletic director Bill Martin looked like a bumbling fool at times. Some recruits decommitted and others decided to start looking around.
How This Would Work At Penn State - Nothing need be done to Paterno's current contract. It's due to run out after the 2008 season. Just quietly let it run out and announce before the bowl game in 2008 that this is it. But the contracts of the assistants need to be redone right away. Give them all two year deals of guaranteed money if they stick around. The pay day at the end will keep the staff together so we can be competitive in 2008.
The Status Quo Solution
Give Joe a four year contract extension through 2012.
The Pros - Speculation of Joe quitting or getting forced out after the 2008 season ends. Program stability is maintained.
The Cons - Longtime assistants get tired of waiting around. Joe's age and inability to travel continue to hurt recruiting.
How This Would Work At Penn State - You're effectively kicking the can down the road and saying we'll deal with it four or five years from now. As if the decision will be easier at that time.
The Emperor For Life Solution (a.k.a. - The Charlie Weis Solution)
Give Paterno a lifetime contract and let him coach as long as he wants.
The Pros - The uncertainty regarding post-2008 is lessened. Paterno can say he intends to coach one, three, five years and end any discussion regarding his future. Until Paterno announces when his last game will be recruits can assume he will be around for a while.
The Cons - Long time assistants will likely jump ship. There is no sign that the old man wants to call it quits anytime soon. Assistants hoping take over and other assistants hoping to fill the resulting power vacuum will get tired of waiting around.
How This Would Work At Penn State - I'm not crazy about it. Half of the fan base is on the verge of revolution when you start discussing contract extensions for Paterno. I think giving Paterno a lifetime contract would be too much like maintaining the status quo.
Conclusion
Some of you may take issue with me saying Bradley is the most likely assistant to take over from the current staff. Whatever. The intent of the post is to discuss possible succession plans regardless of who the successor will be. We can discuss candidates at another time. Something tells me in a couple weeks we'll be dying for something football related to talk about.
If I had my choice, I would go with the Lloyd Carr solution. Let everyone know 2008 will be Joe's last year. Then pay the assistants handsomely to stick it out. Promise them the opportunity to interview for the job or any other jobs the incoming coach is looking to fill. I'm not crazy about the Alvarez or Bowden solution only because I would like to see Curley go outside the program and at least interview some people. Who knows who might be out there interested in the job. You'll never catch the big fish if you don't throw the bait in the water.
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The Paterno Dilemma
Great analysis. I also agree with the Carr solution, but the best we can hope for is the Alvarez solution. Joe has too much say in his successor and he will not want someone from outside the program who won't guarantee Jay a job.
Unless the boosters get really upset, Status Quo is the result.
by DocP on Dec 19, 2007 7:20 AM EST 0 recs
paterno
by PSU86 on Dec 19, 2007 9:12 AM EST 0 recs
The difference is
[2] In 2004 somebody asked me if I wanted Paterno to leave, my response was "Hell no, I want Paterno back the way he was". Getting him back (in a sense) in 2005 was a miracle, a literal 20 to 1 shot. My sense now is that we are pushing our luck. If Joe walked away now, or even after a successful 2008, you could say that the reclamation from the dark times was his last major accomplishment.
[3] The perception that that we could lose the opportunity to hire one or both of the perceived leading candidates if we don't act quickly.
by jesse. on
Dec 19, 2007 9:37 AM EST
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IMO
Now if Bradley leaves, that's different, but to be honest I don't see it happening. He is maybe 5 or 6 on their list. While it might be a good gig for him by most accounts he is more a PSU guy than a coach...if he wasn't he would have left 5 or 6 years ago. The interesting thing about him leaving is that it means he doesn't think he's getting the PSU job in 2009, so in that sense I think it is a bit of a problem.
But what if he is just interviewing as a tactic, to maybe up his takeover offer from PSU a couple $100k? "WVU offered me $1.8..." and so on.
Joe is old, and he has to compete every single year with, maybe outside of USC, is the very best and most consistant program in the nation in OSU...not only that but we share borders so they come to PA to recruit. They get more attention from ESPN, they get more love from the B10, their staff is strong and they win, a lot. The only thing that really settles down the FireJoe comments seems to be a Big10 championship, which would not be an easy task for anyone, not Les or Saban or Pete.
In summary, i think we just need to make sure Jay doesn't get the job. That is it, we can recover from anything else. I really think that.
by Big 11th on Dec 19, 2007 11:10 AM EST 0 recs
Agreed
by PSU Nick on
Dec 19, 2007 11:20 AM EST
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What dies it say
by jesse. on
Dec 19, 2007 1:08 PM EST
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It says
by PSU Nick on
Dec 19, 2007 2:05 PM EST
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The X factor is
by Joe 96alum on Dec 19, 2007 12:59 PM EST 0 recs
The one thing that I know for certain
My opinion is that there are quite a few men out there who would like to be head coach at Penn State - Whether they attended PSU, or grew up near Central PA or they admire Coach Paterno or they really like the way they look in navy blue - it's going to be a coveted job. In theory. In reality, the PSU Admin and/or Paterno Legacy could sour the pot - pretty quickly.
by PSUgirl on Dec 19, 2007 1:11 PM EST 0 recs
bradley
This is a good point but I'm not sure it's totally fair. Different people would fit better at different places. WVU lost a high profile guy, they want one back. They are used to a very exciting offense, that is how they made it to the top 10 the last couple of years...a guy like Bradley doesn't appear to prolong this.
On the flip side, Bradley fits at PSU. He founded LB U, he does well recruiting defensive players, especially in state. He knows exactly what the fans expect, and he has shown how loyal he is to the program (something most coaches cannot say about their school), these things don't all translate to WVU, that's all.
by Big 11th on Dec 19, 2007 1:49 PM EST 0 recs
None of the Above
I am not convinced that the next HC will come from within and I don't think the next HC should be stuck with the existing coaching staff. He may want to retain some but it should be his choice. If the HC comes from within then all the coaches that want to stay will be retained.
As evident in the past few years about the only thing a coach's contract is good for is toilet paper.
Question: Do non HC coaches contacts run concurrent to the head coaches contract? Are they under contract to the head coach or the university?
by ageing lion on Dec 19, 2007 1:54 PM EST 0 recs
Just a question to throw out
by nittanyroar on Dec 19, 2007 2:02 PM EST 0 recs
Jay
The people who think Joe is holding out so Jay can take over are listening too much to the wacky fringe of the program. They all need to take a step back from the ledge cuz it ain't going to happen.
by BSD on
Dec 19, 2007 2:23 PM EST
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I wasn't talking about
by nittanyroar on
Dec 19, 2007 10:36 PM EST
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Not forced
by ageing lion on
Dec 19, 2007 2:25 PM EST
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I would hope that the
by Ab4PSU on
Dec 19, 2007 2:55 PM EST
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Keep Him
Now, I don't think finding the next Penn State coach should have any bearing on Joe's status. Good guys spring up every year, so theres no reason to worry. Penn State will be able to hire whoever they want. Now, as for Bradley, I honestly think he'll stick it out, no matter how long he has to do it. 27 years is a long time, and I have a hard time seeing him walk away without clear indication that he isnt the successor. If he leaves, owell, we can rebound from that.
by fugimaster24 on Dec 19, 2007 3:28 PM EST 0 recs
next coach
Give TB a shot for 3 years and evaluate, if he stinks go outside the program. Problem is many better qualified people would love the PSU job, guys w/ HC experince like Golden, Schiano, Ferentz, etc. These guys are proven winners w/ the excepion of GOlden but he coaches at Temple and TB is a good coach/recruiter but his D fails to come up big in major games this decade, so maybe he is not that great.
by SweepTheLeg on Dec 19, 2007 4:16 PM EST 0 recs
So
He isn't a proven winner. Joe Paterno is a proven winner. If you're going to run him out to get Greg Schiano in there, yer nuts.
by fugimaster24 on
Dec 19, 2007 10:05 PM EST
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I'm all for Golden
by Ab4PSU on
Dec 20, 2007 12:11 PM EST
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Mediocre?
by BSD on
Dec 20, 2007 2:38 PM EST
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I guess it's a matter
by Ab4PSU on
Dec 20, 2007 2:47 PM EST
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Huh?
He is a proven winner against team they should beat, the only big win I can recall is OSU in 2005.
I like Joe and think he is a good man, but hasn't won a national championship since 86 (screwed in 94') but I would live to know how many of the 300+ wins came against traditional BAD teams like Temple, Rutgers, Pitt, WVU, and other scrub teams in the 70's/80's/90's.
Also, not saying Schiano is the next Lombardi but he has experience, good recruiter (that can actually travel to meet big time players), and is about 35 years younger than Joe and probably won't die in the next few years or shit himself on the sidelines.
Don't be an asshat and not think PSU should be looking towards the future, GS/Golden/Vandy/Bradley etc should get a sniff and something needs to be done after the bowl game.
by SweepTheLeg on
Dec 21, 2007 12:41 PM EST
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Watch it
by BSD on
Dec 21, 2007 1:26 PM EST
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sorry mike...
by SweepTheLeg on
Dec 21, 2007 1:39 PM EST
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What the hell do I know!
Basically, who can change anything? I don't want Spanier to kick him out before he's (Joe) decided to go and I'm sure Joe would not want to leave disorder. I think we're getting all bent out of shape for no good reason. When he's ready to go, there will be a plan in place.
My hope is that he'll leave with more wins that Bowden!!
by BeerPin on Dec 19, 2007 5:54 PM EST 0 recs
Couldn't agree more
But we need better coaching then we are getting at the moment. We aren't getting the amazing recruits we used to. So we need to nurture the talent we do get better. I'm not saying it was the coaches fault that 5stars have been busts some times the ratings are just wrong. But Poz was a 20th LB coming out of HS, Sean Lee was 3 stars, Scirrotto was only 2. When was the last time we had offensive players with that kind of growth?
by platnumkid on
Dec 20, 2007 9:59 AM EST
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Offense
by BSD on
Dec 20, 2007 10:30 AM EST
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1 out of 3
by loyalopposition on
Dec 24, 2007 7:30 AM EST
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"Joe's [...] inability to travel"
http://tinyurl.com/2pm9jx
since their 1992 loss in Provo they've rarely strayed far from the front porch. below is the entire list of away non-conf games since Big11Ten play began in 1993.
1993 (10-2) W @ Maryland
1994 (12-0) W @ Temple
1995 ( 9- 3) W @ Rutgers
1996 (11-2) W v USC @ Meadowlands NJ
1997 ( 9- 3) W @ Louisville
1998 ( 9- 3) W @ Pitt
1999 (10-3) W @ Miami
2000 ( 5- 7) L @ Pitt
2001 ( 5- 6) L @ Virginia
2002 ( 9- 4) - - - NONE
2003 ( 3- 9) L @ Nebraska
2004 ( 4- 7) L @ Boston College
2005 (11-1) - - - NONE
2006 ( 9- 4) L @ Notre Dame
2007 ( 8- 4) W @ Temple
2008 ( TBD) - @ Syracuse
2009 ( TBD) - - - NONE SCHEDULED
2010 ( TBD) - @ Alabama
guess it takes an extra year to ramp up for those safari's to Lincoln, South Bend & Tuscaloosa. home & home w/Oregon State? unthinkable.
by loyalopposition on Dec 24, 2007 8:30 AM EST 0 recs











