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It's rare that you will ever see BSD get in a pissing contest with the traditional media, or the "mainstream media" as they like to call themselves. A sports writer has to say something pretty stupid to ruffle my feathers. But it does happen, like last night when sports writer Buzz Bissinger shouted down Will Leitch from Deadspin on HBO. (Warning: May not be suitable for work due to foul language)

When you can't even get your first point out before the person brought on the show to offer a counter point to yours interjects and says you are "full of shit", it's probably not going to be a fun night. To Will's credit, he handled it beautifully just being polite and letting the vulgar piece of trash make an ass of himself. How ironic it was to watch Bissinger accuse Leitch of being vulgar and vile while calling Leitch "full of shit" and saying blogging "really pisses the shit" out of him. Then he dropped this line.

I think blogs are dedicated to cruelty. They are dedicated to journalistic dishonesty. They are dedicated to speed.

As a blogger, this really offends me. Would anyone out there say BSD is "dedicated to cruelty" if we make a joke about Joe Paterno's age? Or what if we craft a photoshop of Joe Paterno running to the outhouse on the sideline? Is that cruel? Maybe it is cruel. But it's also damn funny, which is part of the reason why you all keep coming back here as well as visiting other blogs: to be entertained. We all come here to escape real life for a brief period of time. We come here to forget about our jobs, our nagging bosses, our overbooked social lives, and whatever other problems we may have. Sports are a perfect outlet for such escapes, and sports blogging is becoming the 21st century extension of sports. So while it may be cruel to make fun of Joe Paterno's bathroom habits, nobody takes it seriously. Joe Paterno was caught on live national television running across the field with the squirts. Do you really think he cares what we're saying about him on this piece of crap blog?

Bissinger then states that blogs are "dedicated to journalistic dishonesty". I take major exception to this. First of all, I have never considered myself to be a journalist. I have no desire to be a journalist. I'm not interested in breaking stories and "creating" news. I prefer to react to what I see and offer my opinions and analysis. I rarely get inside scoops, and the ones I get come from people I've never met before and have no reason to believe. So I almost never run those stories until I read them from a credible source. When I do reveal inside information I always quantify it with a "rumor" disclaimer. I'm never going to state something as fact unless I believe it to be 100% true. Never.

According to Bissinger, blogs are contributing to the "complete dumbing down of America". Wow. And here I was blaming American Idol. But don't snicker at me, dear reader. Bissinger is blaming you for this one. It's clearly evident from the Deadspin text he and Costas were quoting that they cannot and do not differentiate between bloggers and commenters. Feel free to rip me apart for anything I say on BSD, but don't attack me for what my readers say. It's rather infuriating when someone attacks your blog because a reader made a comment suggesting they would cheer for Hitler over an SEC team.

But this begs the question: as the administrator of this tube of the internest, if I do not rebuke the comment, erase it, and ban the author, am I accepting responsibility for it? Hell no. Freedom of speech is what makes blogging great. I can throw my opinions out there without fear of the government throwing me in jail. But I do have to fear the BSD readers. When I call Malcolm Jenkins a "fucking liar" you are quick to voice your displeasure in my choice of language by flooding my email box. When I trash the Big East conference I get flamed in email as well as the comments from the Pitt and Rutgers trolls. It comes with the territory and I've learned to let it roll off my back. I have to accept the fact there are millions of people surfing the internet, and more than a few of them are going to think I'm a moron. I'll take responsibility for the things I say, but I'll be damned if I'm going to take responsibility for something some asshole says in my comments section. That's on you.

The beauty of blogs, and Costas and Bissinger clearly don't get this, is that we're not newspapers. We are communities. We are a group of people sharing a common interest who need a place to meet and talk about it. The things you read and say here are no different from the things you would hear and say at a tailgate party. That's how I view BSD. I'm not interested in building the stat meter so I can generate ad revenue. All I wanted when I started blogging was a place I could voice my opinions and exchange ideas with people. Ask me if I would prefer to have 10,000 hits per day and 10 comments per post or 1000 hits per day and 100 comments per post and I'll take more comments every time. Each comment is like a little present to me. When I open up BSD and see 1 New next to the comments I can't wait to open it and read it. Though lately I must confess this community has grown large enough to the point I honestly don't have time to read all of them. I scan through them to make sure everything stays civil and there aren't any flame wars brewing, but it blows my mind to see some of these comment threads grow to 30, 40, or 50 comments. I couldn't be more proud of what you and I have built here, and I hope you're proud of it too.

So call Bissinger a douchebag or whatever. I'm tired of the whole media vs. blogger thing. Many bloggers I know overreact to these types of things. Any time a reporter writes something even remotely resembles something they wrote three years ago they cry plagiarism. It's a little over the top, but I do think bloggers deserve more respect than they're given. As Leitch says in the video, blogging is hard damn work. These posts don't research and write themselves. And the overwhelming majority of us are not getting paid to do it either. That is all. End of rant.

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Ridiculous
I saw this this today at Awful Announcing and the first thing I thought of was this...wasn't Brian at mgoblog the one who journalists were getting their info from about Carr's retirement and not giving the actual source of the information? Of course he was right and none (or most) of the MSM gave him credit at all.
Angelo

by nittanyroar on Apr 30, 2008 11:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sounds like...
bissinger got some sand in his dentures....i hear its not very hard to disconnect from the internet and not read. meh im not affected. i enjoy reading comments and getting information from like-minded individuals thanks mike for BSD
For the glory

by lionalum05 on Apr 30, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well said Mike,
It seems as if the older generations cannot grasp the concept of a blog.  Like you said, its supposed to be a community where people can voice their opinion on different events/happenings, not a place where people come for 100% fact/true news.  However, I must admit when there are quality blogs such as this out there, I find myself checking the psu blogs for any new psu sports info first, before a regular newspaper.  Why? because I know that what you put up will mostly likely be true (almost always with a link to prove it), plus I can read an instant analysis of the story, which is something I can't get with a regular newspaper.  You have every right to be pissed, I'd be the same way.  

oh, and as much as I hate Michigan, I gotta give it to Braylon Edwards.  He spoke very well.  He was clear, concise, and honest.  

Roar Lions Roar

by rmcmillen50 on Apr 30, 2008 11:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Braylon is confused
That being said, he needs to watch ESPN a little bit more because the mute button is clearly an element on Around The Horn and not PTI.

by phil18989 on May 1, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha
true, good point.  i forgot he messed that up.
Roar Lions Roar

by rmcmillen50 on May 1, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh
"So call Bissinger a douchebag or whatever."

Bissinger is a douchebag

by runngunn29 on May 1, 2008 12:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They have comments on regular newspaper sites
and the discussion generally devolves into the basest, most vitriolic arguments you could imagine. It doesn't take much sense to separate the article from the comments and when did TMZ become a sports blog? Why was it among the screenshots during the piece?

by PSU Nick on May 1, 2008 12:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This finally brought me of the sidelines...
I have been a reader here for over a year and just signed up as a commenter. You nailed the point exactly, its about community. Most of us can't walk down to Findlay Commons and profess to the kid we kind of know from ENGL 15 why the backup qb should start, like we could when we were freshman. Sports blogs try and recreate that. They are not meant to be read like a sports page in a newspaper, but experience like a debate in a sports bar, whether you take an active role or not. Even though I don't post on many sports blogs I still feel I know the people who write them. That is what people like Bissinger don't understand.

As a side note, you do a great job writing this blog and I have enjoyed it for a long time.

by VVeRPennState on May 1, 2008 12:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Buzz Kill
This was well done and well said!  I do my own blogging as well and I got into it for the same reason you did.  I did not see the Costas show as I should have and hope HBO runs it again.  There's a tremendous amount of great stuff out there, this site included and we should not be deterred from doing these things.  There should be some sort of national blogger's for us to unite, and least for one day, take over the entire day!

I love this site as an alum and college sports fan.  Keep up the good work!

Jared Prebish '92

by jaredprebish on May 1, 2008 5:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A reporter getting mad at bias?
I'm sure he has NO bias whatsoever... =/

by hasuprotoss on May 1, 2008 6:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Buzz
Let me start by saying I am huge Buzz Bissinger fan; his book "Prayer for the City" is hands down the greatest book I have ever read.  

On this show, he had decent point to make, but he really took it too far to an extreme to the point where he just sounded silly.  On some level he is right, that blogs are dumbed down and malicious (but his point would have been better served if he had inserted the word "most" in that statement).  I think Leitch's response was dead on when he essentially said "Yeah, sure, some are, but blogs that people actually go on are not that way, to be a serious blogger you have to be professional to get people coming back."

In fact, I would go so far as to say 90% of the blogs I check out arnt worth the 30 seconds it takes to browse them.  That said, I look at blogs like BSD, profootballtalk, bleedinggreen, and beerleaguer EVERYDAY because they are not only well written but are truly written with more passion and KNOWLEDGE than the local paper, written for the casual everyday fan.

In fact after being on this blog, BWI, talking to former players, or however most of us on here get our PSU info, most of us know more about the program, position battles, and recruiting than anyone at ESPN, Sports Illustrated, or a Newspaper could hope to.  

In reality, I think "real" writers (as they like to call themselves) get pissed off because they believe bloggers are simply taking information from them and either block quoting it or disseminating it on their own.  

The reason Leitch was right and Buzz was wrong is because of people like Mike.  

by psu legal lion on May 1, 2008 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Costas Now
Did anybody catch the rest of the show, i liked when Schilling was discussing modern day media (the journalist), he pretty much said that if the athletes today don't kiss the media's ass they will just take anything they say and attack the athlete.  This is coming from an athlete's point of view, and then Bissinger is saying bloggers are the problem.

When was the last time we picked up a newspaper or read on ESPN or SI anything positive or productive on a current issue within sport.  We don't, they are just as guilty as anybody else.  In today's fast paced world people feel more involved if they can in fact be apart of the news story or comment on the story, blogging is the best of both worlds. Most, blogs give credable information and then have relatively decent discussions regarding the issue at hand.

Bissinger just needs to realize he's in a business that is fading faster than my hair line.  Nobody is interested in reading a newspaper anymore, it's all about the interent, all access all the time.

by PSUfanSTUCKinSECland on May 1, 2008 9:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Media hypocrissy...
Blogs usually don't advertise themselves as news sources and I agree with Mike that their intention is entertainment. In general, I don't read the newspaper for entertainment but rather to be informed.

That said, the media is totally  hypocritical in the sense that they comb the blogs for material to use in their next interview, news article, tv segment, etc.

If you eliminated Blogs, the so-called "journalist" would be working a lot harder to generate stories.

by Artiefufkin on May 1, 2008 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This May Sound Naive........
but I really didn't think I would catch so much flack for the Hitler / SEC comment.  I was merely using the art of exageration to make a point.  The fact that somebody else used it as means to attack BSD or Big 10 fans or Me is an example of lazy thinking.  The guy at godawgsports knew exactly what I was doing, acknowledged it, but then continued to use it to criticize.  That's like somebody saying, "I am not saying you are fat, I'm just saying".  Somehow that whole "I'm just saying" is a way of telling somebody they are fat without suffering the repercussions of telling somebody they are fat.  Anyhow, of course I wouldn't root for Hitler over Buck Belue :)

Here is my theory on blogs......almost everybody has a computer.  People who wouldn't buy a newspaper buy computers.  So you have everybody from Harvard Grad on down to Trailer Park Zeke spending time reading the stuff on the internet.  The pro of the situation is that more people are reading a lot more.  The con is that people don't read very critically and are so overwhelmed with information they don't feel its possible or necessary or even up to them to confirm the accuracy of the information.  We have all rec'd emails from somebody we know about Baraq Obama or Bill Clinton or whomever that challenges us to click on the link to the snopes if we don't believe what we are reading.  If you click on it, you see that challenge was a bluff and that snopes has debunked 80% of what was written in the email.  Unfortunately, much like the NFL draft, everything has to be done yesterday.  Consequently, how "busy" everyone is provides the out people need to be responsible.  Its only a blog, or I don't have all day to find out the truth.  Its like a battle of he said she saids....one site says so and so is a rapist and another site says they aren't so who do you believe.  At the end of the day, the reader probably tends to believe whatever side of the story supports their "belief" and throws their hands up in the air.  Let's face it, unlike a major publication, bloggers are only responsible to whomever it is they want to be responsible.  That's not a knock.  As Mike has pointed out, there are some fine bloggers with tons of integrity, but I see where this guy in the Costas discussion is coming from.  Before computers, I would read my hometown newspaper.  Now I can read everyones hometown newspaper.  Now people who were never forced to think for themselves because they only had one avenue (local news and newspaper) for their information have unlimited avenues and most people don't know how to handle and/or process that information reliably.  JMHO.

Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.

by ech2os on May 1, 2008 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't sweat the comment
I know you were just joking around. Unfortunately in this PC world we live in people tend to blow things out of proportion to make a point.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on May 1, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who do they think they are anyway?
Prior to the OSU-FU championship, one sports "expert" after another reminded us time and again why FU essentially didn't deserve to be on the same field as OSU.  We know how that turned out.

Last year after App. State defeated Michigan, a writer (don't remember the name) on the msnbc.com sports site wrote an article about how Michigan should be ashamed for that loss.  The irony was, his argument for that shame was not so much that they loss the game, but because they loss the game as the number 5 ranked team in the nation.  Somehow it eluded him that Michigan did not declare themselves the number 5 team in the nation, they were ranked by the media as the number 5 team in the nation.  So somebody explain why every sportswriter in America wasn't ashamed for essentially exposing to every college football fan that they are essentially frauds.

As last season went on it got "wackier".  Why?  Because everytime the media brought someone to the top of the heap, they showed that they didn't really deserve to be there.  How did sportswriters respond to that?  They blamed the teams for being frauds.  Never mind that these guys cast the votes because they are "experts" on the game.  Never mind that there are the ones that, prior to a highly-ranked teams loss, they made a proclamation and then spent weeks writing puff articles essentially congratulating themselves for seeing all of the abilities those teams possessed because they are such students of the game that they have insights that none of the rest of us could possibly possess.  When it was shown that they had no clue what they were talking about, it wasn't their fault.

And at the end of the season, the whole mess that had become college football 2007 was a mess not because of how these voters couldn't see who was the best if they were bit in the ass by them.  It was because of all of the flaws of the BCS system.  No argument, determining college football's national champion leaves a lot to be desired.  But sportswriters, their voting and their "analysis" drives that system.  When it fails they have a lot of nerve to wash their hands of the problem and start to point fingers.  Naturally, they can't say the problem is the fact that their idiots, but to continuously defelct they continually deflect the blame.  Therein is why they lose their credibility, and then to make matters worse, they blame their loss of credibility on outside forces.

I think we should all send messages to the major sports outlets with an offer that would go something like this:

"I would like to offer my services to your organization as a(n) {insert your favorte sport here} analyst.  I am not an expert in this sport, nor do I have any crentials in this area to offer, however, based on the content I see consistently published by your outlet, that does not appear to be a qualification.

"If this offer would be of any interest to you, I would happily do it for half the salary you currently pay your highest-paid analysts.  It is my sincere hope that you are able to see this as the cost-reduction opportunity that it truly is, however I should point out that if at some point you want me to know what the hell I'm talking about . . . well that'll cost you extra."

by nitwit86 on May 1, 2008 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn
i need to learn how to spell

by nitwit86 on May 1, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was disappointed
in that section of the Costas piece. Good that they knew enough to include it, but the 'exploration' coverage/discussion they did of the blogosphere was juvenile. Not very Costasesque, if you ask me, but very reflective of Big Media's continuing failure to really move beyond their ignorance. Again, nice that it got a seat at the table (the rest of the media/athlete/modern sports analysis was well-done: I really liked the Sports Talk Radio coverage/discussion with Strahan), but next time, Bob, you gotta bring it better than this! Agreed Leitch did a fine job, in a poor situation juxtaposed with Angry Naive Old-school Journalist. Eh, it's only a matter of time, as with all things in life. The sheer numbers of voices in the blogosphere will continue to make themselves heard, in unique and important ways.

The job then falls to us to, together, keep our community clean and fun, and to make it a place continually worth visiting and hanging out in. And Mike's done a grand job as host (thanks for the tidbit about comments being little presents you're excited to open--fuel for our fire!) Keep up the good work, brother!

by jtothep on May 1, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Presents
Like a kid on Christmas morning I can't wait to read them. Unfortunately sometimes you get the nice red bicycle, and sometimes you get tube socks. But I never get tired of the sense of anticipation just before I click the mouse. It's like blogger crack.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries

Hail to the Lion!

by BSD on May 1, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blogger Crack
I love it! And, oh, the irony: I just experienced that sensation, hoping to see a reply to my comment, and I got one! My own little pressie. I can imagine it becoming like crack for you bloggers, when applied to our larger scale.

by jtothep on May 1, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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