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Penn State Apartment Fight Update

Yesterday the Centre Dailey Times gave an account of what happened on Saturday night.

Police said the "apartment assaults" shortly after midnight Sunday followed a "street confrontation" at High Street and East College Avenue, when a man walking with a woman on the sidewalk took offense at remarks directed at the woman from an approaching group of three men.

The man who was walking with the woman reacted both verbally and physically -- a "disorderly conduct," Fishel said.

"There was a confrontation, which kind of led to this ... which then led to trespass and assault," Fishel said.

One of the Penn State students who occupies the apartment and who hosted the party for about two dozen people said Tuesday that he had gone to a nearby store for supplies and was on his way back when he noticed people on the sidewalk pointing up to his apartment.

That student, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that a little while later "a few of them" came to his door and he told them they could not come in, but then 10 or more appeared and "pushed their way in" and the assaults began.

"I said, 'Leave, leave, leave,' " he said. "They just walked right in. They were pushing people out of the way. These guys were huge."

He said five people in the apartment were struck, and about five of the group of 10 or more were involved in the altercation. "Some were just like in the doorway," he said. "Some were holding people back."

"I was being held back in the hallway by some dude who was huge," said the apartment occupant, who is 6 feet 2 inches tall and weighs 175 pounds.

He said "two kids" seated on stools at the bar in the apartment's main room "got the worst of it." One was struck on the head with a bottle, he said, and another got a swollen, black-and-blue eye. He said the young man struck in the head with a bottle went to the hospital.

Another person was kicked in the head as he lay "in the fetal position" on the floor, and two others were punched in the face. He said the intrusion lasted "like three minutes" and then the intruders departed.

Thus far no charges have been filed, though police say the investigation may last up to two weeks. In another odd turn, apparently someone has slipped an anonymous note under the door of the said apartment urging the residents to drop the charges.

"I want you to realize that you have the power now to press charges or to drop them," the letter says. "Legally, the ball is in your hands. However, you can be a hero in this situation and forgive the attackers for what they have done."

The letter adds: "I am sure that the coaches want to know exactly what happened and it would be good for all of you to discuss everything so that any ambiguity is washed out. Then the coaches will be able to punish the actors accordingly. There is contact information at the bottom of this page for Tim Curley, the athletic director. He would be able to set up a meeting of this sort if you would like."

I think everyone is eager to see this situation resolved as soon as possible. Unfortunately I think the police and district attorney are going to take their time and make sure they sort out all the details. I still believe this will have a minor impact on the team when it's all said and done. I imagine if the players involved have clean records they will drop the felony burglary charges and plead guilty to the assualt charges. They'll have to wear an orange vest and pick up some trash along the highway every Sunday morning for a month or two. But that will be nothing compared to what Paterno is going to do to them. Practice is going to be hell going forward and you can bet he's going to want to know where they are every minute of the day. I believe some of them will sit out just one game. The major players in the incident may get two or three. It's certainly not the first time a football player got in a fight, and I'm sure it won't be the last either.

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What Happened To Penn State ?
I used to be able to hang my hat on the program not being in the news for this kind of behavior.  It bothers me to no end that I can no longer do that.  Its a shame.  I can't very well call FSU the Criminoles when my own team has a bunch of meatheads pulling the same  kind of crap.  And we aren't even that good anymore.  I have come down from my Ivory Tower as a PSU fan over the last 10 years.  My boss is an obnoxious Florida fan.........a bit redundant I know.......but hey....as least the players he has getting in fights are winning National Championships.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Apr 6, 2007 1:10 PM EDT   0 recs

Oh God!
Yeah PSU isn't "good" anymore and they are thugs.

When did they let the nutballs out of the message boards and onto blogs?

by Galen on Apr 6, 2007 3:34 PM EDT   0 recs

Let's Keep This Sophisticated
You are living in fantasy land if you think the rest of the country fears PSU anymore.  I love Penn State, but living in the south you pay attention a little more to college football and I'll tell you what......I have seen PSU players in the news over the last 5 years just as often as FSU players.  I used to be able to look UF and FSU and Miami fans in the face and laugh.  Not anymore.  In case you have selective perception.....here are a few instances of our proud program in action:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/16/AR2007011600618.html

I am sure that guy turned psycho after he was recruited.

http://www.fanblogs.com/penn_state/005004.php

Nice.

http://www.centralohio.com/ohiostate/stories/20030806/football/12081.html

Beautiful

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?id=1649060

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04237/366543.stm

Classic.

Point is this....I am a huge Penn State fan.....but I have come to the realization that they are no different than any other program when it comes to players getting in trouble.  Maybe they graduate......but even Paterno laughs when asked about this stating that "hey......let's not act like they are all getting Electrical Engineering degrees".  I think its great that they had a pretty strong showing last year and they had a nice season the year before.........even though the supposed number 3 team in the country needed 3 OT's to beat the number 24 team in the country.  

Reading the "Lion In Autumn" helped me temper my zeal for PSU.  I love Paterno and I love PSU and I hope Morelli sees things just slowing down just a split second this year......would make all the difference in the world and I think we could be in the mix, escpecially with burners at wide out and two huge studs at TE.  But at the end of the day......if PSU is going to be like UGA and FSU and have guys getting arrested and suspended and under suspicion of this and that....then a lot of the luster is gone.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Apr 6, 2007 11:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sophisticated?!!
Yeah I need more sophistication like calling "my own team...a bunch of meatheads" and saying absolutely retarded comments like "we aren't even that good anymore."  Go back to the message boards and make your generally obnoxious comments to those that care.  Perhaps you could use the same revisionists history that generalists like yourself use... you could start by saying "Paterno was never really that good it was his assistants" and things of that nature.  Or one of my favorites, "the Grand Experiment doesn't work."  Feel free to make some up in your spare time.

by Galen on Apr 7, 2007 10:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Where the hell did this guy go to school?
Penn State has never been a team of angels. Go back and look at some Millen-era stories. Wait until all the FACTS are presented before making any judgements.

by PSU Nick on Apr 6, 2007 4:00 PM EDT   0 recs

Remember the Rashard Casey incident?
Look how that "thug" story turned out

by PSU Nick on Apr 6, 2007 4:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

None
Unfortunately, the court of public perception doesn't wait for the "FACTS" to come in.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on Apr 6, 2007 11:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Balogna
The appartment kids made this all up. If they press charges i will mess them up.

by Crispin3 on Apr 6, 2007 8:50 PM EDT   0 recs

It's not the fact...
...that PSU players sometimes get in trouble.  On the whole the PSU program seems to have less of these instances than other big time college programs, and IMO, deals with any problems that surface in a very responsible manner.  It's the attitude of PSU fans that Penn State somehow is above all this.  One of the favorite sayings of PSU fans when things go south is "They are not PSU type players". We hear it again and again (lately with Logan-El). But, the fact that the coaching staff and the Head Coach clearly wanted the players that get in trouble, or leave the team for whatever reason, to sign with Penn State is conveniently overlooked.

A dose of reality here is in order.  PSU has had, and will continue to have, the same problems as everyone else - most likely less - but it will happen. Let's not be "shocked" that this instance has occurred. But in the matter of fairness, I'll hold off judgment regarding the situation until all the facts are in and made public, and the Administration has done it's duty if warranted.

by Reed on Apr 7, 2007 7:31 AM EDT   0 recs

Good Point
I think Reed hit on a good point. Things like this have always gone on at PSU. It's just different now with the media it actually gets noticed. Back in the day the local police just called Paterno and said, "Come get your boys." Now they call the press.

The difference with PSU is how they handle these situations. Getting in a fight might cause these kids to sit out a season. At other schools they might just miss one game or run some extra laps, like the Miami-FIU fight last year.

Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on Apr 7, 2007 10:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

More trouble coming soon...
And it's not fight-related.
-- RUTS! http://runupthescore.blogspot.com

by Run Up The Score on Apr 7, 2007 3:03 PM EDT   0 recs

I hate teasers
I saw some rumor about a DE getting dropped to the bottom of the depth chart. Guess we'll have to see what happens there.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on Apr 7, 2007 3:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, some guy on my site
...said it looks pretty bad.  He called it "Chisley-esque", but I don't believe it could possibly be that bad.  One of the FOS mods said it was "an internal matter".

Seems to be Gaines, by the way.  Evans and Maybin are currently penciled in to be the starting DE's.

-- RUTS! http://runupthescore.blogspot.com

by Run Up The Score on Apr 7, 2007 4:51 PM EDT   0 recs

yeesh
"Chisley-esque"?

I knew that dude. He was just straight up insane. I hope there aren't any current players as insane as he is. As for Evans and Maybin starting, wasn't that the plan for the future anyway?

by kmblue on Apr 7, 2007 8:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Chisley-esque....
....means murder. I sure hope that would be more than an 'internal matter' (or Paterno holds more power in PA than anyone ever gave him credit for). I'll bet someone went off on another player off the field - that would qualify for an 'internal matter' especially if the guy that got the worse of it keeps it inhouse.

by Reed on Apr 8, 2007 3:35 AM EDT   0 recs

Yeah, it seems an over-the-top description
I bet you're on the right track, Reed.
-- RUTS! http://runupthescore.blogspot.com

by Run Up The Score on Apr 8, 2007 11:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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