Big Ten Expansion?
It's been almost a decade since the Big Ten made a push to persuade Notre Dame to join the conference. With the new Big Ten Channel about to launch, Jim Delany is back to thinking about expansion again to get his new network on television in some new markets. This time it sounds serious.
"I think we need to look at it in the next year," he said during a wide-ranging interview with Register reporters.
Adding a 12th team likely will be revisited because of the network, which is scheduled to launch Aug. 30, Delany said. An additional big-name university in a large television market means more exposure for the network and its sponsors.
"It changes to some extent how you think about it," Delany said of expansion. "The broader (the network) is distributed, the more value (expansion) has.
"We have eight states. With expansion, you could have nine."
Then in a statement that wreaks of an off-the-record suggestion, the Des Moines Register drops the bombshell that will fuel the speculation.
These aren't terrible choices. I mean, they're better than Temple or Akron, but they wouldn't be my first choices. For the record, here are my choices in order.
1. Notre Dame - The Big Ten needs to make another push to bring the Fighting Irish into the conference. It's a no brainer for the Big Ten. Bringing in a high profile team like the Irish would instantly elevate the entire conference to a whole new level. And their acedemics, which is a very big deal in the Big Ten, would fit in perfectly.
Now before you Notre Dame fans scoff and click the back button consider a few things. The deal with NBC runs out in 2010 and there is no guarantee the network television cash cow will be around forever. NBC runs a business and they are all about making money. With NFL, NBA, and NASCAR television contracts going up Notre Dame is one budget cut away from losing their position as the Haliburton of college football. If NBC has to choose between keeping the NFL and NBA or keeping Notre Dame, I would not feel comfortable about that if I were the Irish.
Currently Notre Dame gets $9 million per year from NBC for the rights to broadcast their home football games. I've seen projections that the Big Ten Network will bring in $5-$7 Million for each school's athletic department. Adding Notre Dame would bring in the type of national exposure the Network needs to convince Comcast to put it on the basic cable plan. This would mean the projected revenue would be closer to the $7 million or higher. Add to this the security of the bowl game revenue sharing and it makes sense financially for Notre Dame to join the conference. Losing the NBC deal and failure to make a BCS bowl will certainly mean disaster for their entire athletic program.
The Big Ten should approach Notre Dame first and Notre Dame would be wise to consider it. It may be now or never for the Irish. If the Big Ten adds another school they will most likely not come around asking again.
2. Pitt - This isn't the smartest choice for the Big Ten, but then this is my wish list. For all the crap I give Pitt around here, I want to see this rivalry played every year. Everyone does. Adding Pitt makes that happen.
But this doesn't jive with Delany's wish to expand the market for his new network. If it's true he has an eye on the New York market, Pitt isn't going to work.
3. Rutgers - If we can't get Pitt, the Scarlet Knights would provide instant rival material for the Nittany Lions. It could be a pretty one sided rival, especially if Greg Schiano left the program for another job and they went back to their losing ways. But geographically it would be a natural fit for Penn State. The big advantage for the conference adding Rutgers would be expansion into the New Jersey and New York markets, which I'm not so sure about. New York is a professional town. Not a college town. While New Jersey would be a great recruiting ground for the conference, New York and New England are traditionally not high on talent.
4. Syracuse - Would basically serve the same purpose as Rutgers from the Penn State point of view. While Syracuse has a much better tradition than Rutgers, they aren't the sexy pick right now. Rutgers is an up and coming program while Syracuse has struggled in recent years. Plus the Carrier Dome is just antiquated and boring.
Longshots - West Virginia and Louisville. Each would help branch the Big Ten into a new state, and West Virginia would serve as a decent PSU rival. But the markets there are small and not exactly what Delany is looking for with his new network.
Should be fun to follow and debate over the next year.
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Notre Dame
Well now, there are 4 nonconference games, so ND could still get their 3 service academies AND USC, who's possibly their biggest rival. The only thing that stands in the way is that it just makes too much sense...oh, and the fact that ND is just too traditional (i.e. money grubbing). Well there ya have it, the answer is right there, even though we all know it will never come to fruition.
by Cpiritual27 on Jul 26, 2007 11:30 PM EDT 0 recs
Should Notre Dame join the Big Ten??????
Penn State fans may argue that Notre Dame should join the Big Ten as it is in the best interest of football. And yet those same fans will argue from the other side of their face against renewing the Pitt rivalry with the comment that "Pitt needs Penn State more than Penn State needs Pitt". Well gentlemen, at this point the Big Ten wants Notre Dame more than Notre Dame wants the Big Ten. From my perspective, until that changes the Fightin' Irish will remain independent.
by Jerry on
Jul 27, 2007 9:40 AM EDT
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Notre Dame
by BSD on
Jul 27, 2007 10:11 AM EDT
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ND and NBC
Put it this way, if they stuck with us during the Davies and Ty years, then they will definitely stick with us for Charlie and his gang.
I, selfishly, would love to see ND in the Big Ten, but again, I just don't see it happening.
by Jerry on
Jul 27, 2007 10:21 AM EDT
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ND Football
On the flip side, joining a conference could boost ND's other athletic programs to a new level much like joining the Big Ten did for Penn State (sans men's basketball). It gives security in funding and scheduling these programs would not otherwise have. PSU had a proud independent tradition before joining the B10. Many PSU fans opposed giving that up, but now I bet 99% of the fan base wouldn't give up our B10 status for the world.
That's why I think ND has to look at the big picture when the Big Ten comes knocking again.
by BSD on
Jul 27, 2007 10:30 AM EDT
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ND Football
I hear you, but I am certain that the ND Administration has evaluated and continue to access these scenarios. The other sports competing via affiliation with the Big East are doing pretty well.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but funds from NBC and BCS bowls go into the University's general fund and do not fund athletics. So, ha-ha, I guess the risk we run is that tuitions may sky-rocket should we lose our NBC contract.
by Jerry on
Jul 27, 2007 10:39 AM EDT
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Wish List
by psuphiman80 on Jul 26, 2007 11:33 PM EDT 0 recs
This Is Far Out But...
If ND shuts us down, no matter, replace them with WVU and effectively crush the Big East. That frees up more BCS births for the Boise States of the world and perhaps a 3rd for the Big 10 or SEC.
Ahhhh...yes that was a good power trip.
O and just for kicks, with the mounds of money we'd be sitting on, we build a Big 10 Championship City somewhere in the middle of Indiana with a 200,000 seat stadium for the Championship game, and the rest of the outdoor sports, and a state or the art arena for indoor sports.
O yeah, and maybe build an academic campiu where all the schools can send students to share ideas, etc..blah, blah, blah.
Anyone wonder why we get the delusionel tag? Its so unfair!
by fugimaster24 on Jul 27, 2007 1:16 AM EDT 0 recs
O and
by fugimaster24 on Jul 27, 2007 1:16 AM EDT 0 recs
Division Structure?
by rctbone2009 on Jul 27, 2007 9:44 AM EDT 0 recs
Conference Split
I think they will keep the conference whole and add a 9th regular season game to the schedule.
by BSD on
Jul 27, 2007 10:04 AM EDT
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ND in Big Ten...
September 8th can't come soon enough.
by Nick7 on Jul 27, 2007 9:49 AM EDT 0 recs
I'm not buying it....
Likewise, Notre Dame did not force the BCS to adopt the rules it did. The rules were made as ND is not affiliated with a conference and therefore an exception was made for their independent status. Should other independents have received the same exceptions? In my mind, sure. Likewise, why limit BCS berths to conference affiliation? Take the top rated BCS schools at year-end and give them the BCS bids. If the Big Ten has 6 top rated teams then congratulations, you all get BCS bids, if they have none then "too bad, so sad". The BCS is flawed, but it wasn't an arrangement that Notre Dame developed either.
I likewise can't wait for September 8. In all likelihood Penn State will avenge their 41-17 disappointment from last season, but regardless the Notre Dame faithful will be well represented and will proudly back their team while respecting their opponent.
by Jerry on
Jul 27, 2007 10:08 AM EDT
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Protected Rivalries?
No offense intended to Spartan fans, who I assume hate this rivalry as much as I do.
Adam Wolbach
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Computer Science Department
Carnegie Mellon University
by awolbach on Jul 27, 2007 1:33 PM EDT 0 recs
Notre Dame will never join the Big Ten
Notre Dame will never join the Big Ten and it has nothing to do with athletics. Northwestern is the biggest stem-cell research university in the nation along with the University of Chicago, which is an academic member of the Big Ten.
In order to join the Big Ten, a school must agree to research funding sharing.
Tell me what Catholic School will divide research dollars for Stem Cell research...
Notre Dame will never join the Big Ten, period. They'll join the Big East in 2011.
by stonewall435 on Jul 27, 2007 3:13 PM EDT 0 recs
BC or St. Johns?
by ech2os on Jul 27, 2007 5:24 PM EDT 0 recs
Do those conferences...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Institutional_Cooperation
by stonewall435 on Jul 27, 2007 5:34 PM EDT 0 recs
I see the ACC has some sort of similar
However, it may not be as inclusive as the Big Ten's.
by stonewall435 on Jul 27, 2007 5:38 PM EDT 0 recs
Wow, you PSU guys seem somewhat intelligent...
by yander on Jul 27, 2007 6:42 PM EDT 0 recs
I was a bit surprised.........
by ech2os on
Jul 27, 2007 9:56 PM EDT
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Nobody's ever picked on Pitt for their academics
For football, how many of those Empty Yellow Seats would be filled if the opponents were Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin instead of Cincinnati, South Florida, and UConn? Hell, even if the stadium was packed with opposing fans (which it would be), the tickets are getting sold!
Of course, Pitt would get absolutely stomped on a weekly basis, but it would help their program in the long-term.
by Run Up The Score on Jul 29, 2007 11:07 AM EDT 0 recs
Nice........
For the record, I was admitted to Allegheny College, Case Western Reserve, and CMU (Carnegie Mellon, not Central Michigan) so I have a brain. The kids in my high school that went to Pitt weren't in the same GPA percentile as those that chose PSU Main. I always knew Pitt had great Medical, Dental, and Philosphy Graduate Schools, but never heard much buzz about their undergraduate. And based on my trips to Pitt to visit friends, I wasn't impressed, so I guess I was wrong.
by ech2os on
Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM EDT
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Don't forget about the State of Florida (USF)
by BunnyMack on Jul 30, 2007 6:19 PM EDT 0 recs








